Monday, June 17th 2024
AMD Ryzen AI 9 300 Posts a 20% Performance Upgrade with Both Graphics and CPU Over Previous Gen
The top-spec AMD Ryzen AI 9 300 series "Strix Point" processor, the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, is expected to post a 20% performance improvement over both the CPU and integrated graphics fronts, over its predecessor, the Ryzen 9 8945HS "Hawk Point," according to leak by Golden Pig Upgrade. On the CPU front, the HX 370 packs a 12-core/24-thread CPU based on a combination of four "Zen 5" and eight "Zen 5c" cores. The single-thread performance gains on the basis of the "Zen 5" microarchitecture's generational IPC increase, besides higher clock speeds; while the multithreaded performance increases on account on more cores. This performance increase isn't linearly scaling with the 50% increase in core-count.
On "Hawk Point," all eight cores are "Zen 4," capable of boosting to high frequencies, with two of them being marked as CPPC preferred cores, capable of boosting the highest. On "Strix Point," however, only four cores are based on the "Zen 5" architecture and capable of boosting to high frequency bands; while the other eight are "Zen 5c," which don't boost as high. While the IPC of "Zen 5c" is identical to "Zen 5," the fact that it doesn't boost as high, means that the generational multithreaded performance gain from the core-count increase is expected to be closer to 20%, with Golden Pig Upgrade talking about a Cinebench R23 nT score of over 20000 points, with "Hawk Point" scoring around 16000 points.
Things get interesting with graphics. The new RDNA 3.5 iGPU on "Strix Point" packs 16 compute units (CU), compared to 12 CU on the "Hawk Point." These 16 CU work out to 1,024 stream processors, a 33% increase over the 768 stream processors of "Hawk Point," and yet there are many other factors that decide graphics performance besides CU count, and so Golden Pig Upgrade expects a 20% graphics performance improvement, which should make the new iGPU beat the Intel Arc Xe-LPG graphics of Core Ultra "Meteor Lake" processors by at least 20%. AMD, in its product announcement slide, claimed a 36% graphics performance lead over the Arc Graphics iGPU of the Core Ultra 9 185H processor.
As for the NPU, AMD has already claimed an AI inferencing performance of 50 TOPS, which goes a fair bit above the 40 TOPS required to meet Microsoft's Copilot+ AI PC program. This figure of NPU performance is needed for Windows to run local sessions of Copilot, minimizing back-and-forth from the Cloud, and improving privacy.
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On "Hawk Point," all eight cores are "Zen 4," capable of boosting to high frequencies, with two of them being marked as CPPC preferred cores, capable of boosting the highest. On "Strix Point," however, only four cores are based on the "Zen 5" architecture and capable of boosting to high frequency bands; while the other eight are "Zen 5c," which don't boost as high. While the IPC of "Zen 5c" is identical to "Zen 5," the fact that it doesn't boost as high, means that the generational multithreaded performance gain from the core-count increase is expected to be closer to 20%, with Golden Pig Upgrade talking about a Cinebench R23 nT score of over 20000 points, with "Hawk Point" scoring around 16000 points.
As for the NPU, AMD has already claimed an AI inferencing performance of 50 TOPS, which goes a fair bit above the 40 TOPS required to meet Microsoft's Copilot+ AI PC program. This figure of NPU performance is needed for Windows to run local sessions of Copilot, minimizing back-and-forth from the Cloud, and improving privacy.
42 Comments on AMD Ryzen AI 9 300 Posts a 20% Performance Upgrade with Both Graphics and CPU Over Previous Gen
During Covid one of the best selling products were 3060 based laptops as it was the least expensive way to buy a complete PC at the time. It even effected the Steam Charts. These handhelds are in a space where a 7800XT or 4070S compete with handhelds in price. Laptops are even worse as you can pay up to $7000 for a 4090 based Gaming laptop where I live.
If the performance is indeed 20% not us as consumers but the companies that are making handhelds will put even more pressure on APU prices. Right now a 5900X is cheaper than a 8700G.Where I live the "lowend" Strix board that I bought for AM5 was $600. Even B650E Strix boards are more expensive than X670E from some Companies. Strix for me means uncomprimised performance. The B550XE Strix is the best B550 board you can buy period. That board has features that put some X570 boards to shame.
As I said, all you need is look out for newest Ryzen 9.
If that is not enough, ask for AMD 370.
There is literally nothing confusing, as there are only two SKUs.
You can get an X570, slap in a 5700x3d and a 5700xt and bob's ya uncle, simplez.
I couldn't care less about naming, if it was limited to NPU/AI only series, with "ordinary" APU/mobile lineups, continuing their older garbage naming. But sadly, "there can be only one" (AI).
P.S.: they might push AI 300 support to W11 not only because W10 being EOL soon. But due to a bit better hybrid-friendly scheduler, as intel did with their Alder lake.That's the whole point. The AI products should eclipse all previous "non-intelligent" products. Core Ultra is of the same marketing "bottling".
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Personally, I'm waiting for Clippy Ultra for my next upgrade.
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Fits better in the context of higher margins. :laugh:
(Maybe he's out of his element..)
Is there any graph or slide they showed this on?His impression was that the 'hate' was press driven... I actually liked the numbering system. It was logical in 99% of cases. Sure, one could always nitpick one or two models that wouldn't fit perfectly, but hey, the world is not perfect either...
The "HX" ferish both by Intel and AMD is nonsesne. Nobody needs those letters near i9 or R9. If i9 or R9 cannot defend their top tier on their own, then letters will not help.
If anything, they could indicate desktop halo chip adapted to laptops with the last number, sich as 375, five points higher than Strix 370. Get rid off those terrible letters HX, XTX, etc. It's waste of everyone's time, trying effort and pronunciation effort.
It's all BS. Not that anyone cares or notices, as everyone's so upset with two letters in a name. Yeah it's a bad name but come on, the amount of pent up feelings in this thread is hilarious.
The Zen 5c are clocked much lower.
And we don't know the power consumption yet.
As for the IGP results it really depends on a lot of factors including but not limited to the "NPU" & how much TDP is reserved for it.