Sunday, December 18th 2022

Intel Confirms LGA1851 is its Next Desktop CPU Socket

Intel as part of its development process with industry partners and OEMs, allegedly released technical documents in a bare URL that's worded to confirm that its next desktop processor socket will in fact be the LGA1851. We've had some idea since June 2021 that LGA1851 will succeed LGA1700, but this can be taken as a confirmation. Although with a higher pin-count, the LGA1851 package will be physically of an identical size to LGA1700, with mostly identical socket mechanism, so the new socket could maintain cooler compatibility with its predecessor. The additional 151 pins come from shrinking the "courtyard" (the region of the land grid in the center that lacks pins and instead has some electrical ancillaries).

The new Socket LGA1851 platform is expected to power Intel's "Meteor Lake-S" and "Arrow Lake-S" microarchitectures. Whether "Meteor Lake-S" gets the 14th Gen Core branding is a whole different question. Leaked benchmarks suggest that 2023 will be a rather slow year from Intel in the area of desktop processors, and that toward Q3-2023, the company will release the so-called "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors. These chips are likely built on the same LGA1700 package, and as we've seen from "Coffee Lake Refresh," could warrant a new generational branding to 14th Gen Core (as CFL Refresh formed the 9th Gen Core). Intel could increase clock-speeds, E-core counts, and other process/packaging-level innovations to segment these chips apart from existing 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." LGA1851 processors like "Meteor Lake" could debut chiplets for Intel, as these have their CPU cores, iGPU, memory-controllers, and uncore components, spread apart on chiplets built on various foundry nodes.
Source: VideoCardz
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53 Comments on Intel Confirms LGA1851 is its Next Desktop CPU Socket

#51
Richards
Minus InfinityBecause Meteor Lake is delayed. They are struggling big time with FPGA fabric, the new node Intel 4, and chiplet design. RL has to soldier on another year at least until early 2024.
Stop lying you d'not know nothing
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#52
marios15
GicaI don't know if those who buy Intel or AMD are smart or not, but I notice an anomaly with you. More, even. The first is that you upgraded the iGPU and memory. That was your goal, because you don't spend 4 years with a processor with Pentium performance, destroyed by an i3-7100. Combined with the three processors, the expenses were still consistent. Wouldn't it be better to invest in a GTX 1060? Even a 1050Ti destroys the integrated AMD in gaming, it even gives you a fluid experience on YouTube without keeping the processor at 80% (2200G - > 1200 inside).
I'm just saying. You can't say you saved money if you eat dry bread and other seafood.
The RAM upgrade was mostly for capacity 2x4GB 2666->2x8GB 3600, both were priced at ~85E on day of purchase.(I would have bought a used 480 if it wasn't for RAM prices in 2018)

I did not need 1050Ti/1060 performance, i'm mostly playing old games (pre 2014)
The integrated GPU on the 2200G actually has h264/265/VP9 decoder+encoder...at least up to 4K60, it would only stutter at 8K. But thank you for your concern.
It can also easily run madVR HDR->SDR + downscaling 4K -> 1080p with lots of options active, without dropping any frames, due to decoding/encoding support.
I guess these are the benefits of having an integrated GPU that is made by an actual GPU company.

Also when your budget is 200$, having to spend another 70-80$ on a motherboard is a lot.

Now I have a better paying job and don't care about the budget, but....I will still be able to upgrade the 5600G up to a 16-core 5950X, or a 5600X+dGPU, or a 5800X3D + dGPU

Do you think the 5800X3D/5900X/5950X will suddenly become slow?
They are still faster than 95% of the CPU market, last time i checked.
I still don't need the dGPU.

But i really like all the CPU options I have for the motherboard, I can pass it down to my family, keep the 5600G and put on a new motherboard before upgrading to anything else.(or keep the 2200G, that's also supported)
Any intel setup, would mean that I must buy everything from scratch every 18 months.

I still don't see any arguments, on why we must abandon the socket.
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#53
Gica
marios15The RAM upgrade was mostly for capacity 2x4GB 2666->2x8GB 3600, both were priced at ~85E on day of purchase.(I would have bought a used 480 if it wasn't for RAM prices in 2018)

I did not need 1050Ti/1060 performance, i'm mostly playing old games (pre 2014)
The integrated GPU on the 2200G actually has h264/265/VP9 decoder+encoder...at least up to 4K60, it would only stutter at 8K. But thank you for your concern.
So, we spend extra money for memory and processor upgrades (hundreds of dollars) but we brag that we can keep a $100 motherboard for 5 years. With an i3-8100 (roughly the same price as the 2200G in 2018) you did better on the decoding/encoding part via igp. For gaming, GTX 1050Ti is superior in all aspects of an igp, it runs games in 1080p with much higher fps than AMD processors can in 720p with Vega inside. For the upgrade, you now had the 8700(K) version, I think you can find it second hand for a little over $100.
In a word: less money spent for a much better feeling. And you kept the same motherboard for 5 years. :peace:
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Vega iGPU has big problems in youtube. At 2200G/3200G I start from 1440p@60FPS, the 4K@60FPS rendering is practically World of Stuttering.
I don't know how the 5600G behaves, that's why I propose a test.
1. Launch COSTA RICA IN 4K 60fps HDR (ULTRA HD), set 4k for playback (it doesn't matter what resolution the monitor supports)
2. Launch HWinfo
3. Put the video material in fullscreen
4. Right click on it, select "Stats for nerds"
5. Play
6. Press ALT+TAB to bring HWinfo to the front.
7. Reset the HWinfo timer
8. Wait ~4 minutes and take a SCREEN CAPTURE.
If CPU Usage is below 2% and drop frames is below 1%, it means that the Vega decoder in the 5600G really works well in YouTube.
Below you have a capture with the i5-12500 (UHD 770), but you can get the same performance with the 10th series (UHD 630), this igp being also included in the i3-8100, launched in 2017.
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