TheMailMan78I rebutted all your examples in one shot. KABOOM!

Oil rig sending them off? Most are streamed real time.
ISS. Same thing.
Doctor? Already debunked that.

And Oil companies can afford better things then 13" Airs. Really these new 13"s are just marketing at its finest. Poor mans MBP.

mmmhmmm, ive got some AMD stock to sell you as well. you clearly are a savvy industry professional who knows what the market wants and needs. :nutkick:

the need for high res mobile devices crosses several different types of industries. it's not just programmers who enjoy super high res when on the run, but engineers and medical professionals. these people are already using these devices because they are clearer and allow them to view high res images on a smaller screen with proper scaling.

my bet is that when microsoft decides to finally catch up and create a super hi res tablet everyone will say it is perfectly fine and made from the finest of bill gates pubes. :pimp:

AquinusEver use a 13" Macbook Pro without Retina?
I don't call 1280x800 better than 1366x768.

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While I agree with you that 1280x800 is no better than 1366x768 in terms of raw pixels, Apple DOES use far better panels in their standard MacBook Pro than you see in just about every other vendor, with exception to Sony and ASUS on some models. But Apple is well known for using high quality panels and fully calibrating from the factory, not just with their laptop panels but on the phones and tablets as well. But the 1366x768 panels I was complaining about offer poor viewing angles, poor color accuracy, contrast, and are just terrible in comparison to a quality panel you see from Apple and some other vendors. I should have been clearer on that, I apologize.

Apple products. Not even once.

NC37I wonder how much more glue Apple is using to keep them together this time. ;D

Did someone say glue?

Go M$oft! Best company! Highest quality! Sells 64GB tablet and only provides 50% of the available space! Sells Surface Pro for more than an iPad! Takes a higher percentage of sales than Apple from the application store! #1 company!

wickermanWhile I agree with you that 1280x800 is no better than 1366x768 in terms of raw pixels, Apple DOES use far better panels in their standard MacBook Pro than you see in just about every other vendor, with exception to Sony and ASUS on some models. But Apple is well known for using high quality panels and fully calibrating from the factory, not just with their laptop panels but on the phones and tablets as well. But the 1366x768 panels I was complaining about offer poor viewing angles, poor color accuracy, contrast, and are just terrible in comparison to a quality panel you see from Apple and some other vendors. I should have been clearer on that, I apologize.

It's not your fault that most Apple haters care only about resolution and SPEKZ!@!!! so don't apologize.

LOOK AT THIS SIMILAR PRICED MACHINE WITH 10X BETTER SPEKZq@@!! NOW LOOK AT MACBOOK AIR LOL RIPOFF

Easy Rhinothe need for high res mobile devices crosses several different types of industries. it's not just programmers who enjoy super high res when on the run, but engineers and medical professionals. these people are already using these devices because they are clearer and allow them to view high res images on a smaller screen with proper scaling.

I can't argue with that.....only not on a 13" screen for 1,400 bucks. :rolleyes:

TheMailMan78I can't argue with that.....

Fixed that for you buddy! :toast:

We have two fanboys here. Who wants popcorn cause another flame war is gonna start soon.

I dislike Apple and their pricing scheme.

I did get to toy with a 13" MBA in the wild recently. I was impressed. I'd totally buy one if it wasn't so spendy, but it really is a nice little machine.

I'm certainly not an Apple fan, and would never buy one. But the sooner higher resolution displays get mainstream on the Macs, the sooner it will become standard on larger displays for PC. People should stop with the whole "1080p is enough", otherwise we will never see higher resolutions such as 4K being used on desktops...

We really need to get out of the 1080p rut.

I'm not caring much for the doctor arguments. But I will say this, every idevice I have that's transitioned to retina has been a night and day experience. It's nothing short of amazing to look at. Not going near the need/want or what professionals might use it.

If you get used to HD, you find SD harder to watch. If you get used to SSD load times, whenever you experience HDD you feel like your back in the dark ages. One day, the trolls here will get used to retina, it hasn't come yet, but it will.

And for a story which I'm not gonna lie, I have a good giggle every time I think about it.
Last year I was talking to my mother (79), when she mentioned she loved a thing her friend had, it was the book of kells on one of them tablet things (bless her!) I was delighted to hear this, because I never know what to buy her and she's completely technophobic. So, I got her an iPad and the app and she loved it. Forward a month and I'm visiting for the holidays and she tells me hers looks better than her friends (I knew immediately what was going on, trying to hold a grin back because there is no way to explain to her I'm imagining if the average troll could just be a fly on the wall right now). Last word was her friend was taking hers back to the shop to see if they could fix it (lol)

FourstaffI have bad news for you .... Apple's quality, while still somewhat better than your budget stuff, is no better than competition nowadays.

I've only owned laptops from Apple and HP. My 2004 Powerbook G4 still looks and functions like day 1. Same goes for my HP omnibook XE2 which I bought in 2000... :toast:

If all laptops are built like this nowdays then that's awesome!

zAAmPeople should stop with the whole "1080p is enough", otherwise we will never see higher resolutions such as 4K being used on desktops...

We really need to get out of the 1080p rut.

Give me please a single GPU video card that can play Crysis or BF3 at +60fps with FULL details on a 4K resolution, and nobody will complain for having extreme resolutions on PCs or laptops. ;)

Take apart a Macbook Pro and replace the keyboard. There are at least 80 screws you have to take out and put back in just to remove the keyboard itself not including the screws you have to remove to take everything out of the laptop to get to the keyboard. Trust me, there is no glue in these machines to hold it together. :p

Prima.VeraGive me please a single GPU video card that can play Crysis or BF3 at +60fps with FULL details on a 4K resolution, and nobody will complain for having extreme resolutions on PCs or laptops. ;)

Find me dual GPU solutions that can do this, I think you would still be hard pressed.

Honestly, I don't see how a 13" laptop would be useful in a professional environment in the first place. I'm not saying it's not possible to work on a 13" laptop, but I don't see it being the best option in any case. Whether it be a high resolution retina display, or a low resolution normal display, the screen itself is just too small. A tablet / desktop PC combination seems just so much more versatile. Table for portability / showing stuff to people, and desktop PC for actual production. :)

edit: I'm not specifying anything when it comes to the choice of tablet and computer, mind you. Those could be Apple, or MS, or anything else. I'm just talking about screen size and convenience here :P

KantasticDid someone say glue?

Go M$oft! Best company! Highest quality! Sells 64GB tablet and only provides 50% of the available space! Sells Surface Pro for more than an iPad! Takes a higher percentage of sales than Apple from the application store! #1 company!



It's not your fault that most Apple haters care only about resolution and SPEKZ!@!!! so don't apologize.

LOOK AT THIS SIMILAR PRICED MACHINE WITH 10X BETTER SPEKZq@@!! NOW LOOK AT MACBOOK AIR LOL RIPOFF

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wow super fanboy and apple hater. Why would you ever cross shop a MacBook Air with a G75 or equivalent? do you realize that the super slim form factor is a premium? do you realize that the G75 is not portable? I had a G74 so I know. I sold it because it just does not fit anywhere. Not to mention there are so many problems with both G74/75 models. Let's not even get into battery life and the superior screen.

aceraceWe have two fanboys here. Who wants popcorn cause another flame war is gonna start soon.

^^Agreed

I don't understand why people can accept 720p and up on a 4.6-5" phone screen and think it looks fantastic. Then turn around and say 1560p on a 13" screen is too much? Do you realize they both come out to about the same dpi?

I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that some people enjoy a high res screen on their laptop for whatever they use without the need for hardcore gaming. Maybe these stupid fanboy gamers like to be cheated with the cheaper screens and think games still looks great.

Do I still dislike Apple's business practices? yes.

Do I hate their high quality products that forced the rest of the computing industry to produce higher quality hardware/software to compete with them? absolutely not! Apple is the reason why we have 1200p tablets, 1080p+ laptops at a lower price. Some manufacturers actually has 1080p as the standard screen on their laptop now. We were stuck at 720/768p for a decade with low quality low angle screens.

Will i buy this MBA? no, but I'm sure Asus or whoever will come out with something to compete with it and I'll pick that up. OSX is still not as useful to me as Windows.

tokyoduongI don't understand why people can accept 720p and up on a 4.6-5" phone screen and think it looks fantastic. Then turn around and say 1560p on a 13" screen is too much? Do you realize they both come out to about the same dpi?

But Phones are no longer just phones. They are also cameras.

QuantosHonestly, I don't see how a 13" laptop would be useful in a professional environment in the first place. I'm not saying it's not possible to work on a 13" laptop, but I don't see it being the best option in any case. Whether it be a high resolution retina display, or a low resolution normal display, the screen itself is just too small. A tablet / desktop PC combination seems just so much more versatile. Table for portability / showing stuff to people, and desktop PC for actual production. :)

You obviously have not have to do any real work that is beyond the office. Where I work and most of my friends require high res, reliable, portable laptop. They have a dock on their desk and need to be able to grab their computer, throw it in their bag and move quickly. This is true in a lot of corporate environment if you're worth anything more than a data entry clerk.
To name a few medical professionals(doctors, nurses, surgeons, bio labs, etc...), scientific researchers(physicists, hydrologists, chemists, etc...), statisticians, real estate agents, lawyers, any legal professionals more than a clerk, high level managers, photographers, accountants, logistics management etc.... the list goes on and on

I'm sorry if you're a data entry clerk or a cashier somewhere that does not benefit on a high quality laptop and can't even afford it but there are plenty of people that do. Apple sold millions to people where spending 1.4k on a laptop is not a big deal. Some will buy it for enjoyment but some will use it for actual work. Either way, having a high res screen on something that will fit in an envelope and gets excellent battery life is never a bad thing.

WhiteLotusBut Phones are no longer just phones. They are also cameras.

And what is your point??!! we're talking about screen res/size = dpi and its utilization. Why can't you accept that 1560p i useful?

if you depend on your phone to be a real camera then you're as dumb as the guy that compares a mba to a gaming dtr because its specs are better. An 8 mp on a camera is worthless. Anything above 3 MP on a phone is worthless simply because of the pinhole they call a lens. If you want to take real photos, no phone will ever come close to the same league as a real camera.

tokyoduongYou obviously have not have to do any real work that is beyond the office. Where I work and most of my friends require high res, reliable, portable laptop. They have a dock on their desk and need to be able to grab their computer, throw it in their bag and move quickly. This is true in a lot of corporate environment if you're worth anything more than a data entry clerk.
To name a few medical professionals(doctors, nurses, surgeons, bio labs, etc...), scientific researchers(physicists, hydrologists, chemists, etc...), statisticians, real estate agents, lawyers, any legal professionals more than a clerk, high level managers, photographers, accountants, logistics management etc.... the list goes on and on

I'm sorry if you're a data entry clerk or a cashier somewhere that does not benefit on a high quality laptop and can't even afford it but there are plenty of people that do. Apple sold millions to people where spending 1.4k on a laptop is not a big deal. Some will buy it for enjoyment but some will use it for actual work. Either way, having a high res screen on something that will fit in an envelope and gets excellent battery life is never a bad thing.

Wouldn't 13" be slightly too small? You're quite right, I don't need the portability myself, so I've not experienced the various possibilities personally. I'm just curious, though. I understand the advantage of 13" is of course greater portability and convenience, but it just seems awfully small to me. Of course, I guess a good part of it might also be personal preference (or health, perhaps some people's eyes just cannot deal with smaller monitors). Anyway, personally I have a feeling I'd rather have a 15" laptop monitor.

tokyoduongAnd what is your point??!! we're talking about screen res/size = dpi and its utilization. Why can't you accept that 1560p i useful?

if you depend on your phone to be a real camera then you're as dumb as the guy that compares a mba to a gaming dtr because its specs are better. An 8 mp on a camera is worthless. Anything above 3 MP on a phone is worthless simply because of the pinhole they call a lens. If you want to take real photos, no phone will ever come close to the same league as a real camera.

I never said that a 1560p isn't useful....?

And by your logic, I could say that if you depend on a 13inch laptop to display a high res picture, you too are a dumb guy.
Swings and roundabouts!
If YOU think that a 13inch display is right, then you go ahead and spend your money. I however do not think that I would want a 13inch display for that amount of money.

QuantosWouldn't 13" be slightly too small? You're quite right, I don't need the portability myself, so I've not experienced the various possibilities personally. I'm just curious, though. I understand the advantage of 13" is of course greater portability and convenience, but it just seems awfully small to me. Of course, I guess a good part of it might also be personal preference (or health, perhaps some people's eyes just cannot deal with smaller monitors). Anyway, personally I have a feeling I'd rather have a 15" laptop monitor.

perfect example is just go look at ipad2 and ipad3. I have both so I know. I used to think that high res on anything below 24" monitor is not useful until I actually started using it. My eyes actually doesn't feel as strained and i get less headaches. Your brain adapts and fill in a lot of missing information on crappy screen. For example, everyone has 2 blind spots(1 in each eye) and your brain fills in that missing information. The other example is when viewing something blurry it takes longer read because your brain has to work harder. People with glaucoma doesn't realize they are losing their vision until it's far too late because their brain adapts and fill in the blind spots. It's better not to stress 2 of the most useful organs on your body on a daily basis. You'll feel it after you pass 30.

WhiteLotusI never said that a 1560p isn't useful....?

And by your logic, I could say that if you depend on a 13inch laptop to display a high res picture, you too are a dumb guy.
Swings and roundabouts!
If YOU think that a 13inch display is right, then you go ahead and spend your money. I however do not think that I would want a 13inch display for that amount of money.

Im dumb because you cannot accept other people's view point?
You just throw in cameras in a discussion about screens and then get your butt hurt because of your hate on an apple product? who's the dumb one here?
No I will not buy the MBA, I will wait for a mature Winidows equivalent as I have thousands of $$ worth of software on windows platform. Like I said, if Asus decides to make an equivalent product then I will jump on it. I do prefer a 14" better as it doesn't slide around as much in my bag.

tokyoduongIm dumb because you cannot accept other people's view point?
You just throw in cameras in a discussion about screens and then get your butt hurt because of your hate on an apple product? who's the dumb one here?

LOL hate an apple product. Where did you get that from?

WhiteLotusBut Phones are no longer just phones. They are also cameras.

WhiteLotusLOL hate an apple product. Where did you get that from?

Lol wtf is the point of posting this? You sir are now in trolling zone.


1560p on 13 in is the same as 720p on 4.6in screen. People only have a problem with this MBA with high res because it's apple that came out with it first in a mainstream device. Please take your fanboy/trolling hats off and accept the fact the the windows/pc side will catch up later in the year or next year and we all can enjoy high res quality screens at an affordable price. I wholeheartedly welcome this MBA even though i'll never buy one.

tokyoduongLol wtf is the point of posting this? You sir are now in trolling zone.


1560p on 13 in is the same as 720p on 4.6in screen. People only have a problem with this MBA with high res because it's apple that came out with it first in a mainstream device. Please take your fanboy/trolling hats off and accept the fact the the windows/pc side will catch up later in the year or next year and we all can enjoy high res quality screens at an affordable price. I wholeheartedly welcome this MBA even though i'll never buy one.

Phones are having another use, they are being used to take pictures, some times brilliant pictures, and so the higher resolution on a phone can allow you to see if the picture you have just taken is any good. Although I think that a HD display on a phone too is somewhat completely overkill, I think it has more merit than a 13inch laptop. Do you see my argument now? And also, just because I don't think a 13inch HD display has merit, does not mean I hate apple. I sir hate apple for entirely different reasons!