Tuesday, March 24th 2009

RV790 Reaches 1.00 GHz, Indicates Overclocked SKUs in the Making

Following our report of ASUS preparing an overclocked Radeon HD 4890 accelerator with clock speeds well above 900 MHz (core) and 1000 MHz (memory), the possibility has come to surface that AMD has carved out a new range of Radeon HD 4890 accelerators from the unusually high overclocking headroom the RV790 GPU has. The credit also goes to the reference-design PCB, which is known to possess some of the highest quality digital PWM components to handle power, and 4 GT/s GDDR5 memory, which is now known to have a good overclocking headroom.

It has surfaced on the forums of Chinese tech community PCInLife, that the RV790 rather effortlessly reached the 1 GHz mark, the slider-limit of Catalyst Control Center, sparking off fresh rumors that AMD partners may be creating a fresh niche of highly-overclocked cards shortly after Radeon HD 4890 comes to be. The overclocker reached speeds of 1 GHz (core) and 1125 MHz (4.50 GHz effective, memory). At the said speeds, the card was put through 3DMark Vantage with its eXtreme settings. It churned-out a score of X5480, which puts its performance somewhere between those of the GeForce GTX 280 and GeForce GTX 285. It should also be taken into account that the drivers RV790 users the world over have been using, are preliminary beta drivers. AMD plans to release Catalyst 9.4 with the release of Radeon HD 4890, which just may impact positively on the performance of the product.
Factory-overclocked cards based on ATI Radeon have since now been a formality. Even cards with the iconic HIS IceQ TurboX branding, haven't been known to have high (~15~20%) increase in clock speeds. With this feat surfacing, it has been established that the RV790 holds the capability to reach some very high clock speeds. On course to the 1 GHz mark, the overclocker at PCInLife comfortably reached 925/1025 MHz (X5021) and 950/1075 MHz (X5202). It sounds plausible that these speeds could be the speeds factory-overclocked cards come at, with a branding system similar to what NVIDIA uses: a tier-1 (light overclock), tier-2 (moderate overclock), tier-3 (high overclock), and tier-4 (extreme overclock). At any rate, this is turning out to be an exciting fortnight for the high-end GPU industry.
Source: PCInLife
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103 Comments on RV790 Reaches 1.00 GHz, Indicates Overclocked SKUs in the Making

#51
TheMailMan78
Big Member
For all intensive purposes its a new chip.
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#52
Valdez
Nothing new in this, this happened before with r300. R300 (r9700) became r350(r9800pro), after that r360(r9800xt). They were basically the same gpus, only the clocks were different.
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#53
$ReaPeR$
how can you argue on if this chip is or isnt an rv 770 since we do not know thw technical specs in detail?!!!! we do not know anything yet for this chip lets just wait and then argue on it.
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#54
newtekie1
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ValdezThe rv790's die size is also bigger than the rv770's
Where did you find the die size specs? I haven't seen any evidence of a die size increase.
iStinkit takes AMD 1ghz to do what it takes nvidia 650mhz to do.

I understand there's differences in architecture, but doesn't a chip using a higher frequency need more voltage? And less voltage for more performance is where we want to go, not more voltage for equal amount of performance...

Still though, as always, amd will need to offer these cards at a killer price to compete with nvidia. Also, they aren't using havok in their drivers just yet. These preliminary tests show promise.
With ATi the core and shaders run at the same speed, with nVidia they don't. nVidia's shaders are way over 1GHz, and the shaders are the work horses.
TheMailMan78Yeah that kinda gives it away as a new chip. But hey time will tell. However you wanna bet newtekie1?
Is the die size bigger? I haven't seen anything stating this.
TheMailMan78For all intensive purposes its a new chip.
If you say so...We'll just have to wait for the cards to actually come out and for W1z to do a review on them.
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#55
AltecV1
Quote:
Originally Posted by iStink View Post
it takes AMD 1ghz to do what it takes nvidia 650mhz to do.

I understand there's differences in architecture, but doesn't a chip using a higher frequency need more voltage? And less voltage for more performance is where we want to go, not more voltage for equal amount of performance...

Still though, as always, amd will need to offer these cards at a killer price to compete with nvidia. Also, they aren't using havok in their drivers just yet. These preliminary tests show promise.
With ATi the core and shaders run at the same speed, with nVidia they don't. nVidia's shaders are way over 1GHz, and the shaders are the work horses.


your 100% right
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#56
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
newtekie1How do you know? Have you seen the chip?
Yes



It has been confirmed that the new chip has a larger die. That's probably to minimize inter-component leakages.
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#57
iStink
newtekie1With ATi the core and shaders run at the same speed, with nVidia they don't. nVidia's shaders are way over 1GHz, and the shaders are the work horses.
Which requires more voltage though? I mean, does it pretty much even out between the two or would it make more sense to save voltage on the gpu and redirect a portion of it to the shaders.
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#59
newtekie1
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iStinkWhich requires more voltage though? I mean, does it pretty much even out between the two or would it make more sense to save voltage on the gpu and redirect a portion of it to the shaders.
The whole core gets the same amount of voltage as far as I am aware, though it is possible that more voltage is being directed towards the shaders than the rest of the GPU.
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#60
Steevo
All I have seen in this thread, is
ATI fanbois running rampant like a all girl sleepover on redbull, and Nvidia fanbois proclaiming that the new chip is junk and will never be as precious as their rebadged hardware.
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#61
erocker
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SteevoAll I have seen in this thread, is
ATI fanbois running rampant like a all girl sleepover on redbull, and Nvidia fanbois proclaiming that the new chip is junk and will never be as precious as their rebadged hardware.
It's happened before and will happen again and again and again and again....
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#62
sneekypeet
Retired Super Moderator
IDK im a bit of an Nvidia fanboy since I got my 280, but still a 1GHz core clock is just a mark that gives any user a but of a chub. Congrats IMHO to ATI/AMD for breaking the barrier with it on a retail level!
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#63
iStink
SteevoAll I have seen in this thread, is
ATI fanbois running rampant like a all girl sleepover on redbull, and Nvidia fanbois proclaiming that the new chip is junk and will never be as precious as their rebadged hardware.
PICK A SIDE OR GTFO!

i kid of course ;)
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#64
TheMailMan78
Big Member
SteevoAll I have seen in this thread, is
ATI fanbois running rampant like a all girl sleepover on redbull, and Nvidia fanbois proclaiming that the new chip is junk and will never be as precious as their rebadged hardware.
ATI FTW! Nvidia SUXOR! Fanbois unite!
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#66
MrMilli
newtekie1How do you know? Have you seen the chip? Have you seen any real tech specs on it? What changes have been done? Do we even know a transistor count?

All we are going on is AMD naming it RV790, that is really the only thing that tells use it is a new chip. I'm just saying, I don't think it is any different from RV770. I believe RV790 is nothing more than a binned RV770, and the PCB has been beefed up to allow higher more stable voltage, leading to higher clocks. There have been no changes to the core itself.
RV790 is built on a new process (55GT). That alone makes it a new chip.
newtekie1The whole core gets the same amount of voltage as far as I am aware, though it is possible that more voltage is being directed towards the shaders than the rest of the GPU.
R6xx/R7xx generation chips use multiple clock/voltage domains (even thought the rops & shaders run on the same clock).


Like btarunr mentioned, the rv790 will be bigger probably to minimize inter-component leakages and it will be built on a better 55mn process. The PCB will have better power circuitry too.
So even if the main voltage increases, that doesn't have to translate into a higher TDP or heat output at 850Mhz. That is, if they can drastically decrease leakage (which seems to be true).
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#67
Selene
Nvidia needs to can the whole GTX275 Idea, we dont need another card, thats lower then the GTX280/285.
bring on the GT212 dang it!
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#68
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
TheMailMan78For all intensive purposes its a new chip.
for all intensive purposes its a modified RV770, call it whatever you like its an RV770 made to run faster, whatever that entails great.

your saying its a different chip solely because the die size is different (all we know so far, AT A GLANCE)

what we actually know so far is it performs exactly as an equally clocked 4870 does, its a faster running RV770.
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#69
InnocentCriminal
Resident Grammar Amender
... but wouldn't it be incorrect to call it a RV770 when it's a RV790?
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#70
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
InnocentCriminal... but wouldn't it be incorrect to call it a RV770 when it's a RV790?
yes its RV790, that's what they have decided to call the chip. this is all so speculative anyway, i cant wait till W1z gets his hands on it and facts become facts. I am very confident of what the results will be.
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#71
InnocentCriminal
Resident Grammar Amender
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it as well.
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#72
Steevo
To throw in, at least this isn't just rebadged 3870 making the rounds with a different cooler and MOAR STICKARZ!!!!!
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#73
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
Crap I was hoping this was a bad chip so my card wouldn't be worth less monies :(
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#74
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
wolfyour saying its a different chip solely because the die size is different (all we know so far, AT A GLANCE).
That's not all, it's a new package. Can't you see the package components around the die different? It is a different GPU that happens to share the same specs. as the RV770. By your logic, a GTX 285 is a rebadged GTX 280, and a GTS 250, a rebadged 8800 GTS-512. You're probably going to say "no way! GTX 285/GTS 250 are 55 nm", well? now that's a new package with the same specs, and higher clock speeds, isn't it? Same with this. Both RV770 and RV790 are built on the "55 nm" lithography, though not the same process. RV790 comes on a newer, more advanced process within 55 nm.
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#75
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
btarunrThat's not all, it's a new package. Can't you see the package components around the die different? It is a different GPU that happens to share the same specs. as the RV770. By your logic, a GTX 285 is a rebadged GTX 280, and a GTS 250, a rebadged 8800 GTS-512. You're probably going to say "no way! GTX 285/GTS 250 are 55 nm", well? now that's a new package with the same specs, and higher clock speeds, isn't it? Same with this. Both RV770 and RV790 are built on the "55 nm" lithography, though not the same process. RV790 comes on a newer, more advanced process within 55 nm.
i never ever claimed GT200b was a new GPU, its a shrink, no more, no less.

like i said, we "know" (from preliminaries) it performs the same as a 4870 at that speed, so really, what does it bring to the table except for higher speeds (which arent to be downplayed, everyone loves faster gear) whatever changes have been made on the CHIP serve to facilitate this speed, clock for clock we are seeing no benefits.

as you say its a different GPU carrying the same specs, so pretty much the same deal as GT200 to GT200b except in place of a shrink we have some minor tweaks.

I am a huge fan of the competition, and it would be nice to see this card force nvidias hand on pricing or a new card.

and @ Steevo, get used to it man, the better part of us are irrational when it comes to hardware. ATi lovers will always think their new unreleased GPU will tear nvidia limb from limb and it never really does, they compete well, as they should. just as nvidia fanboys think they can hold the crown forever, they cant, and it wouldn't be fun if they did.
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