bahahahahaha

bummer to people in those states though

Since I'm not American or follow the news does this only apply to electronics? What about electric heat, or AC or sauna or air compressor, or kettle??

mechtechbahahahahaha

bummer to people in those states though

Since I'm not American or follow the news does this only apply to electronics? What about electric heat, or AC or sauna or air compressor, or kettle??

California isn't really America. They live in their own little world. They have an incredibly high GDP though. If they were their own country they would be the 5th largest country in the world by GDP:

64KCalifornia isn't really America. They live in their own little world. They have an incredibly high GDP though. If they were their own country they would be the 5th largest country in the world by GDP:

Hi,
You have to put that in perspective
Cali is the only USA port on that side of north America lol

ThrashZoneHi,
You have to put that in perspective
Cali is the only USA port on that side of north America lol

Seattle and Tacoma (Washington state) both have large ports.

Error in the article: using "effected" instead of "affected".

lynx29just a sad side note ---- high refresh rate monitors are part of the same law, but that does not go into effect until December of this year.

"No one NEEDS a fully semiautomatic high-powered assault monitor!"

Why_MeSeattle and Tacoma (Washington state) both have large ports.

But overall not really as larger and as many in California... as well being a real full year ports. I've seen the Sound get frozen over in the Winter. I used to have investment properties up along the entire west coast. I miss Ivar's Restaurant in the old market place. Portland was a fantastic place to grab your beer and just relax. But now because of the politics in both Oregon and in Washington I sold my properties and left those states.

I'm an old man, who as been system building for over 32+ years, who was one of the old school technology reporters when Slash.dot, Ars Technica were just young punk sites (Go Commander Taco!, Evil Smoking Dude got me interested in Linux back then). I've been doing tech before Linus was a gleam in his daddy's eyes if you want to count using a TRS80 for my businesses in the crack head 80's. I've been there and I've done that, being dirt poor and stupidly rich (take that you worthless Berkeley IT for telling me that I could not run a successful computer store because I had no degree). I currently living in California dealing with people in Silicon Valley, Silicon Sacramento and HollyWierd. I kind of know what is going on so here is my viewpoint.

When this set of laws were introduced in 2016 you have to look at where it is being targeted at. It is at all of those laptops as well as those "expensive monitors". The reason why is 1. Desktops were in big year to year declines from 2010 to 2015. Laptops sky rocketed in sales as well as smaller ITX/ Client/Home theaters. I know for a fact a lot State Government workers would plug in their laptops while at work and fucking forget about it later. Go to Starbucks and see how many people are on their laptops doing work.

I almost guarantee you some hipsters/fools/idiots in government were given their instructions on how to "go green" and this was one of the results. I also believe that like anything this got heavily watered down to what you see now. So YAY... those hipsters/fools/idiots in government got their bownie points to make themselves look "GUD" so they can go up the Government Ladder. So basically one of the reason why they targeted the smaller units/laptops is because that is the majority being used at the time that the law was going to be created.

And yes I've seen this happen so... so... many times in the land of California, where stupidity can fail you upwards and where real hard honest workers get the political ramming and feel awful and overworked.

2. MONEY. It's always about money. California is the 4 wealthiest nation in the world. 1 for ever 8 people in the US live in California. That is why they can demand things and get away with it because they have that much influence so that manufacturers have to either comply or not.

I even think they were trying somehow for the Government to make money off of the ConSUMer when they were working on their drafts which of course was cut out... by you know lobbyists. Cough-Intel-Cough-Apple-Cough-Oracle-Cough-Tech companies- Cough-wheeze.

This is just my 2 cents but I made it here in California, because of not only using my hands but using my head as well... and because of that I got involved in the politics of the day. So I have an understanding on how this law probably started, and probably how it ended up like this.

If you have a desktop now you are fine. I mean unless they have the Thought Police I can not see them enforcing this on current units created.

Again Just my 2 Cents :peace:

Daisho11"No one NEEDS a fully semiautomatic high-powered assault monitor!"

nice profile picture btw... warcraft 3... those were some good days of gaming man.

Icon CharlieBut overall not really as larger and as many in California... as well being a real full year ports. I've seen the Sound get frozen over in the Winter. I used to have investment properties up along the entire west coast. I miss Ivar's Restaurant in the old market place. Portland was a fantastic place to grab your beer and just relax. But now because of the politics in both Oregon and in Washington I sold my properties and left those states.

I'm an old man, who as been system building for over 32+ years, who was one of the old school technology reporters when Slash.dot, Ars Technica were just young punk sites (Go Commander Taco!, Evil Smoking Dude got me interested in Linux back then). I've been doing tech before Linus was a gleam in his daddy's eyes if you want to count using a TRS80 for my businesses in the crack head 80's. I've been there and I've done that, being dirt poor and stupidly rich (take that you worthless Berkeley IT for telling me that I could not run a successful computer store because I had no degree). I currently living in California dealing with people in Silicon Valley, Silicon Sacramento and HollyWierd. I kind of know what is going on so here is my viewpoint.

When this set of laws were introduced in 2016 you have to look at where it is being targeted at. It is at all of those laptops as well as those "expensive monitors". The reason why is 1. Desktops were in big year to year declines from 2010 to 2015. Laptops sky rocketed in sales as well as smaller ITX/ Client/Home theaters. I know for a fact a lot State Government workers would plug in their laptops while at work and fucking forget about it later. Go to Starbucks and see how many people are on their laptops doing work.

I almost guarantee you some hipsters/fools/idiots in government were given their instructions on how to "go green" and this was one of the results. I also believe that like anything this got heavily watered down to what you see now. So YAY... those hipsters/fools/idiots in government got their bownie points to make themselves look "GUD" so they can go up the Government Ladder. So basically one of the reason why they targeted the smaller units/laptops is because that is the majority being used at the time that the law was going to be created.

And yes I've seen this happen so... so... many times in the land of California, where stupidity can fail you upwards and where real hard honest workers get the political ramming and feel awful and overworked.

2. MONEY. It's always about money. California is the 4 wealthiest nation in the world. 1 for ever 8 people in the US live in California. That is why they can demand things and get away with it because they have that much influence so that manufacturers have to either comply or not.

I even think they were trying somehow for the Government to make money off of the ConSUMer when they were working on their drafts which of course was cut out... by you know lobbyists. Cough-Intel-Cough-Apple-Cough-Oracle-Cough-Tech companies- Cough-wheeze.

This is just my 2 cents but I made it here in California, because of not only using my hands but using my head as well... and because of that I got involved in the politics of the day. So I have an understanding on how this law probably started, and probably how it ended up like this.

If you have a desktop now you are fine. I mean unless they have the Thought Police I can not see them enforcing this on current units created.

Again Just my 2 Cents :peace:

You're flat out lying. I was raised on Puget Sound and never in its entire history (other than maybe the ice age) has Puget Sound ever seen ice.


seatemperature.info/january/puget-sound-water-temperature.html#:~:text=Average%20water%20temperature%20in%20Puget,coldest%20is%2044.1%C2%B0F.
Average water temperature in Puget Sound in January is 46.6°F and therefore is not suitable for comfortable swimming. The warmest sea in Puget Sound in January is 48.9°F, and the coldest is 44.1°F.

the54thvoidJust read the source article. Has a quote from the Semiconductor industry.



I did not realise this. Sort of changes the perspective.

And everyone wants the highest spec CPU and GPU, or is it the games industry that is forcing us to need the highest end stuff to run the games. I think there is certainly a certain amount of Epeen going on there too. If you haave tons of money to piss up the wall, you are gonna have the best and possibly least power efficient rig you can buy.

TheLostSwedeAren't those the Intel based ones?

They are, but even a system using an 11400f is between the ones not shipped to California and the other woke states, going by TPU's review that CPU consumes less than a Ryzen 5 5600x under stress (it's less energy efficient, but that doesn't really matter for a gaming system, you're not going to stop gaming sooner because your CPU is somewhat faster). I don't think AMD systems are safe from this law if Dell's interpretation is correct.
EDIT: Just noticed it on TechSpot, but yeah, Ryzen equipped SKUs are affected by the ban as well:
www.dell.com/en-us/shop/gaming-and-games/alienware-aurora-ryzen-edition-r10-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r10-desktop

JayzTwoCents did his video of this subject:

the54thvoidJust read the source article. Has a quote from the Semiconductor industry.



I did not realise this. Sort of changes the perspective.

Not really. Take a moment to think about that info and graph. That graph is flawed on many levels. First, World power production does not and will not stay at a steady state as portrayed. Second, none of those inclines are anywhere near accurate, completely made up nonsense would be a better way to put it. Third, given advances already being made in power production as well as efficiencies in power usage, the projected time line does not and can not account for future advances(which are very likely).

California's effort to save power is good. The way they're doing it is completely ass-uppence. Instead of making regulation that require sleep functions to meet certain power minimums, they need to mandate the practice full system shutdown, IE when a PC is not in use, shut it down complete. In such a state, a system doesn't use power at all. I and everyone in my family use this practice. This is the correct way to save power.

Why_MeYou're flat out lying. I was raised on Puget Sound and never in its entire history (other than maybe the ice age) has Puget Sound ever seen ice.


seatemperature.info/january/puget-sound-water-temperature.html#:~:text=Average%20water%20temperature%20in%20Puget,coldest%20is%2044.1%C2%B0F.
Average water temperature in Puget Sound in January is 46.6°F and therefore is not suitable for comfortable swimming. The warmest sea in Puget Sound in January is 48.9°F, and the coldest is 44.1°F.

I live in Canada. I’ve seen Lake Superior freeze over lol

mechtechI live in Canada. I’ve seen Lake Superior freeze over lol

I live in Alaska, I've driven on the ocean (Arctic Ocean).

Me on the Arctic Ocean on my way back from Northstar Island after an emergency shutdown (oil mod).

As much as this sucks, atleast this should force chip makes like Nvidia, AMD, and Intel to fix the ridiculous power consumption of their current SKUs, Nvidia especially made zero performance per watt improvements since pascal, driving TDPs over 400w !

As lunatic fringe as these 6 states are, I can see them banning top end GPUs and processors from sale in the state (Newegg, Micro Center, etc). Nothing like doubling down on stupid....

ThrashZoneCali is the only USA port on that side of north America lol

Oh? *Laughs in Washington*

Icon CharlieI've seen the Sound get frozen over in the Winter.

I have literally never seen this and I have lived here since the 90s.

lexluthermiesterInstead of making regulation that require sleep functions to meet certain power minimums

I'd prefer they actually used a hardware efficiency metric completely independent of cstates and sleep functions, like psu efficiency.

And for everyone blaming this or that on a certain party: stop. That's politics.

Why_MeYou're flat out lying. I was raised on Puget Sound and never in its entire history (other than maybe the ice age) has Puget Sound ever seen ice.

Yeah, thanks for the backup, fellow native. At times I have seen steam, but never ice.

I bet it where china stopped the bitcoin mining machines in their country and is trying to find a way to use all their machines over here so they are trying to cut the gaming computer so they can bitcoin mine here

R-T-BI'd prefer they actually used a hardware efficiency metric completely independent of cstates and sleep functions, like psu efficiency.

I'll go along with this! Long overdue! PSU's are the one part of PC tech that is lagging way behind the efficiency curve. If NASA can put power converters on probes and satellites that have a 99% efficiency, we can do 95%+ for PC, cost effectively.

R-T-BAnd for everyone blaming this or that on a certain party: stop. That's politics.

Also agree. This problem is about people in a government agency who are trying to get a positive thing done(credit where it's due), but did it the wrong way. The solution application needs to be addressed and fixed, not their intentions.

lexluthermiesterAlso agree. This problem is about people in a government agency who are trying to get a positive thing done(credit where it's due), but did it the wrong way. The solution application needs to be addressed and fixed, not their intentions.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This could have been handled in several other ways, like incentives for the producers to improve energy efficiency or even a progressive (the irony) sales tax. Instead they just dropped the ban hammer, because at least PCs are not covered by the second amendment and they can abuse of their power on the consumers as they wish.

Let's not get carried away with our emotions peeps and leave politics out of this;)

Puget Sound? Where the heck is that? Did it freeze? No way:confused:

bogmaliPuget Sound? Where the heck is that? Did it freeze? No way

Right? Heck, even Portland Oregon has decent number of shipyards.

If anyone doesn't believe that, go look at a map.

You people voted for climate change bs... You deserved it. Now see your politician make it a reality for you. See your gas and electric bill go up. Enjoy and don't move from where you're at. You're just gonna ruin another state.

This whole thread is predicated on an incomplete news post.

The power law being discussed actually allows high-power gaming rigs. It's all about the classification of middle-tier PC's that draw too much in idle. It's still a shitty, ill-conceived bill but all the folks getting their flag-waving pink panties in a twist can relax. It's not about taking away your powerful PC's. They're classed as 'High Expandability Computer' and exempt from the bill:

www.pcgamer.com/high-end-gaming-pcs-are-exempt-from-the-cec-power-regulations/

To fall into that category the PC needs at least a 600W PSU and have a discrete graphics card with a frame buffer of 600GB/s or greater. Again that covers seriously high-end gaming machines with high-end graphics cards, like the GeForce RTX 3080 (760GB/s) and RTX 3090 (936GB/s) but doesn't include the more power-conscious mid-range cards such as the RTX 3060 (360GB/s) or Radeon RX 6700 XT (512GB/s).

In other words, a high end PC has requirements that need to draw more power. A mid-tier one shouldn't. Still, bonkers.

@lexluthermiester actually has a point. It's been an energy saving mantra since the 90's - to switch off what's not in use.