Thursday, January 23rd 2020

MSI Says not all Radeon RX 5600 XT GPUs Can Hit 14 Gbps Memory Speed

Just before the launch of AMD's latest Radeon RX 5600 XT graphics cards, AMD released a vBIOS update that boosts the GPU clock speed by a few percent margins and increases the GDDR6 memory speed from 12 Gbps to 14 Gbps, which is almost a 17% performance increase in memory bandwidth. However, despite the release of these new firmware updates, AMD's add-in-board partners like ASUS and MSI have been cautious about applying the new vBIOS to the existing cards. A YouTube show called the MSI Insider, which is hosted by MSI employees, explains the situation. Due to the GDDR6 memory, which was originally meant as a 12 Gbps chip, when applying the new firmware update to the card can lead to RMA issues with customers.

While some cards are capable of hitting 14 Gbps speeds with the GDDR6 chips, others are not as they were not certified to work at that frequency. Silicon lottery (not the company) of the memory chips plays a big role as the quality of the onboard DRAM will have a large impact on the ability to overclock to new frequencies. That's why MSI released an RX 5600 XT GAMING Z variant with 14 Gbps vBIOS already applied out of the box. ASUS also joined the party and launched the ASUS ROG STRIX TOP graphics card, which is the only 14 Gbps enabled cards in ASUS'es whole lineup. By launching GPU SKUs with 14 Gbps speeds out of the box, manufacturers can guarantee these speeds and not depend on silicon lottery which may cause them a few RMA troubles down the road.
Source: VideoCards
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86 Comments on MSI Says not all Radeon RX 5600 XT GPUs Can Hit 14 Gbps Memory Speed

#1
cucker tarlson
lol
flash bios to get out of the box review performance
which is not guaranteed

jebaited.
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#3
cucker tarlson
eidairaman1
That's msi...
oh yes,it's definitely msi who can't get all 12gbps memory chips to work at 14 gbps


can you imagine if 2080 super had the same 14gbps but with a bios flash for 16gbps with no guarantee to work.

god damn,the outrage........
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#4
moproblems99
cucker tarlson
oh yes,it's definitely msi who can't get all 12gbps memory chips to work at 14 gbps


can you imagine if 2080 super had the same 14gbps but with a bios flash for 16gbps with no guarantee to work.

god damn,the outrage........
That depends. I didn't read the reviews cuz the GPU doesn't appeal to me but were the reviews with 14gbs speed and disclaimed that stock is 12gbs? Were the reviews on specific 14gbs models?

If it was reasonable to see what was happening then I don't have a problem. If it was a true bait and switch then it is Shady as pho.
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#5
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
This sounds more like MSI cutting corners and using lower-quality/lower-spec memory modules instead.

EDIT: I know the 5600 XT is supposed to use 12 Gbps chips and more blame should be put on AMD for the last minute BIOS change.
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#6
notb
Cheeseball
This sounds more like MSI cutting corners and using lower-quality/lower-spec memory modules instead.
Why would they use higher-end modules for a 12Gbps card?
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#7
sutyi
cucker tarlson
lol
flash bios to get out of the box review performance
which is not guaranteed

jebaited.
Almost launch day spec change was silly from AMD, but I guess they saved face instead of lowering the price to 249.

If MSI and ASUS can't drive their old specs RX 5600XT cards at 14Gbps memory, that are based on the very same PCB as their RX 5700 models use... well it really means one thing in the end: They put 12Gbps chips on those cards and thats that.
notb
Why would they use higher-end modules for a 12Gbps card?
Riddle me this then: How come the review model of the Gaming X has 14Gbps modules? Did they deliberatly send a review card with better components so it gets better OC reviews? If they knew they would need to have the 14Gbps modules then why silicon lottery comment?
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#8
Rahnak
AMD botched this one real bad. What a clusterfudge of a product launch.
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#9
yiannis
sutyi
Almost launch day spec change was silly from AMD, but I guess they saved face instead of lowering the price to 249.

If MSI and ASUS can't drive their old specs RX 5600XT cards at 14Gbps memory, that are based on the very same PCB as their RX 5700 models use... well it really means one thing in the end: They put 12Gbps chips on those cards and thats that.
And why shouldn't they? 5600XT was supposed to be a 12Gbps card and AMD changed the specs at the last minute. Apparently a lot of cards where ready with 12Gbps as they SUPPOSED to. I can't see any fault of MSI or Asus here..
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#10
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
notb
Why would they use higher-end modules for a 12Gbps card?
The new AMD vBIOS is pushing the memory from 12 Gbps to 14 Gbps now. When the 5600 XT was first specced out, they thought they were fine with the 12 Gbps chips.

I get your question though. The RX 5600 XT was initially supposed to do 12 Gbps GDDR6.
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#11
kings
cucker tarlson
can you imagine if 2080 super had the same 14gbps but with a bios flash for 16gbps with no guarantee to work.

god damn,the outrage........
This thread will be already on the 3rd page of complaints about how scumbag Nvidia is. :D
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#12
sutyi
yiannis
And why shouldn't they? 5600XT was supposed to be a 12Gbps card and AMD changed the specs at the last minute. Apparently a lot of cards where ready with 12Gbps as they SUPPOSED to. I can't see any fault of MSI or Asus here..
Never said they were at fault for putting 12Gbps chips on a card that is specced at that rate and pushing those out to e-tailers and brick and mortar stores, obviously there is no point recalling them and reballing stuff, it would be a disproportionate cost towards the AIB.

But if you were planing on selling 12Gbps chips on these cards till the last moment BIOS changes, how come there are 14Gbps chips on your review sample that had been sent out 5-7 days before the BIOS change? Preaching water and drinking wine.
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#13
Xuper
How big is a threat from EVGA 2060KO that AMD forced to do this mess?
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#14
kapone32
Xuper
How big is a threat from EVGA 2060KO that AMD forced to do this mess?
There are reviews on Youtube where they compared the cards vs the Vbios update. Before that the 5600XT was about 10 to 15% slower than the 2060. With the new VBIos it trades blows with the 2060 and AMD hopes that the $20 MSRP difference will inspire buyers to get the 5600XT instead.
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#15
jabbadap
Xuper
How big is a threat from EVGA 2060KO that AMD forced to do this mess?
Why bother with that abomination when FE is in stock again...
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#16
ixi
Cheeseball
This sounds more like MSI cutting corners and using lower-quality/lower-spec memory modules instead.
Ou - yes. Was thinking the same.
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#17
Unregistered
Cheeseball
This sounds more like MSI cutting corners and using lower-quality/lower-spec memory modules instead.
Yup! At least they're consistent, just like their motherboard "Max" issue...
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#18
ZoneDymo
So the company that only covered half a memory chip with a thermal pad on the 5700XT (evoke) says the memory on this one might not reach the speed it should.....shocking
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#19
dj-electric
jabbadap
Why bother with that abomination when FE is in stock again...
FE doesn't have the bigger core and its advantages, you should be getting news about it any moment now...

Also - People are easy to blame MSI.

Guys - how about putting the blame on the sudden decision that a card that was designed to work a certain way now has to be forced to work in other ways?
Engineers programmed this thing to have certain clocks, certain power envelop.

MSI is right - not all 12Gbps memory chips can work fine under 14Gbps clocks, that's just reality. Guess what - you are going to hear about Sapphire cards having memory artifacts too, don't worry. Come back later and quote me on this one
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#20
kapone32
yakk
Yup! At least they're consistent, just like their motherboard "Max" issue...
It's not just that but also the designs on the heatsinks. MSI does make some good products but also make some bone headed designs. One of my favourites was the X399 SLI Plus which is a great board but the ARGB header is 4 pin when every other ARGB component is 3 pin. I will never forget calling MSI and asking tech support what products support 4 pin 5V and he told me he does not know of anything that would work with that pin layout.
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#21
mahoney
dj-electric
FE doesn't have the bigger core and its advantages, you should be getting news about it any moment now...

Also - People are easy to blame MSI.

Guys - how about putting the blame on the sudden decision that a card that was designed to work a certain way now has to be forced to work in other ways?
Engineers programmed this thing to have certain clocks, certain power envelop.

MSI is right - not all 12Gbps memory chips can work fine under 14Gbps clocks, that's just reality. Guess what - you are going to hear about Sapphire cards having memory artifacts too, don't worry. Come back later and quote me on this one
This is AMD you're talking about they're never wrong.
MSi is the real shit here /s
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#22
cucker tarlson
Xuper
How big is a threat from EVGA 2060KO that AMD forced to do this mess?
How big is the threat from evga 2060ko that forced amd to do this mess ?
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#23
Xuper
cucker tarlson
How big is the threat from evga 2060ko that forced amd to do this mess ?
hmm , Fair Enough.
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#24
Dristun
AMD shakes things up after the cards have already been boxed and shipped but of course AIBs are the problem, sure, lmao.
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#25
Xuper
Dristun
AMD shakes things up after the cards have already been boxed and shipped but of course AIBs are the problem, sure, lmao.
Well , This Launch is certainly absurd.
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