Monday, August 17th 2015

License Agreement Confusion Causes Misinformation over Windows 10 Overreach

Over the last weekend there's been quite some misinformation doing the rounds, stating that a license agreement you agreed to before upgrading to Windows 10, allows Microsoft to remotely disable pirated software (eg: games, apps). This may have caused fence-sitters on the Windows 10 upgrade to decide to stay on older platforms, and for some to even revert to their older Windows 7 installations. It turns out, that the situation has been grossly misread.

Microsoft Services EULA is the one which states that Microsoft may "prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices," however, this is not the license that governs your Windows installation. It only pertains to "Microsoft Services" (Windows Store content, Xbox Live, live tiles, etc.) The license governing Windows is the MSLT (Microsoft Software License Terms), and so there won't be a case of Microsoft reaching out to disable pirated software from running on Windows. Source: Windows Central
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29 Comments on License Agreement Confusion Causes Misinformation over Windows 10 Overreach

#1
Sakurai
Don't mind me, just selling my popcorn over here
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#2
rak526
It's as if some media sources make their titles as outlandish as possible to get more views. No. That can't be true.
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#3
Joss
The privacy concerns surrounding Win 10 are grave enough without false alarms.
This only allows Microsoft to say "see, it's mostly exaggeration, we're not really spying on you".
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#4
Easo
rak526, post: 3331758, member: 62940"
It's as if some media sources make their titles as outlandish as possible to get more views. No. That can't be true.
But it works, just take a look at all those threads "Win10 steals everything from you!"
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#5
ShurikN
Easo, post: 3331768, member: 70901"
But it works, just take a look at all those threads "Win10 steals everything from you!"
As if older versions of Win didn't spy on you at all...
Also, haven't pirated a game for ~3 years. And I live in fucking Serbia...
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#6
AsRock
TPU addict
ShurikN, post: 3331795, member: 140585"
As if older versions of Win didn't spy on you at all...
Also, haven't pirated a game for ~3 years. And I live in fucking Serbia...
Make it sound like your on a 10 step program, so no cookies here.
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#7
micropage7
yeah, M$ try to fix the interface and ruin the other, and this is what happen then
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#8
Kostner Rentsok
Would be nice to have M$ issue an official statement !

With all due respect for techpowerup :)

Till then, my win 8.1 stays :)
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#9
micropage7
Kostner Rentsok, post: 3331823, member: 159415"
Would be nice to have M$ issue an official statement !

With all due respect for techpowerup :)

Till then, my win 8.1 stays :)
and many office still running XP, i keep my 7 for more
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#10
Octavean
Yeah I can see how this misinformation might have been a bit of a scare for people who misappropriate (AKA steal) their consumables.

For those of whom acquire their media through legitimate means not so much,....
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#11
Jack1n
Octavean, post: 3331843, member: 52351"
Yeah I can see how this misinformation might have been a bit of a scare for people who misappropriate (AKA steal) their consumables.

For those of whom acquire their media through legitimate means not so much,....
But then again Win10 can read your legitimate software as not legitimate because we all know MS engineers are far from perfect, also if you install mods or custom drivers it might disable them as well, its like saying we should all submit to random searches in our homes because we should have nothing to hide.
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#12
Darkleoco
Is there really any significant reason to upgrade to 10 if we are content on 7? Personally I'm just not sure the even slight hassle is worth my time.
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#13
harry90
if only windows 7 had DX12 support i wouldn't bother going 10. But then again if they add DX12 to win7 with an update i would still rollback! 7 is solid with no spying!
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#14
MakeDeluxe
Darkleoco, post: 3331901, member: 98743"
Is there really any significant reason to upgrade to 10 if we are content on 7? Personally I'm just not sure the even slight hassle is worth my time.
No reason to change until DX12 games start coming, which could take a few years
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#15
Octavean
That is actually a good point point. Microsoft makes mistakes all the time so its designed intention can go wrong in theory and in practice. Such logic can easily be applied to any mechanism that prevents or revokes Windows Activation for example but we have been living with it for years upon years.

So I'll say again. As the story was misinterpreted I can see how those misappropriating media would have been concerned,...with specificity.

The clarification:
Update: Microsoft's Services EULA is different from the one governing Windows (Microsoft Software License Terms), which means that the amendments Microsoft added recently were to protect against counterfeiting of Xbox Live and Windows Store content, and not monitoring (or disabling) illicit content on Windows 10.
This seems more like an extension of Microsoft's concerns with respect to making sure Windows is genuine at least in terms of the agenda. I see nothing specific with respect to drivers here.

Having said that, one would think that third parties would want to get in on this as well if it proves to be an effective deterrent.

Overall I'm still not concerned though.
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#16
Ahhzz
Octavean, post: 3331843, member: 52351"
Yeah I can see how this misinformation might have been a bit of a scare for people who misappropriate (AKA steal) their consumables.

For those of whom acquire their media through legitimate means not so much,....
Anyone that's ever had to deal with problems with a hardware key knows that its not just the illegitimate software that can cause an issue....And M$ is not exactly known for giving the benefit of the doubt... "Shoot first, ...... "yeah, then I got nothing....
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#17
Octavean
Ahhzz, post: 3331988, member: 49663"
Anyone that's ever had to deal with problems with a hardware key knows that its not just the illegitimate software that can cause an issue....And M$ is not exactly known for giving the benefit of the doubt... "Shoot first, ...... "yeah, then I got nothing....
Do you mean software key or maybe license key,....?

Not sure what you mean otherwise.
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#18
Ahhzz
Octavean, post: 3331996, member: 52351"
Do you mean software key or maybe license key,....?

Not sure what you mean otherwise.
No, I mean a hardware key. A dongle. A USB key. (http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/44111/hardware-key)
I've had several clients need these for various software packages, and at least half of them have had issues with them at one point or another, and until I get someone from their support team online, and in some cases, a replacement key in hand, they're dead in the water. Using legitimate software.
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#19
DeathtoGnomes
Darkleoco, post: 3331901, member: 98743"
Is there really any significant reason to upgrade to 10 if we are content on 7? Personally I'm just not sure the even slight hassle is worth my time.
directx 12? people are reporting small framerate increases.
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#20
Octavean
Ahhzz, post: 3332000, member: 49663"
No, I mean a hardware key. A dongle. A USB key. (http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/44111/hardware-key)
I've had several clients need these for various software packages, and at least half of them have had issues with them at one point or another, and until I get someone from their support team online, and in some cases, a replacement key in hand, they're dead in the water. Using legitimate software.
So you are saying you ran into this hardware key issue specifically because of Windows 10,...?
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#21
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
ShurikN, post: 3331795, member: 140585"
As if older versions of Win didn't spy on you at all...
Also, haven't pirated a game for ~3 years. And I live in fucking Serbia...
Lol I hear ya!!

So many ppl complain about W10 and how your privacy is gone, look at Google, face book yadda yadda, Sorry to say but your privacy was gone long before W10 came out. Google knows more about you then you know about yourself ;)

Enjoy W10 and how smooth and fast it is. Gaming for me has shown a nice noticable improvement, I love to bench and yes its faster.. I however am still on the fence, but I have about 2 weeks to go back to 7 but ATM I love 10 and don't think I'll even look back..
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#22
Blue-Knight
btarunr, post: 3331747, member: 43587"
and so there won't be a case of Microsoft reaching out to disable pirated software from running on Windows.
It would be the end of Windows. LOL!
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#23
JunkBear
I cant believe how many people who were happy with Win7 that complained of Win8 are now bashing Win7 after upgrading to 10. Bunch of fuckin hipsters.
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#24
Ahhzz
JunkBear, post: 3332110, member: 138051"
I cant believe how many people who were happy with Win7 that complained of Win8 are now bashing Win7 after upgrading to 10. Bunch of fuckin hipsters.
Really? I'd not seen any of those. I've seen a lot of "Sticking with 7, not touching 10 for awhile/ever", but not any bashing 7/loving 10.
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#25
Caring1
btarunr, post: 3331747, member: 43587"
It turns out, that the situation has been grossly misread.

Microsoft Services EULA is the one which states that Microsoft may "prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices," however, this is not the license that governs your Windows installation. It only pertains to "Microsoft Services" (Windows Store content, Xbox Live, live tiles, etc.) The license governing Windows is the MSLT (Microsoft Software License Terms), and so there won't be a case of Microsoft reaching out to disable pirated software from running on Windows.

Source: Windows Central
Yet this says otherwise:

Microsoft Windows 10 comes with yet another caveat. If you are running any pirated games or counterfeit software on your Windows 10 machine, then according to the latest addition to the End User Licence Agreement terms of conditions Microsoft has the power to remotely uninstall such software.

This statement was spotted by PC Authority in the EULA and lets Microsoft not only disable counterfeit software but also hardware. According to Section 7b or “Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms,” part of the Microsoft Services end user license agreement (EULA) it states that, “Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services.”
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