Will my PC bottleneck?

[angelkiller]

No they don't, they lack some cache, but other than that perform well and OC well. Your just jealous because your phenom 2 still gets beat

Clearly we have some differences of opinions. You can have your quad. I'll still stick with an awesome 45nm dual core.

 

[Ketxxx]

I picked a quad because games in the not too distant future will love the extra cores. Also, theres no point in a beefier system at this time. IF i7 was more mature I would be all for that, but its not. Pocket the saving and put it toward a i7 setup when its matured more. Brains and logic over "oohh its shiny".

 

[ShadowFold]

Clearly we have some differences of opinions. You can have your quad. I'll still stick with an awesome 45nm dual core.

And I still say 720BE. Performance is the same across all boards. This is a much better review by a more trust worthy site, I've never heard of xbitlabs.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenomii_720_810_am3/

 

[angelkiller]

Forget futureproofing. Games that can handle 4 cores won't be commonplace for at least a year or two. So the way I see it, that quad won't be useful until then...

If you've never heard of X-Bit labs, you need to reconsider what you call trustworthy. X-Bit Labs is one of the best out there.

 

[Ketxxx]

Err.. what? Youve never heard of xbitlabs? Have you been living under a rock the past..... 6+ years? xbitlabs are one of THE most trusted review sites out there.

 

[Ketxxx]

Forget futureproofing. Games that can handle 4 cores won't be commonplace for at least a year or two. So the way I see it, that quad won't be useful until then...

If you've never heard of X-Bit labs, you need to reconsider what you call trustworthy. X-Bit Labs is one of the best out there. Whether you've heard of it or not doesn't really say how accurate the site is. Test methodology does.

Erm.. games that can make use of 4 cores are starting to appear now... GTA 4 for example.

 

[Kursah]

I guess it depends on what the OP wants, but coming from an e8600 at 4.5ghz on air to a q6600 at 3.6ghz has shown little to no difference in gaming, but a huge difference where more cores count obviously. AMD X4 PII's or Intel Core 2 Quad's will treat you right, both are great...when it comes down to it, if the machine is a gaming rig you don't need the best quad, you don't need the most efficient quad, you don't need the fastest quad. Really anything 2.4Ghz or better dual or quad is PLENTY for gaming, though I would prefer the 3GHz+ range for longetivity of the gaming rig. I've read reviews from both OCC and XBit Labs, both are decent sites, between reviews from there and what other members in this and other forums think help me make a purchase decision on a new product generally. Quad cores though are the future of gaming, better to have it now if you don't plan on going to a different build soon.

 

[a_ump]

that is also why i picked a quad core, bc more games aren't expected to utilize 4 cores, they will utilize 4 cores. once that is very common, duals will be behind even my q6600 . and just for reference the Phenom II 940 is a great value for it's money, it matches or beats the q9650 in most tests and occasionally beats the i7 965. Review, that is why i picked the phenom II 940 for his build

 

[angelkiller]

But that's nowhere near commonplace. If you took a survey of the 30 most popular games would most of them be able to use 4 cores? Why quad then? Even in a year, I doubt that most games will be quad-core optimized.

I've never kept a CPU for more than a year. If I was gonna keep this one for the next 5 years, the quad would definately make sense. But I suspect that the CPU will most likely be upgraded within two years or so. I don't see quads offering any major advantages in that timeframe. In other words, a dual core will still be competitive within the next 1-2 years. Quads arn't gonna take over that quickly.

*thinks to myself* Hmmm. I seem to be outnumbered here....

 

[Assassin48]

But that's nowhere near commonplace. If you took a survey of the 30 most popular games would most of them be able to use 4 cores? Why quad then? Even in a year, I doubt that most games will be quad-core optimized.

I've never kept a CPU for more than a year. If I was gonna keep this one for the next 5 years, the quad would definately make sense. But I suspect that the CPU will most likely be upgraded within two years or so. I don't see quads offering any major advantages in that timeframe. In other words, a dual core will still be competitive within the next 1-2 years. Quads arn't gonna take over that quickly.

*thinks to myself* Hmmm. I seem to be outnumbered here....

thats why i choose the x3 he still has that extra core and with amd you could just swap out the old cpu with the new one like what i did with the 9950 and my phenom 940

 

[Ketxxx]

Again.. Quad is much better. Clicky

 

[a_ump]

But that's nowhere near commonplace. If you took a survey of the 30 most popular games would most of them be able to use 4 cores? Why quad then? Even in a year, I doubt that most games will be quad-core optimized.

I've never kept a CPU for more than a year. If I was gonna keep this one for the next 5 years, the quad would definately make sense. But I suspect that the CPU will most likely be upgraded within two years or so. I don't see quads offering any major advantages in that timeframe. In other words, a dual core will still be competitive within the next 1-2 years. Quads arn't gonna take over that quickly.

*thinks to myself* Hmmm. I seem to be outnumbered here....

lol that you are, maybe i just hope and assume since more titles this year and Q4 of 08 are quad supportive that upcoming games will be . You may very well be correct but dam it took them forever to code for duals they need to just skip it and hop on to quad. I also like being able to run w/e i want in the background and still play a game without a difference in FPS from when i'm idle in the background. I've had my q6600 for bout a year and 3 months and i'll probly keep it for another yr just bc there's nothing out yet that my q6600 can't handle. Sure 5-10fps difference compared to i7 but that doesn't warrant and upgrade when the game is running 40fps or 50fps. Ima slow upgradin guy

 

[angelkiller]

Ok ok, you guys are starting to convince me.

I'm reconsidering. Happy now?

 

[Assassin48]

lol that you are, maybe i just hope and assume since more titles this year and Q4 of 08 are quad supportive that upcoming games will be . You may very well be correct but dam it took them forever to code for duals they need to just skip it and hop on to quad. I also like being able to run w/e i want in the background and still play a game without a difference in FPS from when i'm idle in the background. I've had my q6600 for bout a year and 3 months and i'll probly keep it for another yr just bc there's nothing out yet that my q6600 can't handle. Sure 5-10fps difference compared to i7 but that doesn't warrant and upgrade when the game is running 40fps or 50fps. Ima slow upgradin guy

the only reason i havent upgraded to an i7 was the price i just stayed with my amd setup and bought the 940 when it came out

if he goes with a 940 he would pay and extra 50-100 that would put him far from his 900 budget

Ok ok, you guys are starting to convince me.

I'm reconsidering. Happy now?

YES

 

[ShadowFold]

I've had a PII 940, PI 9750, E7200, 7750 and there really isn't a difference gaming wise. Just get the damn 720 and be happy lol

 

[DarkMatter]

If you've never heard of X-Bit labs, you need to reconsider what you call trustworthy. X-Bit Labs is one of the best out there.

Agreed. Shadowfold, you didn't know X-bit labs?

 

[Ketxxx]

Ok ok, you guys are starting to convince me.

I'm reconsidering. Happy now?

The child has seen the light

 

[a_ump]

haha dam we're good , now if the OP would just post back on his final thoughts to get this thread back on track

 

[Assassin48]

this was his list before we went on this little battle

Okay, so if I play this right, these are the final parts:

LITE-ON 22X DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model iHAS222-06

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active
PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler

AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX

Foxconn A79A-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard

EVGA 896-P3-1257-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
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$901.60
I already have my own copy of Windows XP on DVD, so should I upgrade to Vista?

 

[angelkiller]

grumble grumble.... stupid quads.... with their 4 cores and all.... (kidding!)

Back on topic, I'd change the GPU to a 4870 because you might CF one day. You never know what deals come your way.

 

[Assassin48]

grumble grumble.... stupid quads

Back on topic, I'd change the GPU to a 4870 because you might CF one day. You never know what deals come your way.

i agree with that

 

[Ketxxx]

I wouldn't. See if there are any pricedrops on the 4870 coming, I would think some aren't far away with the 4890 around.

 

[angelkiller]

You and I disagree on everything, Ketxxx.

The 4870 is supposed to get to $150. But now that you mention it, it would be a good idea to wait until the 4890 comes out. (Thursday right?)

 

[Assassin48]

You and I disagree on everything, Ketxxx.

The 4870 is supposed to get to $150. But now that you mention it, it would be a good idea to wait until the 4890 comes out. (Thursday right?)

its out you know

 

[phanbuey]

Again.. Quad is much better. Clicky

Holy crap thats awesome...

I had no idea that it was that big of a difference with multi cards... looks like I will be selling an E8500 soon...