if apples been doing it for years, creative can't do anything about it lol. also things like that are more specific than just categories i doubt creative patented it for the exact same way apple does it.
not to mention the whole deeper pockets means better lawyers and apple has pockets much deeper than creative lol.

This is about the column-style drill down interface most mp3 players these days use. Creative invented it, but has waited too long to pursue it.

I doubt lengh of time to pursue will have much impact.

Look at the whole sony joypad and rumble motor case, that manafacture waited 5 years to pursue.

DarksaberCreative is finally letting their lawyers loose on Apple trying to stop it selling the iPod in the United States.

I'm all for that :).

zekrahminatorI'm all for that :).

and then you can see the rise of a crappy mp3 market with nothing driving improvements either.

if you're happy with that 20gb mp3 zen, have fun, but I want my video mp3 player :D

Dippyskoodlezand then you can see the rise of a crappy mp3 market with nothing driving improvements either.

if you're happy with that 20gb mp3 zen, have fun, but I want my video mp3 player :D

Crappy mp3 players? Have you seen the new zen vision:m's? They're awesome. They even beat out the iPod at CES, winning both the best of CES prize in "mp3 and portable video" , and in "best in show". It has a better screen than the ipod video, and you can watch videos without losing so much battery life. Plus the sound quality is superior.(not surprising, since creative sells mostly audio products)

SandmanCrappy mp3 players? Have you seen the new zen vision:m's? They're awesome. They even beat out the iPod at CES, winning both the best of CES prize in "mp3 and portable video" , and in "best in show". It has a better screen than the ipod video, and you can watch videos without losing so much battery life. Plus the sound quality is superior.(not surprising, since creative sells mostly audio products)

The iPod video weighs less and is thinner. Just because an mp3 player has an FM tuner doesnt make it superior. If you want songs from crappy FM radio, buy or download them. In my opinion the iPod screen quality is just fine for me. And about battery life, who really watches movies 4-5 hours straight without having access to a charger? I watch my iPod a couple hours every day at least and never have battery problems if i remember to charge it. Its not a big deal. Basically it comes down to quality over quantity. just because the zen:m has different colors, fm radio, and longer battery life doesnt make it better than the iPod video.

devinXkillyouThe iPod video weighs less and is thinner. Just because an mp3 player has an FM tuner doesnt make it superior. If you want songs from crappy FM radio, buy or download them. In my opinion the iPod screen quality is just fine for me. And about battery life, who really watches movies 4-5 hours straight without having access to a charger? I watch my iPod a couple hours every day at least and never have battery problems if i remember to charge it. Its not a big deal. Basically it comes down to quality over quantity. just because the zen:m has different colors, fm radio, and longer battery life doesnt make it better than the iPod video.

All you defend is how the Ipod isnt that great, just proving our point. 2 hrs isnt good enough for video, because once you watch a movie then there is no battery left to listen to music etc.

Dippyskoodlezand then you can see the rise of a crappy mp3 market with nothing driving improvements either.

if you're happy with that 20gb mp3 zen, have fun, but I want my video mp3 player :D

crappy mp3 players? im sorry lets go over this


my mp3 player does not freeze
i can recharge my battaries and then i can actually get to them
i have a good color screen 256 thousand is plenty
my 20GB zen is fine i will never fill 20Gb
if i wanted to watch videos on my mp3 player id buy a small tv that shouldnt be what their for.

Ipod/Mac is a cult, you cant reason with them so dont bother. Like all good cults, they will drink the kool-aid someday ;)

This is actually a pretty classic move that has been pulled off plenty of times in the past. A company developes something, then other companies start using it, then the original company patents it and extorts money out of all the other companies that are using it.

I see this ending with a settlement.

Oh and iPods have and always will be complete junk comparied to some of the other players out on the market for similar prices.

I just don't bother with MP3 players and use my CD player that plays MP3's. 50 CD's cost $20, the actual unit cost about $70, and my music downloading service cost $25. MP3 PLAYING CD PLAYER FTW!!!!!

wazzledoozleAll you defend is how the Ipod isnt that great, just proving our point. 2 hrs isnt good enough for video, because once you watch a movie then there is no battery left to listen to music etc.

Who watches full length movies on a portable mp3 player? Maybe tv shows that last less than an hour, but seriously how many times can you watch a full length movie. I use my ipod for video podcasts, tv shows, and other funny video clips. Maybe if you guys werent bums and sat on your asses for hours on end watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen, the battery would last longer.

devinXkillyouThe iPod video weighs less and is thinner. Just because an mp3 player has an FM tuner doesnt make it superior. If you want songs from crappy FM radio, buy or download them. In my opinion the iPod screen quality is just fine for me. And about battery life, who really watches movies 4-5 hours straight without having access to a charger? I watch my iPod a couple hours every day at least and never have battery problems if i remember to charge it. Its not a big deal.

Uhh, when did I say it was better because it gets radio? In any case, the vision:m display offers more than four times the color of the video ipod (262,144 vs 64,000) It makes a huge difference, believe me. The ipod looks washed out in comparison. The player may be thicker, but I don't mind, since it prvides almost double the video playback time of the ipod.

devinXkillyouBasically it comes down to quality over quantity. just because the zen:m has different colors, fm radio, and longer battery life doesnt make it better than the iPod video.

Yeah, cause.. creative sux!!11!1 Seriously. Better compatibility, longer playback time with better quality, a better screen, a mic and radio, and free file conversion software. I think it's better. Oh, and it's 285 bucks on amazon.

wait dont forget the shitty exuse of a player...i ****ing hate itunes!!!

ok si this maybe irrelevant to the actual topic of the article but i would rather i do have a creative zen. The 1st reason is, it is by creative, you know, the guys who build your sound cards! I would rather buy something from them because their whole buisness revolves around make things sound excellent. 2nd of all, no one ever has them. 2 out of 10 people will have a creative mp3 player and when they do, everyone always says how cool and how stylish they look and sag their heads when they look at their boring, run of the mill, crapPod. And size, big frickin' whoop its slightly bigger, it still fits in your pocket! 3rdly in my opinion they just look more unique and more stylish i mean the Zen Vision, WOW! Id rather buy something that sounds good instead of a status symbol! Oh yeh and they dont make that fucking clicking noise, i hate that!

AsphyxiAOh yeh and they dont make that fucking clicking noise, i hate that!

Actually they do. They're just an option to turn it off(which I do).

AsphyxiAok si this maybe irrelevant to the actual topic of the article but i would rather i do have a creative zen. The 1st reason is, it is by creative, you know, the guys who build your sound cards! I would rather buy something from them because their whole buisness revolves around make things sound excellent. 2nd of all, no one ever has them. 2 out of 10 people will have a creative mp3 player and when they do, everyone always says how cool and how stylish they look and sag their heads when they look at their boring, run of the mill, crapPod. And size, big frickin' whoop its slightly bigger, it still fits in your pocket! 3rdly in my opinion they just look more unique and more stylish i mean the Zen Vision, WOW! Id rather buy something that sounds good instead of a status symbol! Oh yeh and they dont make that fucking clicking noise, i hate that!

more like stylish and simple, aesthetically pleasing piece of art

devinXkillyoumore like stylish and simple, aesthetically pleasing piece of art

If you like plain white boxes, then sure I guess you can call it stylish and art.

Function>>Form

All I care about is that it fits in my pocket, and there aren't many players out ther that don't. So I could really care less if the iPod is slightly thinner and weights slightly less. It also doesn't provide anywhere near the features as other players, and costs more.

the 30gig ipod and the zen are the same price boath 300$
store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/1.RSLID?mco=CC4D3CBB&nclm=iPod
click on dropdown menu under the pict of the zen us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331&campid=20724&WT.cg_n=Campaigns&WT.mc_id=999&nav=technicalSpecifications

Zen is alot better

dradeZen is alot better

True dat
Zen Vision:M supports-
DivX 4 & 5, XviD5, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG4-SP, WMV9, Motion-JPEG

PWNAGE! Im getting one.

Ipod Video supports:
.m4v, .mp4, .mov

:laugh:

DR.Deaththe 30gig ipod and the zen are the same price boath 300$
store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/1.RSLID?mco=CC4D3CBB&nclm=iPod
click on dropdown menu under the pict of the zen us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331&campid=20724&WT.cg_n=Campaigns&WT.mc_id=999&nav=technicalSpecifications

Nobody buys stuff direct from creative dude. Apple sometimes, but I have yet to meet the person who ordered their soundcard/mp3 player/speakers/etc from creative's website. I sure didn't.

newtekie1If you like plain white boxes, then sure I guess you can call it stylish and art.

Function>>Form

All I care about is that it fits in my pocket, and there aren't many players out ther that don't. So I could really care less if the iPod is slightly thinner and weights slightly less. It also doesn't provide anywhere near the features as other players, and costs more.

exactly! Plus everyone has them! Plus they act like they are all LEET because they have one:banghead: