wiakthe reason vista crashed was nvidia, anyhow even amd users has issues with chrome so its more of an google issue with their uber fast release cycle

@Mussels i see you ye maty!

Wait, I do? Haven't noticed yet!

wiakthe reason vista crashed was nvidia

Vista crashed from all types of hardware drivers, it wasn't just nVidia. Don't kid yourself, I got plenty of ATI*.sys crashes in Vista, but printers and network drivers were by far the worst. HP drivers for Vista were absolute garbage, their 64-bit drivers probably caused 9 out of 10 crashes in Vista x64. In fact, I'd blame HP for single handedly keeping 32-bit Windows alive. If it wasn't for the need to use 32-bit version so people/businesses could use their HP printers, there probably woudln't have even been a 32-bit version of Windows 7 and definitely not 8.

R-T-BAnything newer seems pathetically buggy...

I think that's a pretty big over exaggeration. They introduce one minor bug, and fix it a month later, and now their drivers are pathetically buggy?

I wouldn't trust most of the people complaining about browsers HW acceleration breaking and TDR issues unless they've cleaned their old drivers and reinstalled from scratch.

And I don't mean "perform a clean installation" clean, but DDU clean.

Agree, any nvidia problems (except for the GSYNC monitor, use either DSR or SLI problem)

use DSR and SLI but not on a GSYNC monitor...
use a GSYNC monitor and SLI but not with DSR...
use a GSYNC Monitor and DSR but not with SLI...

in any case, i use the custom install/ clean install option all the time when i install the nvidia driver...

redeyeI hope Nvidia's win10 drivers are top-shelf... Because i am going to upgrade to the "free" win10 from win 8.1. july 29...

Nvidia's Vista drivers where pretty bad you know
www.techpowerup.com/56282/nvidia-responsible-for-the-most-vista-crashes.html

wiakNvidia's Vista drivers where pretty bad you know
www.techpowerup.com/56282/nvidia-responsible-for-the-most-vista-crashes.html

Vista was a completely different driver model from XP. Windows 10 uses the same driver model 8 did, which uses the same driver model 7 did, which uses the same driver model Vista did. Before "official" Win10 drivers were put out, everyone was using Win8 drivers.

Not quite sure why everyone seems to think Win10 will be fundamentally different from 8(or 7), there really isn't a whole lot changing.

newtekie1Vista was a completely different driver model from XP. Windows 10 uses the same driver model 8 did, which uses the same driver model 7 did, which uses the same driver model Vista did. Before "official" Win10 drivers were put out, everyone was using Win8 drivers.

Not quite sure why everyone seems to think Win10 will be fundamentally different from 8(or 7), there really isn't a whole lot changing.

WDDM 2.0 isn't a lot different from WDDM 1.3? That's not what I've heard.

R-T-BWDDM 2.0 isn't a lot different from WDDM 1.3? That's not what I've heard.

Not nearly as big of a difference compared to WDDM and XP's driver model.

newtekie1Not nearly as big of a difference compared to WDDM and XP's driver model.

Ah, gotcha.

newtekie1Vista was a completely different driver model from XP. Windows 10 uses the same driver model 8 did, which uses the same driver model 7 did, which uses the same driver model Vista did. Before "official" Win10 drivers were put out, everyone was using Win8 drivers.

Not quite sure why everyone seems to think Win10 will be fundamentally different from 8(or 7), there really isn't a whole lot changing.

No, that's not true. W10 comes with WDDM 2.0 which is not in any way similar to 1.2 in W8. The difference between 10 and 8 is comparable to Vista vs XP.

W8, W7 and Vista all use 1.0 WDDM with added features. W10 has a different driver model built from WDDM 1.3 (8.1).

**8.1 was meant to completely virtualize video memory but it didn't happen. This will be addressed in 2.0, among other things.

Pill MonsterNo, that's not true. W10 comes with WDDM 2.0 which is not in any way similar to 1.2 in W8. The difference between 10 and 8 is comparable to Vista vs XP.

W8, W7 and Vista all use 1.0 WDDM with added features. W10 has a different driver model built from WDDM 1.3 (8.1).

**8.1 was meant to completely virtualize video memory but it didn't happen. This will be addressed in 2.0, among other things.

WDDM 2.0 is just an addition on top of 1.3, that is why WDDM 1.3 drivers still work on Windows 10.

newtekie1WDDM 2.0 is just an addition on top of 1.3, that is why WDDM 1.3 drivers still work on Windows 10.

That's what I just said.

As far as 8.1 drivers go you can install onW10 just fine, however WDDM 2.0 features aren't accessible.
After RTM they will be universal for 10 & 8.1, but on 8.1 you'll be limited to WDDM 1.3.