ImsochoboAmd promises only difference will be Pci-E 4.0 and no performance degregation.
But I doubt the 16 core will be good on any B-3\450 boards.
X370\470 boards should have no issues without clocking them to the moon.

12 core on even the 3 phase AB350 pro4 should be fine at stock.

TheLostSwedeAs a matter of fact, I do. I try to share information here, but it seems people are more interested in bickering here than to pause for a second and read up on things, as well as trying to understand why things are the way they are. Apparently sharing knowledge gets you nasty comments instead, which is great, so yes, my posts have become rude and abrupt because of it.

Eight layers, I wouldn't doubt, 10, hmmm, not so likely unless you have some super high-end workstation or server boards.

Neither am I, just pointing out that Asus is not the most expensive when it comes the X570 boards, since they seemingly got a lot of flack here.

It's not that simple, as the X570 chipset itself is comparable to Intel's Z390 in terms of cost (I'm afraid I don't have exact numbers, but same ballpark), but the addition of the PCIe 4.0 redrivers/retimers adds about $10-20 in cost to each board. On top of this, a lot of new, but maybe not very obvious board design changes have had to be developed for PCIe 4.0, which costs R&D time and money and the boards makers seemingly wants to recuperate that money as quickly as possible. This all leads to higher priced retail products, especially when the board makers knows that AMD has a good CPU coming, so they try to see what the market will bear. This happens time and time again, so nothing new there.

ASRock hasn't had anything to do with Asus for around a decade, so please update your memory banks...
ASRock is owned by Pegatron which was entirely separated from Asus in 2012 and ASRock has been independent since the split between Asus, Pegatron and Unihan in 2008.

theoneandonlymrkI doubt ill swap this crosshair tbh.

I hope to put a 3900x in it and be done.

Look at the market, Nvidia have upsold twice in the last few years, Intel prices have increased on mainstream and because they could they made hedt platform with higher pricing.

And intel were selling us quads for years man, with socket swaps that WERE NOT needed,, theses boards run up to 16 cores, I'm telling you as an engineer , pciex 4 takes more R and D, testing and more expensive parts including more parts (redriver chip/s).

With boards from 160-700 quid i don't see your point as valid.

As I said, watch intels prices , have you seen some of the boards you can buy Now for Intel chips.

Because you don't see it? , just means you don't see it.

There's a Bit of gouging going on but it's not Amd that Makes the boards.

TotallyDon't see why pcie4 would add $100. Boards with Pcie3/usb3 didn't command a solid $100 premium when they were bleeding edge. If you want to line up and to get robbed by all means go ahead.

phillWell please enlighten me as I'm always up for learning something new especially when it's down to my hobbie I enjoy :) Plus I can't see the point in arguing, so I prefer to just be polite and smile a lot of the time :) Easy life and all that jazz....

Oh for the motherboards I have, after a quick check, I've most are 8 and at the best 12 layered boards. Quite surprising to be honest some of them but I funnily couldn't see anything to do with any of the Asus boards (from their product pages on their site, I couldn't see anything that mentioned 6/8/10 layered PCB boards....??) only find some rough guides that they might actually be only 6 layers (Crosshair 6 Hero boards.. Any ideas?) I've honestly no idea what motherboards are in my servers (range from Dell R610's to R730's... Any ideas on how to find out?? I'll try a Google in a bit...)

I have a feeling I might possibly be going to Asrock for a lot of motherboards to be honest.. Asus as many have said, seem to be a little bit over priced... But hey, we can move on past that point now :)

HaKN !You call this expensive? :D:D:D:D:D


Here in Denmark , the "Cheap" boards starts from 300 US dollars , The Asus Z390Extreme(top dog) costs 610 US Dollars

turbogearThanks.
It would be interesting to have a look at Gerber data of modern mainboards to see how they do the fan-out of all impedance controlled differential and single ended lines out of processor with 6 layers. :p

Maybe my layout colleagues can learn somethings. :laugh:

TheLostSwedeIt doesn't, but when you have extra BOM costs of say around $30 for PCIe 4.0, you add a few other new things, you increase that BOM cost to $40, add margins, add distributor margins and reseller margins... it quickly adds up and becomes $100, unfortunately.

A lot of motherboards have a little "window" or indicator that shows you how many layers they have, something along the lines of this:



It's the easiest way to see how many layers the boards have. Six seems to be standard for most consumer grade motherboards, although cheap boards tend to be four and higher-end boards eight, rarely 10.

Considering you have server boards, they might be 12, but that got to be some dual socket boards or better then I'm guessing.
Layers aren't added for the hell of it, they're only added when needed or as a selling point. Generally smaller boards tend to need more layers as well, as you have less space to route the signals. This is why mini-ITX boards are often eight, rather than six layers.

TotallyDistinctly remember Asus and Gigabyte advertising 8/10 layer pcbs used in their MBs for their prime/deluxe/rog/ultra durable/aorus boards and those boards were $150-250 not 300-500.

TheLostSwedeOn a different note, it looks like the cheapest "tier 1" boards will be $159, apparently MSI will start at $189, hence why their CEO was so quick to go out and complain about pricing I guess...
Only expect a few models under $200 from all the board makers, as in less than a handful. So those complaining that Asus is expensive, this seems to be the new norm. :(

msroadkill612"The cheapest AMD X570 motherboard from ASUS is the Prime X570-P, which is priced at USD $159.99. Its slightly bolstered twin, the TUF Gaming X570-Plus will go for $169.99. A variant of this exact board with integrated Wi-Fi 6 will be priced at $184.99. This is where things get crazy. "

For the sane among us then:

www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X570-P/

www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming-X570-Plus/