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Guys the AMD chips are great and do have enough power for just about anything but they don't compare at all to overclocked I7 chips, I've owned them both and it is not close. This is a dumb arguement, since the AM3 were never ment to compete with the I7 chips. However, what is unreal is that they can exceed or reach similar performance to a stock I7 speeds at a fraction of the cost while using DDr2. AMD chips are very good and much more cost effective than their intel cousins but they are not faster.

i second this!

ive had the pII 940, and my i7 920 @ stock is faster than my phenom was @ 3.75

AMD can pull out a 4.0GHz phenom, and it would still perform below the cheapest i7 chip.

overheating core i7 can't ramp up speed

the overheating core i7 can't increase stock speed beyond 3.3, overheats too much because of hyperthreading, phenom II is power efficient and stays cool, which gives room for increasing stock speed using stock cooler

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26915&stc=1&d=1246140427

a i7 920 can be overclocked from 3.4-3.8 on stock voltages, and you can turn off hyperthreading if you really wanted to.
and one more thing, the temps from both my phenom and my i7 are almost identical.... 30ish idle, 55-60 load.
 
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i second this!

ive had the pII 940, and my i7 920 @ stock is faster than my phenom was @ 3.75

AMD can pull out a 4.0GHz phenom, and it would still perform below the cheapest i7 chip.



i think you dont believe what you are saying
 

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sure there not faster regaurdless... a statement was made about 4ghz (its self) lol that i found to be untrue i just gave 2 cent of truth :)
 
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There are plenty of other threads to have your AMD vs. Intel debates. This news story is not one of them.

Thanks. :)
 

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There are plenty of other threads to have your AMD vs. Intel debates. This news story is not one of them.

Thanks. :)

AMD anouncemnts always bring out the best in everyone Intel and AMD its not a debate they we just comparing. Its imposible not to cause its the only thing we can , that is until nvidia releases that chip they deny exist :)
 

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AMD anouncemnts always bring out the best in everyone Intel and AMD its not a debate they we just comparing. Its imposible not to cause its the only thing we can , that is until nvidia releases that chip they deny exist :)


imagine an nvidia cpu, probably cuad core 970 gtx ultra, ja, ja,ja i dont want even to imagine that, with intel is enough (we dont need more bad guys)
 

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overheating core i7 can't ramp up speed

the overheating core i7 can't increase stock speed beyond 3.3, overheats too much because of hyperthreading, phenom II is power efficient and stays cool, which gives room for increasing stock speed using stock cooler

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26915&stc=1&d=1246140427

That is the biggest load of crap I have seen. We have members here well above 4Ghz on air on their i7's.

Do you ever post anything true about intel, or just continually spout fanboy bs propaganda?

Quit being a troll.
 

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http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr17/tastegw/twins.jpg

not asking you to believe me, i was just telling you the facts that are true to my two cpu's.

i no longer have the phenom, but its benchmarks results when overclocked to 3.7 are just below the i7 @ stock.

a small sample of a vantage bench,
both chips @ 3.7-3.8
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr17/tastegw/corevphe.jpg

need i say more.

thats one benchmark not exactly tell all sorta tale with that throw a second VGA card on both rebench and tell us all the scores. you will notice the 940BE all of a sudden catch back up thats called a better chipset and it does weird things like work better.

also everyone knows that clock for clock i7 beats phenom II thats a given. just leave it there and move on a 3.4ghz phenom II will beat a 2.66ghz i7 in just about everything there is no if's, no and's, no but's. if you would like you can run that one rendering bench were i7 might skim by in the lead but i doubt it.


That is the biggest load of crap I have seen. We have members here well above 4Ghz on air on their i7's.

Do you ever post anything true about intel, or just continually spout fanboy bs propaganda?

Quit being a troll.

hmm didn't overheat last time i clocked one up





not exactly a godlike air cooler either
 

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thats one benchmark not exactly tell all sorta tale with that throw a second VGA card on both rebench and tell us all the scores. you will notice the 940BE all of a sudden catch back up thats called a better chipset and it does weird things like work better.

also everyone knows that clock for clock i7 beats phenom II thats a given. just leave it there and move on a 3.4ghz phenom II will beat a 2.66ghz i7 in just about everything there is no if's, no and's, no but's. if you would like you can run that one rendering bench were i7 might skim by in the lead but i doubt it.

Yeah, but if current pricing is any indication, the i7 will actually be cheaper at this point.

And have you proven your scaling theory yet? Because I see Intel has the top 15 spots in Vantage on the Orb, and the top 14 in 06. I don't think your scaling theory holds water cd.
 

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Yeah, but if current pricing is any indication, the i7 will actually be cheaper at this point.

And have you proven your scaling theory yet? Because I see Intel has the top 15 spots in Vantage on the Orb, and the top 14 in 06. I don't think your scaling theory holds water cd.

the i7's have more clocks to them than AMD can scale thru however me and freaksavior have a box of VGA cards waiting for free time
 

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the i7's have more clocks to them than AMD can scale thru however me and freaksavior have a box of VGA cards waiting for free time

I still wanna see, if no no other reason than a good scientific comparo. (Hey, those are always fun. lol) But I'm starting to think the issue was possibly from immature BIOSes in the Intel camp. i7 made a huge surge forward in 3Dmarks in the past month or so.
 

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Is that your setup?

well i wouldn't call it my setup as much as i used a certain setup for an extended period of time


http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=97259

I still wanna see, if no no other reason than a good scientific comparo. (Hey, those are always fun. lol) But I'm starting to think the issue was possibly from immature BIOSes in the Intel camp. i7 made a huge surge forward in 3Dmarks in the past month or so.

if it happens it happens no hate from me i just know what i saw so far and more cards seem to work better on AMD however when you throw an ungodly faster cpu in the mix AMD tends to water down a bit
 
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thats one benchmark not exactly tell all sorta tale with that throw a second VGA card on both rebench and tell us all the scores. you will notice the 940BE all of a sudden catch back up thats called a better chipset and it does weird things like work better.

also everyone knows that clock for clock i7 beats phenom II thats a given. just leave it there and move on a 3.4ghz phenom II will beat a 2.66ghz i7 in just about everything there is no if's, no and's, no but's. if you would like you can run that one rendering bench were i7 might skim by in the lead but i doubt it.

im sorry but atleast my phenom 940 clocked @ 3.7 didnt beat any of my stock i7 benches that i did. the only win the phenom got was when it had my gtx 280's physx, while i do not have physx in my i7 rig.
 

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im sorry but atleast my phenom 940 clocked @ 3.7 didnt beat any of my stock i7 benches that i did. the only win the phenom got was when it had my gtx 280's physx, while i do not have physx in my i7 rig.

did you run anything other than 3dmark vantage?

cause there are about a dozen benchmarks right here that show the phenom II and core i7 920 trading blows


http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/260318-28-phenom-benchmarks


skip to the gaming benchmarks and watch it trade blows if not beat the i7 in a couple of spots

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3551&p=1

yet your 3.7gh phenom II couldn't keep up with a stock 2.66ghz i7 when the 3.2ghz stock clocked 955BE can? :confused:
 
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perhaps that is the difference from ddr3 1600 to ddr2 800
 

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perhaps that is the difference from ddr3 1600 to ddr2 800

wrong, the difference between phenom II ddr2 and ddr3 is 5% maximum , why dont you accept that what you said is wrong. and move on please.
 

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wrong, the difference between phenom II ddr2 and ddr3 is 5% maximum , why dont you accept that what you said is wrong. and move on please.

snake, the whole reason i even posted here was for your nonsense

overheating core i7 can't ramp up speed

the overheating core i7 can't increase stock speed beyond 3.3, overheats too much because of hyperthreading, phenom II is power efficient and stays cool, which gives room for increasing stock speed using stock cooler

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26915&stc=1&d=1246140427

i have said it once, and ill say it again, my phenom overclocked was still a lesser cpu than my i7 @ stock.

im not the one trying to be a fanboy, i have owned 3 different AMD systems in the last year.
 
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it was probably a bad overclocked

or hes comparing a lesser gpu with a higher end gpu on the i7 when doing the vantage run
 
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it was probably a bad overclocked

or hes comparing a lesser gpu with a higher end gpu on the i7 when doing the vantage run

phenom had a gtx 280 by its side,

i7 has a 4770.

i wasnt compairing gpu scores or total scores.
 

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phenom had a gtx 280 by its side,

i7 has a 4770.

i wasnt compairing gpu scores or total scores.

give it up, nobody believes what you said not even you, if you want to learn go to review sites and learn a little. and then speak based on reality , and move on
 
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