this looks as good as identical to my Gigabyte GTX460, what I want to know next is pricing and benchmarks :) but I think we all have a good idea what they will work out to given GTX460's scores.

Queue the hype and Nvidia fanboy posts, when all we have is a simple picture of the card. :>

Since they are claiming it's competitive with the 6950, pricing is going to be around £200 (probably less than $300)?

GzeroQueue the hype and Nvidia fanboy posts, when all we have is a simple picture of the card. :>

Since they are claiming it's competitive with the 6950, pricing is going to be around £200 (probably less than $300)?

NewEgg has a three (3) 6950's at $279 AR and one (1) at $269 AR. It will be interesting to see how the 6950 1GB performs as well as the price. I can see 6950 1GB @ $240 - $250 with 2GB hovering around $280 - $290. AMD looks to be trying to fill any lineup gaps that the 560 may exploit.

I'm going to take a guess at $229-249 MSRP given what 460's sell for at the moment, 460's launched at $229 if I remember right .... and my guess is they will go EOL as soon as 560's land. I'm hoping for a lower MSRP given the rumor they are pin compatible with 460 boards.

Gigabyte OC and SOC factory OCed 560 Ti's running at 900 Mhz and 1000Mhz respectively?

www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21566-gigabyte-to-have-two-overclocked-gtx-560-ti-cards

It's Fudzilla quoting some chinese etailer so take with a grain of salt. But if true Nvidia may have a real winner there:

stock 560 Ti vs HD6950
OC 560 Ti vs HD6970
SOC 560 ti vs HD6970 OC

edit: ^^ performance wise. manufacturing costs are far chaper for the 560 Ti, reason for which I think Nidia might have a real winner.

The price for the OC and SOC is $290 and $320 according to the link above. That would probably mean ~$250 for stock clocked cards.

The first one, GV-N560OC-1GI works at 900MHz for the GPU, 1800MHz for shaders, and 4000MHz for the 1GB of GDDR5 memory. The other one, GV-N560SO-1GI is set at 1000MHz for the GPU, 2000MHz for shaders and 4580MHz for the same amount of GDDR5 memory.

promising!

With GTX560 competing with HD6950 on performance, what will be left to fill the lineup below that? The GTX400 based cards won't last forever and GTX460 seriously underperforms HD6850 and HD6870 except for the cards with the highest overclocks. nVidia is going to need another GF110/114 based variant to replace GTX460 in that market segment, but what will they call it? GTX560 SE with laser cut shader units and slower clocks? It's going to be a fiasco.

slideriderWith GTX560 competing with HD6950 on performance, what will be left to fill the lineup below that? The GTX400 based cards won't last forever and GTX460 seriously underperforms HD6850 and HD6870 except for the cards with the highest overclocks. nVidia is going to need another GF110/114 based variant to replace GTX460 in that market segment, but what will they call it? GTX560 SE with laser cut shader units and slower clocks? It's going to be a fiasco.

My guess is a cut down GTX560, perhaps without the Ti suffix (lower clocks, disable an SM... rebrand GTX460's...), or maybe a 768mb model too who knows, then they will make a GTS550, based on a fully enabled GF106.

can't wait until these cards get released!

Easy Rhinocan't wait until these cards get released!

Tell me about it! I want my Birthday present GDI

Cold StormTell me about it! I want my Birthday present GDI

my b-day is also coming up. woot!

Easy Rhinomy b-day is also coming up. woot!

Woot!

Now, If I can find a decent Micro-ATx 1156 board.. lol

Damn French! Cannot understand $hit from the writings out there.....

slideriderWith GTX560 competing with HD6950 on performance, what will be left to fill the lineup below that? The GTX400 based cards won't last forever and GTX460 seriously underperforms HD6850 and HD6870 except for the cards with the highest overclocks. nVidia is going to need another GF110/114 based variant to replace GTX460 in that market segment, but what will they call it? GTX560 SE with laser cut shader units and slower clocks? It's going to be a fiasco.

Like wolf said a cut down GF114 to compete with HD68xx and some GTS550 based on a GF116 (fixed GF106) for lower segments. No fiasco at all. The cut down version of GF114 will be the same or almost the same as a heavily overclocked GTX460 (336 SPs and probably 800 Mhz), just like the GTX570 is almost the same as the GTX480.

And in reality the GTX560 Ti was meant to replace the GTX460 in the market, only the fact that it will be able to touch/beat the HD69xx has made them release it in a different market segment. It's almost the same chip, just fixed, just get ridden of the manufacturing mistakes* that made GTX4xx cards fail to meet the expectations. We can say the same about the GTX580, with the GTX560 it shares the fact that it's merely just a fixed chip from the previous generation. It was meant to replace the GTX480 in the market segment, but since AMD cannot touch it Nvidia can sell them at a higher price. GTX560 brings the opportunity for Nvidia to compete with the HD6950, in 6950's market segment, with a chip that is 20% smaller and significantly cheaper to produce. Tell me that 3 months ago and I'd have told you to stfu and paid you a ticket to Lalaland, land of unicorns and rainbows...

Even still most of us thought that the GTX560 would only be able to compete in a stock vs stock basis, because clocked at 820 Mhz, it looked like it had been left with a very limited OC potential (because of comparisons with GTX460), maybe maxing out at 900 Mhz on stock voltages (a bit more than what GTX460 is capable of). If the info at Fudzilla is true, no such thing is true and it's quite the opposite, actually. Once overclocked it will compete even better against HD69xx than it does on stock.

* Just imagine if those two Nvidia teams had worked together and had not made those mistakes in the first place. The GTX580 would have been released in November 2009 (under GTX480 name of course) and the GTX560 (ahem 460) would have been released somewhere in Q1 2010. Headlines would have been soooo different. :laugh:

The only thing i am worried about is if it will make the 6850/70 obsolete, depends totally on price though.

I just bought a 6850 for £130 inc p+p so if the new gtx560 is better plus around say £150 that will suck for those that have the 6850 or even just recently got a gtx460. Doubt it will be that cheap though.

GTX 560 TI won't compete with 6970 or 6950 2GB
Only will compete with 6950 1GB, and won't beat it, at the best case they will trade blows.
GTX 560 Ti can't even touch 6970 because it will then cannibalize GTX 570.

Cold StormWoot!

Now, If I can find a decent Micro-ATx 1156 board.. lol

forget that. this year i am going 1155 and gtx500 series. tired of my old (but still really fast q9650/gtx280) setup. :rolleyes:

you guys have skipped something big :D

the pic says OPENGL 3.2 ???

opengl 4 was for gf400 and above as i understand.

I really can't believe it, this 560 looks I identical to the two Gigabyte 460s that I'm running in my system. It has the same GPU cooler, colour PCB and even the back panel is the same. :eek:

After seeing this new 560 I feel safe enough to say that I'm not in anyway envious of this new next generation, especially since I have two 460s which will last long enough for me. :D

fusionbluI really can't believe it, this 560 looks I identical to the two Gigabyte 460s that I'm running in my system. It has the same GPU cooler, colour PCB and even the back panel is the same. :eek:

After seeing this new 560 I feel safe enough to say that I'm not in anyway envious of this new next generation, especially since I have two 460s which will last long enough for me. :D

Same here. I like my 460. Defect compared to the 560 or not...its still a fine GPU. Will be nice to see the 560s out so then the 460s can get a price cut. Hopefully the one I've been waiting for which puts them down below $150.

I don't see any Ti moniker added to that Gigabyte box tho. Its the same box my 460 came in cept with 560 lettering.

^the 460 should rock for a good time, wait for whatever next q4 2011 cards will come out, you'll feel good about the upgrade ;)

I like the dual dual-link DVI :)

But I dont like the 450W :(

Salsooloyou guys have skipped something big :D

the pic says OPENGL 3.2 ???

I don't think it is such a big deal

New features of OpenGL 4.1 include:
Full compatibility with OpenGL ES 2.0 APIs for easier porting between mobile and desktop platforms >> Not a feature or performance benefit - just simpler coding/development for the mobile market
The ability to query and load a binary for shader program objects to save re-compilation time >> Potentially useful, but I that doesnt help performance in any existing code/games
The capability to bind programs individually to programmable stages for programming flexibility >> I think this is more of a CUDA enhancement and making a OpenGL 4.1 compliance board also capable of more efficient OpenCL libraries. Doesnt affect any existing code/games
64-bit floating-point component vertex shader inputs for higher geometric precision >> OUCH. That will be a performance killer and probably more important in the CAD/medical market
Multiple viewports for a rendering surface for increased rendering flexibility >> Interesting feature basically allowing hardware 3D rather than having to do it via software/driver enhancement

While OpenGL 4.x is a continuous improvement, and I like that, is seems that the feature set isnt going to significantly change what a PC enthusiast/gamer can expect. It seems quite targeted at specialised markets. Perhaps the 3D is interesting for us though! (multiple viewports).

TAViXDamn French! Cannot understand $hit from the writings out there.....

lol, french? I could translate it if it was, but I'm pretty certian that ain't french.

N3M3515GTX 560 TI won't compete with 6970 or 6950 2GB
Only will compete with 6950 1GB, and won't beat it, at the best case they will trade blows.
GTX 560 Ti can't even touch 6970 because it will then cannibalize GTX 570.

dont feel too confident

N3M3515GTX 560 TI won't compete with 6970 or 6950 2GB
Only will compete with 6950 1GB, and won't beat it, at the best case they will trade blows.
GTX 560 Ti can't even touch 6970 because it will then cannibalize GTX 570.

Oh, it will surely perform on par with HD6950 2GB and once overclocked it will soundly beat stock GTX570 and HD6970. Performance difference between stock GTX580, 570 and 560 is not going to be much different than the one between HD6970, 6950 and 6870. Difference in both cases is around 10% in every step and that's how it's going to be this "generation" because there's a wall (40nm node) that prevents faster premium chips, but there's no such wall for performance/mainstream cards, so they have catched up. The high-end parts still have huge benefits for many enthusiast, like significantly better tesselation and GPGPU performance, also 64 bit support.

Compare these charts to look at the difference (~10%):



And here is a chart that I made that demostrates the performance that the GTX560 will have based on it's characteristics:

First the resume: performance icrease on Fermi cards is almost linear (+/- 2%) as their GFlops rise, as can be seen in the small chart below (performance numbers taken from W1zzard's HD6950 chart above):

Card | Actual performance | Relative Gflops
GTS450 | 46 | 47.74
GTX465 | 72 | 67.86
GTX460 | 73 | 72.03
GTX470 | 89 | 86.36
GTX560 | ? | 100.00
GTX570 | 109 | 111.59
GTX480 | 108 | 106.86
GTX580 | 125 | 125.53

Here's the complete chart, just in case you want to check the math or if you want to check how, effectively, Fermi cards' performace is pretty much only based on relative GFlops (Gflops = 2*SP number*shader clock):

card | Clock | SP | Gflops | Relative Gflops | ROP | Gpixel/clock | Relative fillrate | memory clock | bus width | memory bandwidth | relative memory bandwidth | texture units | texture fillrate | relative texture fillrate
GTS450 | 783 | 192 | 601.34 | 47.74 | 16 | 12.53 | 47.74 | 3608 | 128 | 57.73 | 45.10 | 32 | 25.06 | 47.74
GTX465 | 607 | 352 | 854.66 | 67.86 | 32 | 19.42 | 74.02 | 3206 | 256 | 102.59 | 80.15 | 44 | 26.71 | 50.89
GTX460 1GB | 675 | 336 | 907.20 | 72.03 | 32 | 21.60 | 82.32 | 3600 | 256 | 115.20 | 90.00 | 56 | 37.80 | 72.03
GTX470 | 607 | 448 | 1,087.74 | 86.36 | 40 | 24.28 | 92.53 | 3348 | 320 | 133.92 | 104.63 | 56 | 33.99 | 64.77
GTX560 | 820 | 384 | 1,259.52 | 100.00 | 32 | 26.24 | 100.00 | 4000 | 256 | 128.00 | 100.00 | 64 | 52.48 | 100.00
GTX570 | 732 | 480 | 1,405.44 | 111.59 | 40 | 29.28 | 111.59 | 3800 | 320 | 152.00 | 118.75 | 60 | 43.92 | 83.69
GTX480 | 701 | 480 | 1,345.92 | 106.86 | 48 | 33.65 | 128.23 | 3696 | 384 | 177.41 | 138.60 | 60 | 42.06 | 80.14
GTX580 | 772 | 512 | 1,581.06 | 125.53 | 48 | 37.06 | 141.22 | 4008 | 384 | 192.38 | 150.30 | 64 | 49.41 | 94.15