Wednesday, November 4th 2020

NVIDIA Reportedly Working on GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Graphics Card with 20 GB GDDR6X VRAM

A leak from renowned (and usually on-point) leaker Kopite7kimi claims that NVIDIA has finally settled on new graphics cards to combat AMD's RX 6800 threat after all. After the company has been reported (and never confirmed) to be working on double-memory configurations for their RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 graphics cards (with 16 GB GDDR6 and 20 GB GDDR6X, respectively), the company is now reported to have settled for a 20 GB RTX 3080 Ti to face a (apparently; pending independent reviews) resurgent AMD.

The RTX 3080 Ti specs paint a card with the same CUDA core count as the RTX 3090, with 10496 FP32 cores over the same 320-bit memory bus as the RTX 3080. Kopite includes board and SKU numbers (PG133 SKU 15) along a new GPU codename: GA102-250. The performance differentiator against the RTX 3090 stands to be the memory amount, bus, and eventually core clockspeed; memory speed and board TGP are reported to mirror those of the RTX 3080, so some reduced clocks compared to that graphics card are expected. That amount of CUDA cores means NVIDIA is essentially divvying-up the same GA-102 die between its RTX 3090 (good luck finding one in stock) and the reported RTX 3080 Ti (so good luck finding one of those in stock as well, should the time come). It is unclear how pricing would work out for this SKU, but pricing comparable to that of the RX 6900 XT is the more sensible speculation. Take this report with the usual amount of NaCl.
Sources: Kopite7kimi @ Twitter, via Videocardz
Add your own comment

136 Comments on NVIDIA Reportedly Working on GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Graphics Card with 20 GB GDDR6X VRAM

#101
beautyless
Adding more cu above existing design take time. They can just overclock 6900XT for 5% and call it 6900XTX.
Posted on Reply
#102
TumbleGeorge
RTX 3090 is semi-pro/semi-game not "full" pro. Problem with RTX 3090 - solved! :D
Posted on Reply
#103
lexluthermiester
wolf
Exactly, it's quite the exaggeration, Nvidia is likely just getting ducks in a row to effectively answer AMD products
That is exactly right. The next few years are going to be exciting to watch as AMD battles it out with both Intel and NVidia. As of right now, AMD is giving Intel serious trouble. They might be ready to do the same to NVidia. Also, you are completely correct about the comment above, "Ass-kicking" is quite the over-statement.
Posted on Reply
#104
Crackong
I am glad I did not get a regular 3080 now.
So much relieved.
Posted on Reply
#105
ratirt
So this 3080Ti 20GB would compete with 6800 XT? It will definitely be slower than 3090. Or maybe it will be the gap-fill between 3080 and 3090 although there isn't much to fill anyway.
Posted on Reply
#106
londiste
ratirt
So this 3080Ti 20GB would compete with 6800 XT? It will definitely be slower than 3090. Or maybe it will be the gap-fill between 3080 and 3090 although there isn't much to fill anyway.
Why 6800XT? Quite sure it will compete with 6900XT.
Posted on Reply
#107
ratirt
londiste
Why 6800XT? Quite sure it will compete with 6900XT.
Well the 3090 competes with 6900xt so if 3080 Ti (I think ) will be slower than a 3090 so stuck between the 6900xt and 6800xt i suppose. Wonder what the price will be for that 3080 TI $1200 or lower?
Posted on Reply
#108
londiste
ratirt
Well the 3090 competes with 6900xt so if 3080 Ti (I think ) will be slower than a 3090 so stuck between the 6900xt and 6800xt i suppose. Wonder what the price will be for that 3080 TI $1200 or lower?
3090 also has $1500 MSRP vs 6900XT at $1000. The easiest response Nvidia has is a new SKU.
Posted on Reply
#109
ZoneDymo
londiste
Why 6800XT? Quite sure it will compete with 6900XT.
Nvidia kinda messed up here, the 3090 is not a titan card, its a 1500 dollar gaming card....
Previous Titan vs Ti pricing/performance was acceptable because of the pro-features Titan offered, the 3090 does not have these, a titan card is probably coming in the future.

So if they have a 3090 and a 3080Ti basically just going head to head….then the pricing becomes really odd, you just have 2 nearly identical cards for very different prices and like...within 2 - 3 months with no availability....I mean they just killing their own products this way.

Should just do a price drop on the 3090 but that would be admitting defeat/losing face so they rather put in a "new" SKU.
Posted on Reply
#110
ratirt
londiste
3090 also has $1500 MSRP vs 6900XT at $1000. The easiest response Nvidia has is a new SKU.
You have to ask yourself, 3090 and 3080Ti are basically same so the 4GB memory decrease and some bandwidth changes, how much will that affect the price of the 3080TI?
The other thing is, if the 3080 TI will perform on par with 3090, (or very close) what is that make of the 3090? I know why NV is releasing it but the question still remains. What will the price for this 3080Ti be. I'm 100% sure, it won't be below or equal to $1k.
ZoneDymo
Should just do a price drop on the 3090 but that would be admitting defeat/losing face so they rather put in a "new" SKU.
Price drop for the 3090 would have been the way to go but since NV is releasing 3080 TI (slightly different spec) is to make the card cheaper which means price drop for the 3090 is not an option. Otherwise NV would have done it. This decision, is based on (probably), NV would lose money since it costs more to make the 3090 than sell it for $1k. $500 difference in price is massive for a product that performs equally.
Posted on Reply
#111
londiste
ZoneDymo
Should just do a price drop on the 3090 but that would be admitting defeat/losing face so they rather put in a "new" SKU.
Dropping price on 3090 would be a big FU to anyone who bought a 3090. Having a 3080Ti with 4GB less memory and lower power limit allows them to retain the impression that 3090 is still a faster card. This has happened before with Titans and new SKUs are an answer.
ratirt
You have to ask yourself, 3090 and 3080Ti are basically same so the 4GB memory decrease and some bandwidth changes, how much will that affect the price of the 3080TI?
Prices of cards, especially something like 3090 are not based on manufacturing costs. There is a very healthy margin there.
Posted on Reply
#112
Vya Domus
ZoneDymo
Previous Titan vs Ti pricing/performance was acceptable because of the pro-features Titan offered, the 3090 does not have these, a titan card is probably coming in the future.
Only Titan cards that had "pro-features" was the first one and Titan V, all the others were simply gaming products that just happened to have more memory. You can tell this is true by looking at the GPUs used, Titan V used the same V100 chip that was used for the Tesla product with the same name, meanwhile Titan RTX for instance used the same TU102 the 2080ti had.
Posted on Reply
#113
TumbleGeorge
londiste
Dropping price on 3090 would be a big FU to anyone who bought a 3090. Having a 3080Ti with 4GB less memory and lower power limit allows them to retain the impression that 3090 is still a faster card. This has happened before with Titans and new SKUs are an answer.
Prices of cards, especially something like 3090 are not based on manufacturing costs. There is a very healthy margin there.
Buying hardware is not required by law. Whoever decides to do it, rushing at his own risk, is his personal choice and no one is to blame, or he is obliged to keep the prices for a long time so as not to affect him financially.
Posted on Reply
#114
londiste
TumbleGeorge
Buying hardware is not required by law. Whoever decides to do it, rushing at his own risk, is his personal choice and no one is to blame, or he is obliged to keep the prices for a long time so as not to affect him financially.
Does not make it less of a problem for manufacturer.
Posted on Reply
#115
beedoo
TumbleGeorge
Buying hardware is not required by law. Whoever decides to do it, rushing at his own risk, is his personal choice and no one is to blame, or he is obliged to keep the prices for a long time so as not to affect him financially.
While this is absolutely true, it still represents an irrevocably botched product release.

NVidia should stick to their game plan, release the interim products and accept they've stuffed this product line. They can focus on not underestimating competition, and getting back on track in 2022.
Posted on Reply
#116
ZoneDymo
Vya Domus
Only Titan cards that had "pro-features" was the first one and Titan V, all the others were simply gaming products that just happened to have more memory. You can tell this is true by looking at the GPUs used, Titan V used the same V100 chip that was used for the Tesla product with the same name, meanwhile Titan RTX for instance used the same TU102 the 2080ti had.
Ill admit I dont know much about this, but in LTT's review of the 3090 they compared it to previous titan and it lost in some workloads which I think they mentioned is due to intentional software limits.
Arbitrary or not, the 3090 did not get this due to it not being considered a titan card.
Posted on Reply
#117
medi01
wolf
They haven't even launched their products yet, no consumers have them and Nvidia is getting it's ass.... kicked?

RIP Nvidia right? How could they possibly survive this flogging.
Hard times in green lands, aren't they?

Going from "nVidia is years ahead", "I doubt AMD would match 3070", "perhaps 20% slower than 3080" to "oh, THAT is why Huang stopped ripping us off".
Yes, AMD just kicked NV's lower bottom part, rolling out the fastest GPU on the market, with smile, superior power consumption and for $500 less.

As for "NV not surviving" it, it's a strawman.
Even if Ampere fiasco will be followed by 3 more fiascos, there will still be enough green fanboi to buy overpriced green crap (with hilarious reasoning attached).
Posted on Reply
#118
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
medi01
Hard times in green lands, aren't they?
Are they?
medi01
Going from "nVidia is years ahead", "I doubt AMD would match 3070", "perhaps 20% slower than 3080" to "oh, THAT is why Huang stopped ripping us off".
Yes, AMD just kicked NV's lower bottom part, rolling out the fastest GPU on the market, with smile, superior power consumption and for $500 less.
From rumour to rumour to rumour, to products that haven't launched or even been reviewed yet, with or without smile.

But, lets for arguments say you're totally right and they actually "wipe the floor" product vs product, by basically offering what is at best a respectable price to performance benefit, with some extra placebo VRAM and a minor perf;watt advantage. Nvidia adjust prices, actually officially announces SKU's that fit the gaps, and life goes on with both happily selling GPU's to happy consumers.
medi01
As for "NV not surviving" it, it's a strawman.
Even if Ampere fiasco will be followed by 3 more fiascos, there will still be enough green fanboi to buy overpriced green crap (with hilarious reasoning attached).
I can't even, you made my day with this one, priceless.
Posted on Reply
#119
RedelZaVedno
Makaveli
That is how this works when you are publicly traded company with shareholders.

Any company in this position would do the same so I guess they would all be greedy based on what you are saying.
That's how it is in duopoly which was illegal not that long ago. We need working antitrust legislation ASAP.
Posted on Reply
#120
medi01
wolf
some extra placebo VRAM
6800 should be about 20% faster than 3070, but speaking of VRAM...

You know DF managed to artificially down 2080 performance in 3080 "preview" video?
Right, by not fitting textures in VRAM.

Welp:
Posted on Reply
#121
londiste
medi01
6800 should be about 20% faster than 3070, but speaking of VRAM...
Lets see reviews first, but in addition to being ~16% faster than 2080Ti according to AMD slides, it is also 15% more expensive.
Posted on Reply
#122
medi01
londiste
Lets see reviews first, but in addition to being ~16% faster than 2080Ti according to AMD slides, it is also 15% more expensive.
No, you poor thing, it is 18% faster than 2080Ti (which is a tad faster than 3070) and 16% more expensive than 3070.
Oh, and has twice VRAM.
Posted on Reply
#123
mahirzukic2
AusWolf
Another day, another nvidia rumour. :rolleyes:
They need it, lest they fall into obscurity.
Posted on Reply
#124
AusWolf
mahirzukic2
They need it, lest they fall into obscurity.
What they need is actual physical graphics cards on store shelves, especially now before Christmas and the AMD launch.
Posted on Reply
#125
purecain
Exactly, we're being forced to buy online due to covid and we have idiots using bots to buy what little stock there is, I'd of set my own bot up just to buy one for myself had i known it was going to be every single new product. This is going to have a terrible affect on the community. This would of been enough to put me off pc's all together when i was first starting. I cant stand dishonesty. Manufacturers should of made sure the public could get their products, we have shops using sister companies which basically prevent hardly any of us being able to buy at the msrp. If one shop had sold them at msrp no one would of been able to profit from scalped cards. That only works if people cant get them anywhere. It feels artificial, like this was planned and i'm sure it was. Call me paranoid. :nutkick:
Posted on Reply
Add your own comment