SteevoM$ haters f*** off

agreed

if set up and maintained properly windows is a very solid os.

The latest beta of vista imo works very well, especially for a beta product :)

Sure vista is going to be expensive but nowt we can do about that... moaning won't help :p

Doesn't bother me though, I'll get the "Super-de-duper Server Ultra Extreme Edition" as zekrahminator so beautifully put it free from my uni :D

xylomnagreed

if set up and maintained properly windows is a very solid os.

The latest beta of vista imo works very well, especially for a beta product :)

Sure vista is going to be expensive but nowt we can do about that... moaning won't help :p

Doesn't bother me though, I'll get the "Super-de-duper Server Ultra Extreme Edition" as zekrahminator so beautifully put it free from my uni :D

Well, from the look of your specs, it looks like you could afford it anyway...

My sandwich is all gone :(

Well a number of sources actually suggest that Windows is more secure than Unix/Linux systems, including Mac OSX. The difference is that people aren't going to hack the smaller percentage of users because there is less to be gained. It's like the Firefox/ IE debate. Firefox probably has more flaws than IE but they are only just coming to light because it has gained popularity over the last few months.

Windows XP is undoubtably the best OS for the vast majority of computer users and is the most compatible OS in the world hardware/ software wise. I think XP and Vista are both brilliant, but human nature is to hate someone else for imperfections in what is probably the best out there. I don't hate M$, I dislike the way they are so rich and powerful but in all fairness to them they have earnt it and there are many more corrupt companies in the world than them.

FrickBill's supposed to quit soon, right?

He has stepped down, & handed Mr. S. Ballmer his former title iirc, CEO... & Ray Ozzie is now taking a HUGE role as well as "software architect" (role Mr. Gates later assumed), see here, current as of today (10/05/2006) for your reference/FYI from "WIRED" magazine, a reliable source:

Rebuilding Microsoft

www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.10/microsoft.html

Jim Allchin's on his way out too... remember - these guys? They're OLD by now, even older (lol) than me!

:)

* Decent read I suppose... place, imo @ least, won't be the same w/out "King Billy" @ the helm... but, I'd wager he STILL has a HUGE SAY (if not controlling stock interest @ 51% or better, in MS, no matter what)...

APK

P.S.=> I don't get it though, why folks "hate" Mr. Gates... he's literally changed the world & how we think & communicate!

E.G.'s - Windows is VERY reliable now, & getting better all the time... Office apps are great stuff, period, & the MOST widely used in fact in that arena! Ms development tools, good stuff!

Yes - MS 'brain drained' Borland SO BADLY over the past decade or so to make it so, & even other companies like DEC too (Windows NT-based OS chief architect & his team from Digital in Dave Cutler)...

From Borland they succeeded in "stealing" one of the best designers in the world from Borland in Mr. Anders Heijelsberg in fact (designer of Delphi, best tool there is imo still) & he designed Visual Studio & C#, which are good stuff (though interpreted, this bugs me some, slower & more bloated, but VERY sound code development & more because of it)!

Also, yes, Ms bought up a LOT of software or licensed code for it legally (FrontPage, SQLServer (w/ Sybase iirc), Visio, & more in licensing like Terminal Server (Citrix), Executive Software (native defragger in NT-based OS since Win2k), Symantec code by the droves since Win3.11, etc., Virtual PC & more).

Sure, MS pulled a "dirty deal" on Apple, definitely... but, Apple tried to do the engineers & entire Xerox corp. wrong imo, but they were freely allowed to do so!

However, in the end? If you have seen the film "Pirates of Silicon Valley", you see the end... Gates was RIGHT (addressing Steve Jobs about "We have a rich neighbor, in Xerox... you went to rob his house & steal his T.V. but only found you were too late: I already got the loot!")

ABOVE ALL, Try to remember this saying guys: "GOOD Artists COPY - & GREAT ARTISTS STEAL"... or in Ms' case many times, buyout great artists ideas.

You want to "hate" folks in this field? Look @ ALL THE DISASSEMBLERS & CODE THIEVES OUT THERE PASSING OFF OTHERS' IDEAS & HARDWORK AS THEIR OWN... some 'great accomplishment'? B.S.! It's thievery, point-blank...

Want me to name a few names practicing this & getting fame for it? Just ask...

Lots of this goes on, it is laughable, but as long as we get better tools from even THAT (disassembly)? Well, we benefit as consumers... let the legal folks handle the code-thievery!

The ONLY "legit" use of disassemblers (code debuggers like NuMega stuff, & yes, MS CodeView) is for checking on how VIRUS of all types work & perhaps 'tracing' your own code, but ONLY YOUR OWN CODE... other than that? None... apk

Alec§taarP.S.=> I don't get it though, why folks "hate" Mr. Gates... he's literally changed the world & how we think & communicate!

E.G.'s - Windows is VERY reliable now, & getting better all the time... Office apps are great stuff, period, & the MOST widely used in fact in that arena! Ms development tools, good stuff!

The only reasons I can see to hate Mr.Gates is his money (which he earned the hard way), his copy protection (extremely effective), and his expensive software (retail copys of Windows cost at least $200 :eek:).

zekrahminatorThe only reasons I can see to hate Mr.Gates is his money (which he earned the hard way), his copy protection (extremely effective), and his expensive software (retail copys of Windows cost at least $200 :eek:).

That's the main issue I have with Microsoft. I mean, who can afford Office these days? I use OpenOffice right now, and it's VERY good, but I REALLY miss Excel.

I got a torrent of Office 2003 Professional. So...bite me Mr. Gates

Windows is beautiful but expensive. In fact i really think it eats up alot on low-end users as it can be a real bomb in the pocket. Lets just say low-end users that doesn't really know much about computer stuff in running a open source like linux.

Windows prices are nuts. Lets face it, all apart from the insanely computer illiterate are going to buy the best "version" of Windows because otherwise they feel cheated out of features and feel they bought an incomplete product. Even now XP Pro retails for about £105 inc postage online, and in the stores easily £125 - £140 still. Just think back to when XP Pro was released, I tend to recall prices of £240+, no thanks microshit.