D007Seemd like you were responding to this:



I misunderstood apparently?

To me it seems the comment was trying to be made that only people capable of running an OS like Linux, which requires more fine tuning, is done only by some elite group of super smart OS users.. XD

Where as the less intelligent people would go with win 8 for simplicity.
Why drag age into this? Also Idk why you think I'm upset or something, I was just havin fun really. I'm not all bent out of shape about it..lol..
It's only windows.. :D

Still..Need..Benchies...



Honestly, yea, pretty much the same for me too I think..lol..
If Linux ran games better than MS.. Goodbye MS..



Never thought the day would come again but I guess I'm going back to IE tonight..

"Upset" and "Defensive" are two different things buddy. ;) I said you were being defensive because I said "Most Window Users"... Not you being upset.. and by the way I'm not either. You misunderstood me and that's fine. :p Let's get back on topic. :toast:

So when is Tech Subs getting it ,August with OME RTM or October ?

PS don`t forget Office 2012 is out in October too.......

Anyone try Win 8 on an eyefinity setup? i am guessing it will look retarded on my 3x1 portrait mode full screening every single applications and wasting my screen real estate.

Easy Rhinoyou will all still use it. i guarantee it.

Not on my desktop. I've had it on my main rig for a few weeks now trying to get used to it. It just plain takes longer to get to the things I want to do. If there is not a an option to disable Metro, it won't see this machine.

Now, if on a tablet or some other touch screen device, I would use it, but I'm not gigving up my monitor for touch capability. Now, if somebody came up with a 24" 16:10 multi-point capacitive overlay add-on for existing monitors (that works properly), I would put 8 on my main rig.

And just because it has been mentioned, I use Windows, Linux (although not currently. Needed the partition back for testing) and OS X, and like them all for different reasons.

Install ClassicShell, boot straight to the standard desktop with a start menu... problem solved. Next OS....

D007I use firefox and I am have been having intermittent issues ever since I upgraded to win 7.
XP was infinitely more stable for me..
Flash sometimes crashes, firefox sometimes hangs and crashed or totally stalls my pc, so I have to hard reboot. Sometimes "rarely" right on startup, when I click on firefox, I get a bluescreen once.. Then I reboot and all is well..
Likely more little things that im forgetting.. I just deal with it.

I've tried tons of fixes, reinstalls , drivers, etc etc..
Disabling video hardware acceleration, using flashes uninstaller/installer.
driver sweeper in safe mode, fresh driver installations..
Just happens intermittently still, like out of nowhere, oops flash crashed.. Oh it's fine now..

The culprit here is flash, which is kinda sucky, and Firefox, which is not as good as it used to be. Try other browsers and see if they work. If they are working perfectly, then you have your answer right there.

(More tech support flashbacks:
CUstomer: My computer doesn't work!!!!1!1!!
Uninstall Norton, does it work now?
CUstomer: Yes, but ..
Call Norton tech support then.)

Yeah, flash constantly crashes even taking Firefox with it sometimes. Would migrate but too lazy to transfer favorites/history and lose my cookies.

D007Lol then you don't know ME..
ME had the longest list of technical problems, out of any OS that I can recall.

You obviously haven't used it on an appropriate system. The problems with ME are similar to the ones people had with Vista initially. MS didn't give OEMs enough time to adapt to the new OS, so they just dumped it on PCs designed for 98, without 100% stable drivers. If you run it on something like a Pentium III or 4 with a good amount of RAM and don't fuck around with it, it runs flawlessly. And I'm talking from experience.

hellrazorWhat's wrong with nVidia? Their linux drivers are fucking awesome.

Clearly, someone has never had to deal with using Optimus on *nix.

D007To me it seems the comment was trying to be made that only people capable of running an OS like Linux, which requires more fine tuning, is done only by some elite group of super smart OS users.. XD

Where as the less intelligent people would go with win 8 for simplicity.
Why drag age into this? Also Idk why you think I'm upset or something, I was just havin fun really. I'm not all bent out of shape about it..lol..
It's only windows.. :D

It doesn't take someone with a CS degree to figure out Linux, and honestly when it works right, it works out of the box. Ubuntu has always installed nicely for me even with proprietary drivers. If it doesn't install right, you're already doing something weird that should require you to have a better idea about the OS you're using. Like Fake RAID, Ubuntu doesn't like to install on it, but you better know how dmraid handles this if you expect it to work and you expect to be able to recover from any issues you may run into (such as a degraded raid with a new disk and how it will behave while rebuilding.) Stuff like that, but honestly, any normal person should be able to plop the latest version of Ubuntu and install and use it. Just don't mess with stuff when you don't know what it will do, which is a very good reason why "sudo" comes with a "with great power comes great responsibility," statement.

They're just two different OSs with different things in mind, not just ideas about the OS but how the software is deployed and distributed as well.

Windows might be easy, but they also make it easy to not recover from ruining stuff. I find that Linux is a little more forgiving if you know what you're doing. I've never lost a linux install to mucking something up where Windows has in many cases in the past become a lost cause.

AquinusClearly, someone has never had to deal with using Optimus on *nix.

Why the fuck are you using optimus?

hellrazorWhy the fuck are you using optimus?

I am not, but others tend to like improved battery life instead of letting nVidia suck your battery dry when you're laptop is idling.

So your worried about someone else not being able to play games on a laptop running linux because you're worried that your battery will die since you're forced to use the actual gaming video card?

hellrazorSo your worried about someone else not being able to play games on a laptop running linux because you're worried that your battery will die since you're forced to use the actual gaming video card?

i.imgur.com/GszKl.jpg

No, I'm worried that when someone who does play video games and isn't (you know, when the machine is idle or when you're doing 2D,) is going to chew through his or her battery twice as fast when doing nothing. A lot of people like dual booting to do both, but just because they're in Linux doesn't mean it should eat their battery as if they were playing a video game. :banghead:

Anyone who has tried to get a non HP printer scanner working, or just a normal scanner, or [insert device here] - including any kind of power or otherwise hardware management knows how screwed they are. Just reading Aquinus' post made me remember how shitty hardware drivers can be in linux and all the crap I take for granted these days.

Unless you are running a web server or a DB server (or whatever server), or you're a developer and/or hacker, linux is primarily for screwing around in.

phanbueyAnyone who has tried to get a non HP printer scanner working, or just a normal scanner, or [insert device here] - including any kind of power or otherwise hardware management knows how screwed they are. Just reading Aquinus' post made me remember how shitty hardware drivers can be in linux and all the crap I take for granted these days.

Unless you are running a web server or a DB server (or whatever server), or you're a developer and/or hacker, linux is primarily for screwing around in.

have you tried installing linux in your pc recently?
did you know slackware linux? i had never experienced with hardware drivers problems or any kind of shit regarding drivers issue in both my PC and Laptop machines, oh i almost forget something, i currently using an epson printer and scanner. :)

sorry, for my oot post.. :(

phanbueyAnyone who has tried to get a non HP printer scanner working, or just a normal scanner, or [insert device here] - including any kind of power or otherwise hardware management knows how screwed they are.

I've yet to have a problem with my Canon.

Start screen has giant tiles on it, which run the same apps in exactly the same way. You click the firefox tile, just like you clicked the firefox icon.

Haters need to give it another chance ;)

Red_MachineHey, ME gets a bad rap, just like Vista. I had less problems with it than I did with 95 or 98.

ME may have worked but it was slower than win98.
And vista was a steaming pile.

As for win 8 the Gui sucks.
I windows vista / 7 the first thing I do is turn of Aero i have never liked it.

I run a minimalist shell in linux LXDE...

Unless windows 8 brings something to the table.
Vista was 64 bit support and DX 10.

Windows 7 is awesome it works very well.

Windows 8 just looks like crap.

johnspackInstall ClassicShell, boot straight to the standard desktop with a start menu... problem solved. Next OS....

I don't want to run a third party shell.

Captain.AbrecanStart screen has giant tiles on it, which run the same apps in exactly the same way. You click the firefox tile, just like you clicked the firefox icon.

Haters need to give it another chance ;)

I gave it a month. I hate the UI. It adds time to finding programs and settings and such. The start menu works infinitely better for my working style.