VarioAnyone considering purchasing a new older series motherboard now before the 3000 series launch should wait until after launch when hopefully positive anecdotal reports come in about compatibility with the new Ryzen 2 series.

MetroidTaking the tdp of both, 2700x = 105w and 3950x = 105w, we can assume even a b450 will work pretty good with the top of the line monster 16 cores 3950x.

That is yet to be seen, tdp wise, 2700x and 3950x are equal.

Hardware GeekSo there is a wide range of prices and options for x570. I fail to see the issue.

FatalfuryAsus- "Overpricing everything since 25 years.."
Also called Asus premium tax.

snakefistYeah, that's about what I'm interested in - I have 1500X on 370 (I need 370 because I need as much of M.2 and cached HDDs - long story). I *might* buy another CPU on, say, B450 if I can move all those drives in, if the deal is better - and that only because I'm keeping what I have, I need another mid-range system.

PCI4.0 is currently not of my interest.

MetroidIt seems that update was blocked by amd itself.

VarioAnyone considering purchasing a new older series motherboard now before the 3000 series launch should wait until after launch when hopefully positive anecdotal reports come in about compatibility with the new Ryzen 2 series.

Manu_PTThe issue is that if you try any sort of good CPU overclock + good ram overclock on a 160€ entry level motherboard like those , high chances you will fail hard. Did you bother to see those VRMs? That´s low -end material being sold at 160€. But you do what you want with your money of course!

AretakI wouldn't blame them if they've told motherboard manufacturers not to do it. AMD will end up being the ones who get the blowback if/when it doesn't work as expected. I still remember what an absolute mess X79 was with regards to the 2.0/3.0 switchover. Some boards could handle 3.0, some couldn't. Some CPUs could handle it, some couldn't. Even some specific revisions of CPUs could handle it, but not others. Nvidia still disable PCIe 3.0 support on X79 to this day when using a Sandy Bridge-E chip, with manual patching required to remove the restriction. My 3970X and X79-Deluxe combo could handle 3.0 just fine, but it was unstable on many other chips and boards.

AthloniteBack on topic if per say PCIe 4.0 is the only difference then why is there a huge difference in price between x470 and x570 I mean all PCIe 4.0 is is an increase in bandwidth from PCIe 3.0 right but is that really where it ends is that really all there is to it IMHO probably not

s3thraCould this be partly due to the Trump tariffs finally taking effect, and being that these product are new, they are incurring the new, higher prices?

Oh, and Australian motherboard prices say hi...

Manu_PTThe issue is that if you try any sort of good CPU overclock + good ram overclock on a 160€ entry level motherboard like those , high chances you will fail hard. Did you bother to see those VRMs? That´s low -end material being sold at 160€. But you do what you want with your money of course!

TheLostSwedeKeep in mind that we'll be getting 4, 6 and 8-layer boards and the cost of adding additional PCB layers is a fair amount of money for one, this is not new though, but...
All X570 boards also use higher quality/lower noise/reduced interference materials for the PCIe 4.0 signaling, which adds further cost (I mentioned this elsewhere).
As such, the base PCBA is already costing more than on previous generation products.
Add a more expensive chipset, additional components for PCIe 4.0 signal integrity and you end up with more expensive boards.
I'm sure the prices will come down over time, as they always do, but it seems as hardware is getting faster and more complex, prices goes up.
I guess we're all so used with the fact that prices have in general come down as we make advancements, but it seems that we've reached a point in time, where this is no longer true for a lot of things.

phillI thought some of the higher end Asrock boards are 10 layers or more? They aren't as expensive.. It just seems like such a price hike for nothing more than greed to me. Yes the newer advance tech might cost a little but not as much as Asus are supposedly selling it for.
That just seems a OTT....

illlihow is this a 'horror story' when intel has been pricing their boards like this, and worse? doing forced obsolescence in order to make you have to buy a new motherboard like every other year lol. At least AM4 has been around a long time.
Anyways, the REAL horror story is i haven't seen ONE micro atx motherboard :(

TheLostSwedeAnd your level of experience in PCBA manufacturing is?
There might be one or two 10 layer consumer boards, but that's it, it simply doesn't make sense.
Most are four or six layer boards, eight is in fact quite extreme.
However, this is the first generation of consumer boards that need low loss materials. Some details here, albeit a bit old www.lboro.ac.uk/microsites/research/iemrc/documents/EventsDocuments/2012 conference/presentations/A Morgan Low Loss High speed laminates - What is really needed.pdf
This is a fairly big transition in terms of PCBA manufacturing materials, but I guess you wouldn't know much about that, as I presume you haven't actually been involved in making any hardware.

Also keep in mind that ASRock has a $999 board...