Sony Xperia SActually, China is one of the best partners in the world now because their strategy is very customer-oriented with high quality products which correspond to the western products but are at a fraction of their cost.

One of the most prefered and valued partners (better than working with expensive western europe products) and I will push for strong partnership in that direction.

In this case it is absolutely fair that China was and will be the world's top economy.

Most of the products that come out of China are junk. You get what you pay for Sony Xperia. That's how it works. You work for money to live or someone is supporting you with their money. Wanting money isn't evil.

64KMost of the products that come out of China are junk. You get what you pay for Sony Xperia. That's how it works. You work for money to live or someone is supporting you with their money. Wanting money isn't evil.

Yea "High quality" and "Chinese" don't belong in same sentence let along paragraph. Cost to make stuff in china is going up, its near point its same price as it is to make it in country you are selling it. Costs in china are still going up cause wages and shrinking work force, Pollution is also another nasty problem over there too.

Way things are going we'll need a new third world country as a source of cheap labor, we've already had made in Japan, Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan, next it will be electronics from Bangladesh.

rooivalkBelieve me man, you need some medications.

An evil troll detected.


And yeah, wanting money in excess quantity, which you do not need for living or surviving, or to push your power upon others, is nothing but evil.

Here, I will excuse, all of you, because probably you have NO CLUE what China manufactures and exports. Probably you see only the cheap Chinese toys for under 1$ and that's why you think everything they sell lacks quality.

Which is some serious ignorance.

Please just stop. Your opinion has been well stated in multiple threads and multiple posts within those threads. You are derailing this thread. Move along.

That will be great if NVIDIA launch full GM200 with 6GB.
No way something to force me on 4GB card. Such good model not exist.
And I think AMD is completely crazy if they launch R9-390X 4GB but people should stop to talk about AMD before they launch card. They need 8GB card, special because they will not launch next generations so fast as NVIDIA. But maybe is their plan to customers feel lack on 4GB and to upgrade later on 8GB version, same as R9-290X 8GB.
It's enough of their rumors, and 4GB at the end of 2015 will be same as now 3GB or even worse.
Under 6GB not interest me, and that's not perfect size, even if now look enough, but for someone who don't want to upgrade on every 12-24 months and that's not perfect size. I would say 8-12GB is ideal for long term.

HammerONPlease just stop. Your opinion has been well stated in multiple threads and multiple posts within those threads. You are derailing this thread. Move along.

Can't you just ban him? He contributes nothing to this forum, all he ever does is troll.

Vlada011That will be great if NVIDIA launch full GM200 with 6GB.
No way something to force me on 4GB card. Such good model not exist.
And I think AMD is completely crazy if they launch R9-390X 4GB but people should stop to talk about AMD before they launch card. They need 8GB card, special because they will not launch next generations so fast as NVIDIA. But maybe is their plan to customers feel lack on 4GB and to upgrade later on 8GB version, same as R9-290X 8GB.
It's enough of their rumors, and 4GB at the end of 2015 will be same as now 3GB or even worse.
Under 6GB not interest me, and that's not perfect size, even if now look enough, but for someone who don't want to upgrade on every 12-24 months and that's not perfect size. I would say 8-12GB is ideal for long term.

There will be 8gb model as well, but since new memory they are using, if 700$ is base 4gb price, 8gb probably be 900-1000$ range. gddr5 4gb to 8gb was 120$ premium last i looked a few weeks ago but that is gddr5 ram which is plentiful. The AMD slide that was leaked and they had here on the TPU, said "up to 8gb" so would support a 4gb version.

N3M3515Whoever said that amd is doing bad because they sell cheaper than nvidia is dead wrong.

More a case of AMD sell cheaper because they are not in a dominant position. Selling cheaper then impacts ASP's and ultimately revenue, which leads to less resources available for R&D, which translate to longer product cycles - and old product is a tough sell when you don't have top of the mind branding. The latest R&D figuresreflect those companies leading their respective markets, and carrying little or no debt burden to drain funds away from their product cadence. AMD are caught in a brutal economic cause and effect situation.

qubitThey still haven't paid for ATI? WTF?! :wtf: AMD sounds like a basket case.

AMD paid $5.4bn for ATI, which was twice what it was actually worth. AMD sustained a couple of hefty write-downs - a $1.68bn impairment chargein Q4 2007, and a further $880m in Q2 2008- basically half ATI's sale price. Covering that loss has meant AMD carrying debt (currently at $2.04bn) to the current day and for some years to come.
AMD would undoubtedly be a vastly different company had Ruiz paid closer to ATI's actual worth, or worked out a deal to licence ATI's graphics IP.

arbiterYea rumor says 980ti is probably 700$ which it would be about right. But Rumor is that is price point for 390x, if its base card from amd's slides it will be 4gb card. At that point does comes to performance if they run neck and neck which sounds like they will, won't be good for AMD if that 390x uses power it looks like it could use.

The first order of business is to be competitive performance wise. AMD will incur higher costs - an AIO, HBM + large interposer aren't cheap in comparison to GDDR5's commodity pricing and the now-standard Nvidia blower shroud. Estimates seem to put HBM alone at twice the relative cost per bit of LPDDR3/LPDDR4(which is fairly pricy in itself)

...but at this point, AMD has little option if they want to make a run at maintaining a viable halo product and its trickle down marketing effect on the rest of the product stack.

As for the GTX 980 Ti - It is nothing less than expected. Hopefully the 390X lives up to its billing and both cards allow the enthusiast to actually be enthusiastic for a change.

HumanSmokeSelling cheaper then impacts ASP's and ultimately revenue, which leads to less resources available for R&D, which translate to longer product cycles - and old product is a tough sell when you don't have top of the mind branding.

Guys, we are asked not to derail the thread. Why do you analyse AMD?!

Selling cheaper equals to higher number of sales. Selling more expensive naturally tends to decrease the sales quantity.

So, basically you are speaking about all equal conditions which I doubt will happen at this point.

Sony Xperia SGuys, we are asked not to derail the thread. Why do you analyse AMD?!

You mean the same way that you posted some not-at-all relevant bench concerning the AMD 290X, and some AMD marketing boilerplate, that even the article authors asserted wasn't a comparative study?....and has absolutely nothing to do with an unreleased Nvidia card that is the topic of this thread...

Sony Xperia SI know something which nvidia won't like a lot: it turns out that under DX12 the R9 290X is faster than GTX 980 by the significant 33%.
Published by AMD Gaming in FB:
Good news: the results of the PC Perspective 3DMark API Overhead Feature Test are out. Best News: The AMD Radeon™ R9 290X graphics card delivers up to 33% higher performance than others. Game on.

:confused:

Sony Xperia SSelling cheaper equals to higher number of sales.

That would be false in this situation. AMD hasn't outsold Nvidia since the former began selling discrete graphics cards

Sony Xperia SGuys, we are asked not to derail the thread. Why do you analyse AMD?!

Selling cheaper equals to higher number of sales. Selling more expensive naturally tends to decrease the sales quantity.

So, basically you are speaking about all equal conditions which I doubt will happen at this point.

Are you familiar with the expression "digging your own grave"?

Stop digging. You've already hit the cesspit of disaster I predicted, and went a whole lot deeper still.

Vlada011That will be great if NVIDIA launch full GM200 with 6GB.
No way something to force me on 4GB card. Such good model not exist.
And I think AMD is completely crazy if they launch R9-390X 4GB but people should stop to talk about AMD before they launch card. They need 8GB card, special because they will not launch next generations so fast as NVIDIA. But maybe is their plan to customers feel lack on 4GB and to upgrade later on 8GB version, same as R9-290X 8GB.
It's enough of their rumors, and 4GB at the end of 2015 will be same as now 3GB or even worse.
Under 6GB not interest me, and that's not perfect size, even if now look enough, but for someone who don't want to upgrade on every 12-24 months and that's not perfect size. I would say 8-12GB is ideal for long term.

Well if we are to believe the leaks there will be a 4gb and 8gb model which we can either view in two different ways (IMHO).

1: There will be a 4gb R9 390 and then an 8gb R9 390X
2: There will be a 4gb R9 390X and 8gb R9 390X with the R9 390 being a mystery still.

Either way, with the GTX 980ti/GTX 990/GTX Whatever coming in at $700 as well (Rumors proving true on both ends), its going to be a tough battle and come down to performance and who does it better. If its 4gb versus 6gb with similar performance at that price point, then the 6gb is going to obviously be the better value...

I think its still too early to decide on either card what they are going to be like. However since we already have a taste of the GTX Titan X's performance, we can take a stab at where the GTX 980ti is going to fall being most likely a better overclocked model and having more flexibility in overclocking. Hopefully it will also get a memory speed bump as well...

@Sony Xperia S: Can you please STOP derailing this topic? Your mentality & irrelevancy is killing it. We're talking about rumors of a soon-to-be unveiled pixel pusher from a premium vendor, not demoting it like it's the end of the world with some 3rd rate, not so trustworthy intel about the market ecology.

@GhostRyder: I think there is a possibility of releases in that manner since 8GB variants tend to be released a few months after the 4GB models. As for the R9 390 non-X release... it's still too early to tell. Stories regarding about the GTX980Ti's release will be a popular/heated topic among forumers who are anticipating it, especially who are waiting patiently for it instead of resorting to acquiring the GTX970 for their major upgrades as moving to the 980 Ti from a few months old VGA card (like the said 970) has a very small real world gain.

Tsukiyomi91Stories regarding about the GTX980Ti's release will be a popular/heated topic among forumers who are anticipating it, especially who are waiting patiently for it

Absolutely this. Titan wasn't fast enough for me to upgrade for now but if the 390X or 980ti (or whatever) doesn't beat it in Summer, I'll be getting a Titan. Then I'll have to void the waranty with a waterblock and a custom bios to get silly levels of awesome. See this for evidence.

VideoCardz is saying it may be as late as September before the 980 Ti is released. A little over 5 months. :(

videocardz.com/55299/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-to-be-released-after-summer

I suspect we will see some R9 3xx cards before then.

Well, for me my GTX970 G1 Gaming on single 1080p display is more than enough to push most games at Very High to Max without problems. Upgrading to the 980Ti won't give me much differences since I OCed it to be as fast as the base 980. WindForce 3X + 1.4GHz (core) with Boost FTW =D

64KVideoCardz is saying it may be as late as September before the 980 Ti is released. A little over 5 months. :(

videocardz.com/55299/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-to-be-released-after-summer

I suspect we will see some R9 3xx cards before then.

I think i EXPECT they will wait until after the 390x release. No reason for them to release before then. And, that's about how long the Titan was on the market before the 780 release.

@the54thvoid I think getting 2 units of custom GTX970 in SLI would be a better & cheaper alternative unless your budget has no qualms of getting a Titan... but benchmark numbers on this site stated that on resolutions from 1080p onwards, the Titan X is just a few percent behind SLIed 970s, all the way to 4K across demanding games. Also, once DX12 comes to us, the gains of using a mid range card will be as good as a high end card where true enthusiasts will buy it, but then again such performance gain is purely depends on whether the developers are willing to adopt the new API engine or not, which is a different thing. Well, I wish you luck getting any of the 2~ ^^

@rtwjunkie well... only time will tell. All we can do is wait. =w=

OK, you have been asked nicely to stop the derail by a Moderator already, and more AMD/NVidia "who's best" crap derailment that occurs from here on in will result in a posting holiday. By all means discuss speculation on the news topic which for those of you that have not noticed..... is about NVidia and a GTX 980Ti launch...... thank you.

GhostRyderWell if we are to believe the leaks there will be a 4gb and 8gb model which we can either view in two different ways (IMHO).

1: There will be a 4gb R9 390 and then an 8gb R9 390X
2: There will be a 4gb R9 390X and 8gb R9 390X with the R9 390 being a mystery still.

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It says "up to 8gb" so likely to be 4gb one 4gb one to start is pretty much confirmed by AMD itself.

New flagship from AMD is roughly 50% bump from 290X (taking higher clocks into account) just like TitanX (and other GM200 beasts like soon to be 980Ti) is 50% bump from 980 ... so they will roughly have the same performance as always ... I just hope AMD improved efficiency enough

Tsukiyomi91@GhostRyder: I think there is a possibility of releases in that manner since 8GB variants tend to be released a few months after the 4GB models. As for the R9 390 non-X release... it's still too early to tell. Stories regarding about the GTX980Ti's release will be a popular/heated topic among forumers who are anticipating it, especially who are waiting patiently for it instead of resorting to acquiring the GTX970 for their major upgrades as moving to the 980 Ti from a few months old VGA card (like the said 970) has a very small real world gain.

Indeed, lots of speculation and even with what is known so far that could all change at the drop of a hat.

arbiter\
It says "up to 8gb" so likely to be 4gb one 4gb one to start is pretty much confirmed by AMD itself.

Yes...I have seen the slide and am well aware of what they said. There are lots of things not listed however and at least a couple of months before these are out in the public which means its subject to change. That is why I said I saw only two options remaining (IMHO) for the cards based on what was known (IE there will be a 4gb and 8gb 390X, or the 390 will be the 4gb and the 390X will be the 8gb). All we see from the charts are "Up to 8gb" and the mention that its the R9 390X/WCE which could all change.

rtwjunkieI think i EXPECT they will wait until after the 390x release. No reason for them to release before then. And, that's about how long the Titan was on the market before the 780 release.

That is what I think personally, no reason to release the GTX 980ti unless they intentionally want to shut down the Titan X from being purchased.

Somewhere in one of these GM200 threads a member here listed the value of 12 GB VRAM for various uses other than gaming even without DP. I don't keep up with using a video card for work so I don't know but maybe the Titan X with 12 GB will still be relevant to those customers even after the 980 Ti drops.

Let's just hope the specifications turn out to be what Nvidia state they will be. We don't want another repeat of the 970 memory issue :)