Wednesday, January 2nd 2019

Alleged AMD Ryzen 3000 Series CPU Lineup Leaked by Russian E-Tailer

Jan 2nd, 2019 14:35 Discuss (69 Comments)

As we're coming up on CES, cameos and details (but mostly speculation) on AMD's upcoming Ryzen 3000 series are becoming more and more ubiquitous. Not the least of which is the recent listing of what seems to be AMD's line-up for that same processor series. Based on the 7 nm process, AMD's "Matisse" Ryzen 3000 series will bring about an evolutionary change on the way AMD's processors are arranged, with the "chiplet" approach allowing for an even more streamlined, scalable, cheaper design that can go all the way from a relatively basic 4-core CPU (which could belong to the Athlon range) all the way up to an (allegedly) 16-core Ryzen 9 3800X.

And thus the floodgates are open. The leaked top of the food chain for AMD's Ryzen 3000 series is the Ryzen 9 3800X, which ups the tiers on AMD's lineup to four (Ryzen 3, 5, 7 and 9), and which reportedly ships with an incredible (remember this, if true, is being supported on the AM4 platform) 16-core, 32-thread, 3.9 GHz base, 4.7 GHz boost, and 125 W TDP processor. That's a Threadripper on the consumer segment, and you can bet it will go for much, much less than the original 16-core CPU went for.

The Ryzen 7 tier sees an increase to a 12-core, 24-thread design under the new 3000 serie; the Ryzen 7 3700X and 3700 feature the same core counts, but base and boost clocks of 4.2/5.0 GHz and 3.8/4.6 GHz. If true, this means that the 12-core Ryzen 7 3700X would see the highest ever core count and core clock on an AMD Ryzen 7 CPU, by a long margin. The 105 W and 95 W TDP on eachmodel, respectively, pale in comparison to their respective core counts and frequencies.

The Ryzen 5 now becomes the baseline for AMD's 8-core CPUs, with the 3600X and 3600 enjoying a 4.0/4.8 GHz and 3.6/4.4 GHz base and boost clocks, respectively. If the leaks are correct, an increase of 400 MHz in the Boost cock for an 8-core, "Matisse" design still requires an additional 30 W TDp headroom over the (expectedly and apparently) better positioned in the frequency/power curve Ryzen 5 3600, with its tightly controlled TDP of 65 W.

Finishing up AMD's Ryzen 3000 series lineup would be the 6-core, 12-thread Ryzen 3 3300X and 3300, running at 3.5/4.3 and 3.2/4.0 GHz clocks, in a 65 W and 50 W TDp package, respectively. Hold on to your hats. If these leaks are true (and take them with metric tons of salt), this could get either very ugly, or beautiful.

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69 Comments on Alleged AMD Ryzen 3000 Series CPU Lineup Leaked by Russian E-Tailer

#26

ironwolf

6C/12T @ 50W TDP? That's mighty mighty tasty yummy if true. :pimp:

#27

lexluthermiester

ZoneDymobs until confirmed legit yo

True. This is still fun speculation though.

@Raevenlord

TheLaughingManA few typos. In the paragraph about the Ryzen 7 tier, series is missing an 's' at the end of the first sentence. The next two paragraphs both have a "TDp" instead of a "TDP". Just a heads up.

This. Second heads up. Not trying to be dink's. Just pro your concern.

#28

Metroid

BoiseTechPrices of lower product lines will adjust for these newer SKU's. Additionally don't expect the 3xxx line to be "cheap" like 1xxx or 2xxx were. Now that they're towering over Intel, they'll charge for it.

This is a good point, selling cheaper while having an inferior product is something, selling cheap while having a superior product makes no sense in the business world but like always we"hope" that is the case right now. AMD might not overprice this generation, instead they will the next generation but by then we have a better competition from intel. I'm keen on that 3770x, 12 cores is more than enough for the next 3 years or so.

#29

chinmi

i hope this is true

#30

ViperXTR

Gigbyte also listed it it seems but was removed later on or just shopped

#31

Captain_Tom

punaniwhat am I supposed to do with all these cores ?

Am I the only one here old enough to remember the days of 2010 where there were 6-core Phenom II x6's and 8 and 12-thread Naehelm?!

I know 6 cores doesn't sound like a lot, but back then 33% of the games used ONE core - and 75% used only 2 cores. So 6 core Phenoms or 8-thread i7's were insane - they had 3-4 times more cores than games could even use.

In other words, there used to be a time where you could spend $500 on a CPU and it would have ludicrously more horsepower than needed. AMD is simply bringing us back to those days....

#32

HD64G

Even the browsers today can utilise as many cores as your cpu has. Not only games use a cpu. And many new games properly utilise 4 or more cores with some of them needing 8 (i.e. AC Odyssey).

#33

Dammeron

r9All that power and in reality Ryzen 3 3300x overclocked to near 5GHz would be plenty for 99% of users.
Unless you'll use it to game, stream, virtualize and render at the same time.
I'm sure some people here will find them selves in that 1% :rockout:lol

punaniwhat am I supposed to do with all these cores ?

The same was told when 2500k was recommended over 2600k, cause "those 4 additional threads are not worthy the money". And now 2600k still works fine, while 2500k became a bit of a slowpoke compared to new systems.

So while 8c/16t, or 12c/24t may seem like an overkill right now, Your PC may last a few more years on it without some real performance losses.

#34

Xuper

ViperXTRGigbyte also listed it it seems but was removed later on or just shopped

Matisse ?

#35

chaosmassive

I am worried about 16C SKU part, that is Threadripper class CPU paired with X470 or even X370 mainboard, does VRM has enough juice for that CPU?

#36

PanicLake

Captain_TomAm I the only one here old enough to remember the days of 2010 where there were 6-core Phenom II x6's and 8 and 12-thread Naehelm?!

I know 6 cores doesn't sound like a lot, but back then 33% of the games used ONE core - and 75% used only 2 cores. So 6 core Phenoms or 8-thread i7's were insane - they had 3-4 times more cores than games could even use.

In other words, there used to be a time where you could spend $500 on a CPU and it would have ludicrously more horsepower than needed. AMD is simply bringing us back to those days....

PC do not exists solely for gaming, exit from your little bubble!

#37

Metroid

ViperXTRGigbyte also listed it it seems but was removed later on or just shopped

This is the proof we needed i guess. Intel is done for.

#38

lexluthermiester

Captain_TomAm I the only one here old enough to remember the days of 2010 where there were 6-core Phenom II x6's and 8 and 12-thread Naehelm?!

I know 6 cores doesn't sound like a lot, but back then 33% of the games used ONE core - and 75% used only 2 cores. So 6 core Phenoms or 8-thread i7's were insane - they had 3-4 times more cores than games could even use.

In other words, there used to be a time where you could spend $500 on a CPU and it would have ludicrously more horsepower than needed. AMD is simply bringing us back to those days....

I'll go along with this...

MetroidThis is the proof we needed i guess. Intel is done for.

But not this..

AMD is hitting it out of the park and forcing Intel to kick it up a many notches, but they are not destroying Intel. Not yet anyway..

#39

Valantar

chaosmassiveI am worried about 16C SKU part, that is Threadripper class CPU paired with X470 or even X370 mainboard, does VRM has enough juice for that CPU?

Given a 125W TDP, yes. No problem at all, even during short boosts. Remember that Intel specs the Z370 platform for 95W, yet high-end chips can reach 250W when overclocked, and routinely consume 160-180W in "stock" Turbo Boost. The VRMs will cope just fine, likely even on low-end boards as long as you're not overclocking.

#40

B-Real

Captain_TomAm I the only one here old enough to remember the days of 2010 where there were 6-core Phenom II x6's and 8 and 12-thread Naehelm?!

I know 6 cores doesn't sound like a lot, but back then 33% of the games used ONE core - and 75% used only 2 cores. So 6 core Phenoms or 8-thread i7's were insane - they had 3-4 times more cores than games could even use.

In other words, there used to be a time where you could spend $500 on a CPU and it would have ludicrously more horsepower than needed. AMD is simply bringing us back to those days....

What's your problem with that? Games doesn't require the highest number of available cores in desktop CPUs, but there is a choice if you need stronger CPUs for different works. You don't need to buy a $500 CPU for games, $200 is more than enough.

And only Intel is pricing the same or a bit more for their CPUs, AMD has reduced prices of the same category CPUs with Zen+.

lexluthermiester...

I just feel that you really hate AMD mate. Sorry...

#41

TheinsanegamerN

GinoLatinoPC do not exists solely for gaming, exit from your little bubble!

And for people like you, there are already plenty of CPU choices already available.

These CPUs are squarely aimed at people that like to build ridiculously powerful PCs. Get off your high horse.

#42

lexluthermiester

B-RealI just feel that you really hate AMD mate. Sorry...

That's what happens when you think with feelings instead of logic based observation. And no, you're not sorry. You made that statement with deliberate focus and intent. I do not "hate" AMD. However, I do passionately dislike people making ignorant, unwarranted and baseless claims about other people without any evidence to support such claims..

For the record, I like, regularly recommend and sell AMD based PC's. I hope and strongly suspect these new CPU's are going to kick ass.

#43

TheinsanegamerN

B-RealWhat's your problem with that? Games doesn't require the highest number of available cores in desktop CPUs, but there is a choice if you need stronger CPUs for different works. You don't need to buy a $500 CPU for games, $200 is more than enough.

And only Intel is pricing the same or a bit more for their CPUs, AMD has reduced prices of the same category CPUs with Zen+.

There is nothing wrong with it, you have the wrong idea. Captian_Tom is simply pointing out that AMD is giving us the option of building redoculously silly PCs again, as opposed to the dark days where the only choices were quad core i7s or HDET too expensive to make a silly build with.

chaosmassiveI am worried about 16C SKU part, that is Threadripper class CPU paired with X470 or even X370 mainboard, does VRM has enough juice for that CPU?

AM4 motherboards could easily cope with 180 watt ryzen 1700 CPUs with OCed memory controllers. Remember that rumored 16 core part is 7nm, likely no higher power usage then a OCed 1700 chip. We saw with ryzen 2700 the 12nm drop dramatically reduced power consumption, I expect even better with ryzen 3000.

#44

lexluthermiester

TheinsanegamerNAM4 motherboards could easily cope with 180 watt ryzen 1700 CPUs with OCed memory controllers. Remember that rumored 16 core part is 7nm, likely no higher power usage then a OCed 1700 chip.

This seems about right. Although, wasn't it 200W maximum? Thought I read that somewhere..

#45

Captain_Tom

lexluthermiesterI'll go along with this...

But not this..

AMD is hitting it out of the park and forcing Intel to kick it up a many notches, but they are not destroying Intel. Not yet anyway..

They might destroy Intel with this, but the truth is we won't know how devastating this line up is until 2020.

Bare with me: We all know Intel has nothing to respond with for at least 6 months... But they are a big enough company to withstand even this for that long. However if SunnyCove comes out and their top i9 can't even beat AMD's R5's... Then we will get an idea of how truly bad this is for them... Everyone in the future will look back on Zen 2 as AMD's "SandyBridge moment."

#46

lexluthermiester

Captain_TomThey might destroy Intel with this, but the truth is we won't know how devastating this line up is until 2020.

? Thought this was coming later on this year as a part of their release schedule?

#47

TheinsanegamerN

lexluthermiesterThis seems about right. Although, wasn't it 200W maximum? Thought I read that somewhere..

200W might be the hypothetical limit. I dont think I have ever seen a ryzen chip that high. My 1700 at 3.9 GHz only pushes 125 watt, and I've never pushed it higher. I cant find the 200W limit listed anywhere, just old references to a 140 watt limit with is hilariously incorrect.

lexluthermiester? Thought this was coming later on this year as a part of their release schedule?

Yes, ryzen 3000 is scheduled for 2019. 2020 is socket AM4's replacement IIRC.

#48

moproblems99

lexluthermiester? Thought this was coming later on this year as a part of their release schedule?

I thought it was H1 2019.

Edit: I also thought Navi was H2 2019.

#49

Captain_Tom

lexluthermiester? Thought this was coming later on this year as a part of their release schedule?

Which one?

I expect AMD to launch some Zen 2 AM4 chips by Q2, and as far as I am aware Intel isn't launching any SunnyCove till the very end of this year.

I know Intel says this and that, but I don't see any firm release dates on SC. Furthermore Intel also states multiple times that they expect to use "multiple nodes depending on product type." To me that means Intel will launch a limited amount of 10nm laptop chips Q3/4, and Sunny Cove on desktop will likely be dual 14nm++++ dies "glued" together. Sounds like a massive power hog to me. 100w with 10 cores and an IPC deficit compared to AMD...

#50

efikkan

Captain_TomThey might destroy Intel with this, but the truth is we won't know how devastating this line up is until 2020.

Bare with me: We all know Intel has nothing to respond with for at least 6 months...

Have you forgotten that AMD is still playing catch-up with Intel? They are still quite a bit behind Skylake(2015) in core speed.

Captain_TomBut they are a big enough company to withstand even this for that long. However if SunnyCove comes out and their top i9 can't even beat AMD's R5's... Then we will get an idea of how truly bad this is for them... Everyone in the future will look back on Zen 2 as AMD's "SandyBridge moment."

Intel's Ice Lake(Sunny Cove cores) has been ready for 1.5 years already, it's just waiting for the 10nm process to reach high enough volumes.

Captain_TomFurthermore Intel also states multiple times that they expect to use "multiple nodes depending on product type." To me that means Intel will launch a limited amount of 10nm laptop chips Q3/4, and Sunny Cove on desktop will likely be dual 14nm++++ dies "glued" together. Sounds like a massive power hog to me. 100w with 10 cores and an IPC deficit compared to AMD...

Skylake is quite a bit ahead of Zen in terms of IPC, and Ice Lake will push that even further.

Captain_TomI expect AMD to launch some Zen 2 AM4 chips by Q2, and as far as I am aware Intel isn't launching any SunnyCove till the very end of this year.

2019 is certainly going to be the most exciting years for CPUs for ages, perhaps since Athlon 64?
While I do expect Zen 2 AM4 to launch before Ice Lake, March-June vs. mid-to-late 2019, we don't know what kind of volumes AMD and Intel will be shipping.

And then there is the rumored Comet Lake, I don't see where it fits in, is this some kind of stopgap? A backup-plan? Or just plainly untrue?

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