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[Gurudaz]

* So where and when will these be available?

Can you post some pics of the stuff you have right now installed?

 

[Lazzer408]

There seems to be some intellectual property theft going on, and I know the "competitors" are watching this thread, so I'm a little reluctant to show off the internals until there's 100s of them sitting in my warehouse ready to sell. Most I could show you are the component cad models I've made.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

There seems to be some intellectual property theft going on, and I know the "competitors" are watching this thread, so I'm a little reluctant to show off the internals until there's 100s of them sitting in my warehouse ready to sell. Most I could show you are the component cad models I've made.

Dont post anything then, PM it to long time members that want to see it.

 

[Lazzer408]

Dont post anything then, PM it to long time members that want to see it.

W1zzard will get one of the 50 production samples for review. He better I hope he has nice things to say about it.

 

[Gurudaz]

There seems to be some intellectual property theft going on, and I know the "competitors" are watching this thread, so I'm a little reluctant to show off the internals until there's 100s of them sitting in my warehouse ready to sell. Most I could show you are the component cad models I've made.

When will they be made availlable? 2-3 months?

 

[Lazzer408]

It will definitely be in production by then but it's in the hands of other companies lead-times.

A month ago I thought I had drawings ready to go until I noticed the GPU was sticking .010" through the back of the PCIe socket. I drew the socket so I figured it was my error but I double checked and it was dead-on. Then I measured the GFX card and it was incorrect. I didn't draw the GFX card. Then I measured the other components that I didn't draw. They were all wrong. Some were larger, some were smaller, so it wasn't a program/scaling issue or they would all be off by the same amount. This threw off everything. There's zero margin for error in a small chassis. I've since re-drawn every component from scratch and have the complete assembly finished. I've set clearances and tolerances so it should be good to go.

The first "correct" drawing was sent out this morning. I'm trying out a company that stamps out the part (rather then laser and folding) to see the results. If the stamping leaves burrs that need to be filed off it might not be cost effective. The laser left a pretty nice edge.

 

[Gurudaz]

* Are stamped parts cheaper to make than laser/folded?

I'll be around and maybe catch some pics of the chassis.

 

[Lazzer408]

Excluding the tooling/finishing cost, they are cheaper to stamp. It's the tooling/finishing costs that hurt. Cutting the part out with a laser is cheap because all the parts are cut at once. With the laser, the parts are nested together to make the most out of a sheet of aluminum. Once cut, a brake press operator has to fold each tab. It's man hours (laser) vs. tooling costs (stamping). If I was making millions of them, stamping is cheaper IF it produces a nice finish.

I've spent more time on reducing costs then on the design itself. Anyone can envision the layout and shape of a product. Keeping costs down is the hard part. You have to understand the manufacturing processes to do that. For example: All the sheet metal is the same gauge, the folded tabs are the same angle, they are inline with each other, and also the same size. This significantly reduces costs. I also have to keep in mind how the parts will be nested so that edges and holes in one part are inline with the next. This reduces the time the laser is moving the head around. Kinda like seek time in a hard drive. Holes all over the place is like a hard drive that is badly fragmented. It slows things down which means $$$.

 

[Gurudaz]

* The case needs to be watercool capable, I don't see fitting a heatsink into the case.

Looking at a GTX 780 watercooled, is there room somewhere for dual 120mm radiators for cpu-gpu cooling(which I feel should be more than enough to keep them operating.

 

[Lazzer408]

* The case needs to be watercool capable, I don't see fitting a heatsink into the case.

Looking at a GTX 780 watercooled, is there room somewhere for dual 120mm radiators for cpu-gpu cooling(which I feel should be more than enough to keep them operating.

Your serious right?

This is a small form factor chassis. Small form factor computers are usually VERY limited. Your lucky to fit a video card at all, let alone power it, or have any headroom for CPU overclocking. This chassis gives you the ability to build a small form factor computer without those limits. I'm not concerned about the ~1% who want that extra 500mhz that only watercooling would provide.

 

[Gurudaz]

* I would definatley choose water cooling for the cpu, not for OC but for heat related performance. Something that small needs heat to be removed exclusively> just like the Tiki case can.
As for GPU watercooling, I can go with air cooled if need be> but would be an intersting challange to do both.

This watercooling setup is an all in one> it basically has the pump and reservoir built into it...you can actaully use different radiators if need be.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103183

 

[Gurudaz]

* Its funny the review for that cooler didn't go too well for someone, but the guy was trying to cool an OC 3770k @ 4.4 ghz> the 3770k's dont do well above 4.2 ghz unless you've got super cooling that will bring temps down significantly even then... they are stubborn above 4.5 ghz> people should just leave them at 4.2> what is an extra 200mhz anyways?

The + side of this cooler is it's refillable any time> so it's cooling life can be extended with minimal hassle of purchasing a new piece> the only down side is people say the pump can be noisy, which is unfortunate.

The cooler itself can be disassembled and you can add your own tubing network> basically you can add a dual 120 mm RAD with built in reservoir, add a liquid cooled GPU to it and the pump will handle both CPU and GPU cooling @ 12v (but the pump is louder at these voltages)

 

[Gurudaz]

* Another reason I mention this unit is because lets say, the case might not fit a long tubed liquid cooling unit such as corsair models etc> with this unit> I can basically cut and add my own tube lengths to fit inside the case etc> but that just what I would do if space is tight. I think it should work above the CPU just fine> your case is only 4" height> but I don't know how a Liquid cooled 780 will fit> I'm thinking the GPU has the hard drive bay beneath it so tubing can't be looped into that area> unless the hardrive could be mounted on the inside of the chassis wall etc.

 

[adulaamin]

Gurudaz: You can EDIT your posts instead of double or triple posting.

On the case: I can't wait for a TPU review.

 

[Gurudaz]

Gurudaz: You can EDIT your posts instead of double or triple posting.

On the case: I can't wait for a TPU review.

I felt it appropiate to triple post...to disern the subject from the previous post.

 

[adulaamin]

I felt it appropiate to triple post...to disern the subject from the previous post.

Isn't that what paragraphs are for? Anyway I'm not sure if it's part of the forum guidelines or not but some mods/members have issues with double/triple posting.

 

[Lazzer408]

There isn't any magic to watercooling that allows it to break any laws of physics. Given the fact that the available space for a cooler is limited, a heatsink would outperform a water cooler in a fixed space. There are 3 things that matter in coolers. Getting the heat off of one surface, moving it to another surface, then moving it from that surface to the air. The first step is fairly easy and heat pipes are an efficient means of moving heat from one area to another. Water is also good at it but requires many other components that decrease the overall reliability of the cooling system. All things equal it boils down to the surface area of the radiator and the airflow across it.

NASA used heat pipes for a reason. Small, light, efficient, maintenance free, cheap and reliable.

If you feel that liquid cooling is a mandatory part of your build there are many other cases out there designed to accomidate the large radiators required to cool both a CPU and GPU.

 

[Lazzer408]

Isn't that what paragraphs are for? Anyway I'm not sure if it's part of the forum guidelines or not but some mods/members have issues with double/triple posting.

And Trolling....

 

[Gurudaz]

I guess the case doesn't allow cpu liquid cooling?

 

[Lazzer408]

I guess the case doesn't allow cpu liquid cooling?

For what?

The smaller chassis I started with, no. The larger version that I'm producing first, maybe, with modifications.

There's 2.92" (72mm) of space between the cpu and top cover so it'll accept a fairly wide rande of low-profile coolers. If you decide to vent the top cover, You could use a low-profile heatsink with a thicker fan. This helps move more air without as much noise as the thin fans. The way it's designed, the chassis completely slides out of the enclosure for service. You would need a way to support the radiator and fan so the chassis could slide out with the cooler attached.

A 120mm heatpipe cooler would outperform a 90mm radiator anyways.

Why the fixation on water cooling?

 

[happita]

Why the fixation on water cooling?

The guy gives off a bad vibe. I'm thinking he might be one of the "competitors" you mentioned earlier in one of your posts Lazzer and he's just trying to get some information out of you

Can't wait to see the day your production goes live. Congrats on your vision, hope you succeed

 

[Lazzer408]

The guy gives off a bad vibe. I'm thinking he might be one of the "competitors" you mentioned earlier in one of your posts Lazzer and he's just trying to get some information out of you

Can't wait to see the day your production goes live. Congrats on your vision, hope you succeed

Thanks happita. So far so good.

How do you guys like this power button? I'm sending it to the injection molder on Monday.

 

[t_ski]

Looks a little big...

 

[Lazzer408]

It's a whole lot of on. It's only 0.5".

 

[MightyMission]

I quite like it...it's a positive button! plus it breaks up the blank expanse enough to make the front of the case look professional, and slightly interesting. These things matter! I'd assume anyway haha i'm not affiliated with anyone or anything.