Monday, January 19th 2009

Microsoft's Official Statement Following EU Commission Objections on IE with Windows

It is not the first time that Microsoft has had run-ins with the European Commission. The problem that keeps coming up is what the commission believes to be anti-competitive practices, being that Microsoft is bundling its own software with Windows instead of offering them separately. As has been seen with Windows 7, Microsoft has tried to keep them happy this time, by only including Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. The rest can be downloaded free of charge, by what Microsoft has named the Windows Live Suite. It seems that this is not enough however, despite Internet Explorer being included in Microsoft's operating systems for over ten years, they have decided that this is an anti-competitive move by Microsoft, and as such have issued a Statement of Objections. The commission has given Microsoft approximately two months to respond, the official statement from Microsoft follows:

Yesterday Microsoft received a Statement of Objections from the Directorate General for Competition of the European Commission. The Statement of Objections expresses the Commission’s preliminary view that the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows since 1996 has violated European competition law. According to the Statement of Objections, other browsers are foreclosed from competing because Windows includes Internet Explorer. The Statement of Objections states that the remedies put in place by the U.S. courts in 2002 following antitrust proceedings in Washington, D.C. do not make the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows lawful under European Union law.

“We are committed to conducting our business in full compliance with European law. We are studying the Statement of Objections now. Under European competition law procedure, Microsoft will be afforded an opportunity to respond in writing to this Statement of Objections within about two months. The company is also afforded an opportunity to request a hearing, which would take place after the submission of this response. Under EU procedure, the European Commission will not make a final determination until after it receives and assesses Microsoft’s response and conducts the hearing, should Microsoft request one.
Sources: Hexus.net , Microsoft
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87 Comments on Microsoft's Official Statement Following EU Commission Objections on IE with Windows

#1
alexp999
Staff
They have already fined MS €899m for bundling WMP with windows.
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#2
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
lemonadesoda said:
At what point with the IDIOTS in the EU commission stop?

Will file manager (explorer) be next? Or windoews media player? Or jpg viewer? Or notepad? Or, gawd forbid, the keyboard and mouse drivers?
They've already got media player.
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#3
Dark_Webster
alexp999 said:
They have already fined MS €899m for bundling WMP with windows.
Another perfect example... why Microsoft not other companies. Apple bundles iTunes, Linux distros bundle Totem, Rhythmbox, etc..
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#4
xenos
LOL think of the money I could make in call out charges bringing Firefox on a USB stick or explaining to them how to use the FTP function in Windows Explorer to download a browser. hahahaha!!

The EU commission have scored an own goal here because they have really just shown that they don't have a clue and that they are grabbing MS profits. How about a demonstration of this browser-less OS for them? A 1 year trial for the EU commission!

MS should withdraw their products from the EU until their (the EU's) accounts are finally signed off for the first time in over a decade..

Just LOL
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#5
cool_recep
MS should block the updates for IE6 in EU. So that their PCs will be full of viruses, worms etc..

Do you remember the Windows version especially for EU? It had no WMP but it was sold with the same price as Retail Product.

It is like suing Volkswagen for mounting Blaupunkt sound system instead of Kenwood sound system :).....
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#6
Nick89
WELL OK EU, we'll release a crippled version of windows7 without internet explorer just for you, and you guys can have fun trying to goto website on an OS that doesnt have a web browser.
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#7
.:{KC}:.
nothing new but...you can surf the web by just typing the url in My Documents!
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#8
El Fiendo
Yea, that's part of the Internet Explorer is an essential service in Windows. If you notice it turns into an Internet Explorer window when you do. It's because essentially folder viewer and Internet Explorer are the same thing, with just a different interface.
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#9
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
.:{KC}:. said:
nothing new but...you can surf the web by just typing the url in My Documents!
My documents and internet explorer are very closely related in terms of coding I believe thats why it works but when I tried it out their all it did was open IE.
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#10
El Fiendo
DrPepper said:
My documents and internet explorer are very closely related in terms of coding I believe thats why it works but when I tried it out their all it did was open IE.
On Vista (and probably on 7 too) all it does is open a new window. However in XP it just makes the folder window an Internet Explorer window. Other than that yea, bang on.
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#11
spearman914
lemonadesoda said:
Idiotic EU.

Just imagine this: Windows WITHOUT IE. That means when u install windows there is nothing to give you access to the internet!!!

Cool:banghead:so how can people now download ANY alternative browser.

EU commission are idiots of the biggeest kind. The people that came up with this idiotic notion should be fired. Nay, hung drawn and quartered. I can't stand how much tax we pay for those cronies. Now the recession is on, i want to see SERIOUS CUTS in EU bureaucrats and their cushy salaries and benefits.


****

I have a GREAT suggestion. MS should install an "automatic IE uninstaller" with every next windows update. If you have an "EU" copy of Windows, IE will get zapped. That way, let thousands of businesses fall on their knees and DEMAND that the commission is brought to justice!

I am just dumbfounded at their lunacy and incompetence! :banghead:
Good question. People who currently own windows can download Firefox Portable edition. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable And copy it to a computer w/o internet. Solution solved.

But anyways,

Dear EU,

Please click this link. http://boardgames.about.com/library/graphics/tf05idiot1.jpg

Sincerely, I don't think u'll understand my name cuz ur an idiot.
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#12
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
I think microsoft could include a disk that comes with WMP and IE so that means it is optional and on the manual or the box for windows have an instruction saying that "due to the current idiocy of the EU we cannot legally include a web browser. Please install the contents of this disk to gain access to one of the fundamental purposes of a computer"
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#13
El Fiendo
spearman914 said:
Good question. People who currently own windows can download Firefox Portable edition. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable And copy it to a computer w/o internet. Solution solved.

But anyways,

Dear EU,

Please click this link. http://boardgames.about.com/library/graphics/tf05idiot1.jpg

Sincerely, I don't think u'll understand my name cuz ur an idiot.
And if the end user doesn't have access to a second computer? I don't know about you but alot of my installs I prefer to do by myself. I don't want to have to run to a friends / internet cafe / library or ANYTHING to just get on the internet. I want it to work. Simple. From there I can decide because that is my right as a consumer. I don't need a governing body to yell at the big bad corporations for making my life easier. Also, please elaborate on your link. I fail to see how Microsoft is being stupid on this. As pointed out, everyone else does it.
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#14
hat
Enthusiast
Are these people coming to work drunk or something?

I don't see how bundling IE is anti-competetive anyway. I've never seen an internet browser that needed to be paid for.

Windows and Internet Explorer are both products of Microsoft, so I don't understand how Microsoft is violating any kind of law by making Internet Explorer a part of Windows.

Could you imagine Windows without Explorer?

I suppose that we should all have to download seperate programs to eventually create an operating system ourselves. Joe Blow's Explorer, Bob's Kernel, Billy's Desktop, etc... until you create a functional OS yourself?
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#15
spearman914
El Fiendo said:
And if the end user doesn't have access to a second computer? I don't know about you but alot of my installs I prefer to do by myself. I don't want to have to run to a friends / internet cafe / library or ANYTHING to just get on the internet. I want it to work. Simple. From there I can decide because that is my right as a consumer. I don't need a governing body to yell at the big bad corporations for making my life easier. Also, please elaborate on your link. I fail to see how Microsoft is being stupid on this. As pointed out, everyone else does it.
Just download it on a USB or something for now. Or just hope at what DrPepper said.
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#16
hat
Enthusiast
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Run to someone else's computer just to get Internet.
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#17
Binge
Overclocking Surrealism
Soon TPU will be liable for the links on the main page leading to other places on TPU. A total monopoly. Watch out W1zz
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#18
El Fiendo
Thankfully Canada isn't controlled by the EU, so I don't have to worry about it immediately. However if this kind of mindset keeps up things will just get ridiculous. I personally think its a great idea to have Internet Explorer bundled. I can't recall if 95 or 98 was bundled with a browser. If it was I couldn't find it. Point is I'd have to rifle through CDs and diskettes looking for my precious copy of Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator provided by our first ISP. Living with 2 sisters and a brother who used the same computer, the damn thing was never in the same place. I'd rather not have to be bothered with something else to keep track of, and just have things work.
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#19
hat
Enthusiast
How dare TPU monopolize itself!
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#20
Baer
This is from the same group of retards that gave us lead free solder. Lead free solder, besides being less reliable, requires a 20 degree C higher soldering temperature, which multiplied by 45,000 wave solder machines running around the world burns millions of additional barrels of oil. Engineering done by politicians is ridiculous.
This is the same EU that made MS take out the ability to add an address bar to the task bar when they released the latest service pack for Xp. It is no wonder not much in the way of advancement comes out of Europe anymore. What a shame.
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#21
Katanai
How do you get another browser without the internet? How do you get another browser without the internet? How do you get another browser without the internet? How do you get another browser without the internet? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


Well how do you get Windows on that PC in the first place? Through magic?

:shadedshu

Sometimes man I don't get people at all...
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#22
Woody112
Hell with it, lets get rid of windows all together and go back to DOS. I can see it now DOS for dumb asses will be selling like hot cakes:laugh:
I miss playing star field.:roll:
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#23
silkstone
They should bundle it with a choice. When you set-up it could connect and ask which browser you want to use and give you the option to type an address for a different browser.
The way it's done now is still anti-competitive. Think of all those Dell rig's where no one changes the browser as it already comes with IE. They are not giving their buyers a choice and a browser is a seperate piece of software from the OS.

It's true that they don;t make any money of IE, but they make a shed load from the default home-page address, and search funictions. Think of how many people have no idea how to change that.
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#24
Ripper3
There are lots of things where I believe the EU are correct, but this is not one of them. At first, it started out as a joke. Removing Media Player? Pfft, so what, just install it off the disc or off the internet.
Now though, this is just plain silly.
Microsoft includes Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Windows Media Centre (on some versions).
Apple includes Safari, iTunes, Quicktime, FrontRow and DVD Player. And you're basically locked into using those until you find some form of alternatives, just like MS. I think if you're going to start suing for anti-trust, you might as well make it fair. Hell, Apple has even more anti-trust issues. You can't install their OS on another machine, their MP3 players use proprietary means of storing music and videos and whatever, let alone transferring them, and they use proprietary connectors here, there and everywhere.
Not saying I don't like Apple, but it's sort of showing the EU has double standards, although MS is the biggest in the industry, and so they'll always be right in the firing line I guess.
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#25
Lillebror
When apple grows bigger, they will also get a shot from EU. Its always the big guys that have to watch out.
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