So where is this DX10 patch for XP

[AshenSugar]

apk what i ment was, ms should have totaly dumped pre win32 app support, removing that crap, with r2 you get ms virtual server(virtual pc server edtion) you can use to run latacy apps on their native os, or you can get vmware for that as well, bouth offer more native support for OLD apps because the apps are running on their native os not emulation.

ms needs to dump out the clutter and crap and make a version of nt thats even more lean and mean then 2003, an os for gamers and performance nuts like most of us, people who dont really want a fisher price or lifesaver gui(vista's default gui is cheezy to me to.....i like form follows function not "eww lets make everything perty!!!!!!" that crap is why i get annoied when i work with macs, stupid noobert gui's bother me.

apk imagin this tho, an os based on BeOS that was fully win32 complyant, and ran on anything p133/128mb ram and up, i dont know how much you know about BeOS but it was a GREAT design, the thing that killed it honestly was when ms pushed it out of the OEM market by thretening their OEM's if they sold systems with Be preinstalled, siting licencing terms that fobid them from doing such.

be's file system is nice, im not expert but the way it works is just wicked, 64bit(this was back in the windows 95 days mind you) uses attributes to do alot of stuff, making searching faster, also avoiding use of a registry(one of the most annoing things in windows to be honest) i really wish ms had just bought BeOS and built a new windows off its core, a buddy of mine is still running my old celeronA 366 system with BeOS on it, its still fast even by todays standreds, it hasnt been shutdown or restarted in years(hes got everything on ups's) and its still used for office work and some old skool gaming every time i go over it makes me nastalgic for beos and what it so easly could have been

and linux nuts are just as bad as old skool mac nuts, they will insist that FUD is FACT all day and night and if you proove them wrong, they will just yell at you or keep argueing that your wrong.

example the other night i had a FOOL try and tell me that linux is better for gaming then windows in every way, that any windows game you could find would run on linux no problem, then when i mentioned the fact that most people arent programers and dont want to spend 4hrs making 1 game work on linux let along spend that 4hrs making 1 game work and finding out that they broke 5 other games to make that one work......

sure native linux games do tend to run better then the windows version on the same hardware, but most games are pure native windows, and as such SUCK under linux.

he also insisted that dx10 games would run under linux as soon as they hit stores and in full dx10 quility to boot..........he got booted from the irc room after about 20 min of ranting at 7 or so of us who where telling him he was full of crap, he angered an op who was his buddy and got a kickban for a week (apk i told you that rooms good )

funny part is about 1/3 of more of the ppl in that room use linux as eather their main os or only os and the rest en large have at least some exp with it, one was even a linux programer.....all of them that game have windows on its own box or in dual boot....think that says something

 

[AshenSugar]

oh i understand about shipdates, but i also understand how some companys work, they set dates without listening to the people doing the work OR even asking them, a friend of mine use to work for VUG as a game programer, he couldnt say anything good about them, they rushed out 2 projects he was on MONTHS early, so early infact the games where almost unplayable, patching didnt help much due to the number of problems, in the end they just dumped support and removed the games from their websites(pretended they never happened)

one game they pushed out early only needed 2 weeks to fix all the campain/script buggs, but because the ppl in charge didnt ask anybody at the company doing the dev work the game got pushed out early, and ended up almost getting the company sued, the first patch was around 230mb, mind you this is back when most ppl had 56k not cable/dsl, then vug got mad that people where downloading and burning the update and sending it to people....even banned them from forums vug had control and influance over......

its publishers like that, that cause us to get 1/2 ass games and apps.

and APK, where they to take the extra time between versions to get them all to server level EVERYBODY would be happyer, ms could put out a beta version for pub testing a year early, take reports, let driver devs and software devs work out buggs and report buggs in the os, acctualy make a better mouse trap, that when it came out was truely ready to shine, and ready for prime.

imagin if you will a world where games came out when they where truely out of the beta phases.

a world where ms dosnt rush out new versions of windows just to maintain market share, where they take the extra time to make sure that the desktop/workstation version of the os is SERVER QUILITY, a world where they stoped supporting apps that where writen to run on an 8080/8088/80286/80386/80486/80586/80686 in the core os, moving that support over to virtual machiens like apple did with osx, to me this would be a great development, and would lead to ms having to do alot less work to fix buggs caused by that lagacy code, also would mean better perf and less buggs for the system to cache(viruses and such) since old stuff wouldnt work

i just get so tired of the "rush it out" "make a buck" mantality of western companys, if a japnese company put out a peice of software as shoddy as what we see for games and windows today they would loose so much face they would probbly go out of buisness or at the very least endup having to recall it and issue a pubik appology, something u willl never see vug,atari or ms do!!!!

and WGA still has problems, honestly i got the ultimet fix for WGA and piracy, it sounds crazy to many people but here it is.

lower the price of GEEKWARE sell us geeks a version of windows at a fraction of the retail and normal OEM price, this version without acctivation, whithout any phone support (unless you pay for it) the only support it would get is windows updates.

sell starter30buks, home basick for 45bucks, home prem 65, buisness preimum75, ultimet 95-120 range.
sure its a cheaper price, BUT heres the thing, geeks like us, the ones who enlarge aquier our software illegaly would buy it because IT IS CHEAP and we dont need or want ms support, sure some ppl would still steal it, but that number would be 1 hell of alot smaller then it is now.
ms would save $ not having to deal with WGA and other problems from us geeks, because "we dont need their fing help" and nomatter what they say they would still make $ off each copy, also us geeks would be a sorce of promotion for windows, we would be shoing it off to our friends/family and even strangers if it was good enought and on a laptop.

this is why ms gave out so many copys of server 2003 FREE on top of the trial versions, as well as not blocking probbable hacked keys for 2003, because most ppl using 2003 as a workstation endup promoting its sale by the good press they give it and good word of mouth they give it, an ms rep said that exect thing to me.


ms wants to stop/slow piracy, get smart, insted of fighting it with crap like WGA give people windows at a price they can afford for a decent version without the hassles.


but ms wants to get every dime they can from each sale, dispite the fact that the harder they grab the more slips thru their fingers....

 

[Alec§taar]

apk what i ment was, ms should have totaly dumped pre win32 app support,

Aha, got ya... I have heard that tack before, & it would make life easier for MS no doubt... but, it might alienate folks.

See, in commercial business environs? Sometimes, you CAN'T find a turnkey solution via some older KEY applications, that may have been written in Win16 or even DOS code... yes, it happens.

Removal of that 'Crap'? Might turn a BIG customer (or even many tiny ones) to alternates like Linux/UNIX... & can't have that! lol...

removing that crap, with r2 you get ms virtual server(virtual pc server edtion) you can use to run latacy apps on their native os, or you can get vmware for that as well, bouth offer more native support for OLD apps because the apps are running on their native os not emulation.

I ran R2... it floored my rig. It's not final afaik either... It ran great for around a month here, & then suddenly? POP! One day I could not boot OR recover... & I tried every trick I know for it... lost one HELL of a great setup too, compilers & all (ghost was not current either on it).

Could have been me, but it's not being a FINAL then? Well... you know!

Is it FINAL now?

(I was upset w/ myself, because I put up a post saying it was GREAT... & around 1-2 weeks later, it began lagging various simple operations & BOOM, down it went shortly after! I would like to find that post & amend it to be honest! I 'jumped the gun' stupidly, imo!)

ms needs to dump out the clutter and crap and make a version of nt thats even more lean and mean then 2003, an os for gamers and performance nuts like most of us, people who dont really want a fisher price or lifesaver gui(vista's default gui is cheezy to me to.....i like form follows function not "eww lets make everything perty!!!!!!" that crap is why i get annoied when i work with macs, stupid noobert gui's bother me.

It would be nice... but, I don't think it will happen because of the business reasons & legacy apps customers use from 3rd parties that no longer may exist, & to which they have NO SOURCECODE for porting it to newer OS...

See, on this note?

I have been parts of teams that rewrite such legacy apps (homegrown/inhouse stuff) say porting from DOS/Win9x FoxPro -> Windows 2000 & Oracle or SQLServer on the back end... & trust me: NOT TRIVIAL, & large!

(1 million++ lines of code alone, a few times now doing "enterprise class development" stuff that runs the business, & that's NOT counting SQL work on the Servers & changing data type mismatches that diff. DB engines treat differently & FAR more).

Again - I feel as you do, & agree, but it is NOT how it works, for money reasons & yes, time in porting reasons, & why, how I noted it above.

To quote Sgt. Barnes from the film PLATOON: "There's the way it oughtta be, & there's the way it is"...

(NO ONE CAN KILL BARNES... EXCEPT BARNES! lol...)

apk imagin this tho, an os based on BeOS that was fully win32 complyant, and ran on anything p133/128mb ram and up, i dont know how much you know about BeOS but it was a GREAT design, the thing that killed it honestly was when ms pushed it out of the OEM market by thretening their OEM's if they sold systems with Be preinstalled, siting licencing terms that fobid them from doing such.

I thought Os/2 was going to BE that man...

& I guessed wrong.

STILL good came outta it (legacy apps, companies I worked @ had them, the NCR division too, had Os/2 & i had work tuning & tweaking it for them ontop of my dev duties in VB4)...

Some of NT came out of it, NTFS based off of (partially) HPFS designs & blocks/band/extents type design iirc (not same security though)...

On Os/2 in the end? WELL, I guessed wrong & spent money on it, defraggers, & backup tools for it + Office apps too.

be's file system is nice, im not expert but the way it works is just wicked, 64bit(this was back in the windows 95 days mind you) uses attributes to do alot of stuff, making searching faster, also avoiding use of a registry(one of the most annoing things in windows to be honest) i really wish ms had just bought BeOS and built a new windows off its core, a buddy of mine is still running my old celeronA 366 system with BeOS on it, its still fast even by todays standreds, it hasnt been shutdown or restarted in years(hes got everything on ups's) and its still used for office work and some old skool gaming every time i go over it makes me nastalgic for beos and what it so easly could have been

If you feel this way? Look up this:

SINGULARITY

From Microsoft... what you are looking for, partially @ least, IS COMING... one day @ least.

and linux nuts are just as bad as old skool mac nuts, they will insist that FUD is FACT all day and night and if you proove them wrong, they will just yell at you or keep argueing that your wrong.

I've been kicked outta forums for taking them on, leaving them swearing @ me (this is when I know I have someone on the ropes in debate, lol, usually... I generally won't toss it back, until they serve it up to me first... Then, it's "DESTROY WITH FACTS" time!)...

SETI & SLASHDOT being two examples, even Windows IT Pro forums (mods deleted my posts until I exposed them @ slashdot for it, they put most of them back).

Oh, I could blow right back in & @ SETI the mods even deleted my posts with facts... so, I ran them around putting them RIGHT back, banned or not, & my account shut or not, lol... don't ask how, lol, 'ancient chinese secret'...

All because of this LINUX zealot Michael Buckingham there... lol, who did a "APK MUST DIE" type of thing like Arstechnica's Jay Little did, & Arstechnica's Jeremy Reimer did, impersonating me on his forums, writing a song about me, doing an edited photo of me (both not good ones) & also more.

The worst was them following me to other forums, EVEN THIS ONE, & folks saw it... & other sites, trying it yet again, only to have to hide in shame.

On the 2 from arstechnica though, lol?

It got their websites shutdown (they just moved them though) by their ISP/BSP hosting providers & more if I wanted... lol! BUT, that's good enough for me. They tried it on me, & LOL, it literally BACKFIRED on them instead.

They brought it, I finished it. Nuff said.

See... I don't like doing it, but my job's in this field...

STILL: I won't lose PUBLICLY to the likes of those kind of folks & when you get them in such a state? You have won... facts win.

example the other night i had a FOOL try and tell me that linux is better for gaming then windows in every way, that any windows game you could find would run on linux no problem, then when i mentioned the fact that most people arent programers and dont want to spend 4hrs making 1 game work on linux let along spend that 4hrs making 1 game work and finding out that they broke 5 other games to make that one work......

He's wrong... "Wintendo" lol, is great gaming wise, which is why (business reasons again) you see SO much driver support & yes, developed games for it, vs. Linux or others.

Money is there to be MADE in it... but, sometimes, Linux can be hellishly good gaming too, IDSoftware stuff runs excellently on it I have heard.

sure native linux games do tend to run better then the windows version on the same hardware, but most games are pure native windows, and as such SUCK under linux.

Linux has 1 thing going for it, 2 actually: Afaik, it doesn't have the legacy code BULK in it for 16-bit stuff, it was never 16 bit period, from its own former versions (it has been built off a great tree this way by Linus T. & crew) & it even does WINE & other emulations too...

BUT, as far as peripheral driver support for even gaming peripherals alone? It's always going to lag, & in other areas too... this is until commercial oem's see a GOOD "ROI" (return on investment) on developing for Linux!

Coder time? NOT CHEAP man... I understand business' viewpoint, though I tend to often loathe it?? It's my paycheck.

he also insisted that dx10 games would run under linux as soon as they hit stores and in full dx10 quility to boot..........he got booted from the irc room after about 20 min of ranting at 7 or so of us who where telling him he was full of crap, he angered an op who was his buddy and got a kickban for a week (apk i told you that rooms good )

I will stop in sometime, just busy, & you know my thoughts on IRC... period.

funny part is about 1/3 of more of the ppl in that room use linux as eather their main os or only os and the rest en large have at least some exp with it, one was even a linux programer.....all of them that game have windows on its own box or in dual boot....think that says something

Right... the guy you speak of that caused the trouble, lol, was just 'heckling' you guys, & probably did not have 1/2 the know-how/saavy on all of this you folks had... take it as that.

On IRC? You're NOT as visible as you are out here... "losing/winning" technical debates are not as likely to be seen... & yes, there IS winning & losing in this life, & I don't care if anybody says "fighting online is retarded" etc.

For most folks? Probably is... they are not making their living in it... their rep's NOT on-the-line (literally & figureatively, lol), nothing to lose.

Guys making their lives in it, like I have been? I literally can't afford to take a beating in debates on it... & I won't walk away & hide either, protecting myself that way.

Conversely, I will try to avoid fights, but NOT if they're brought my way, first & in bogus ways (per arstechnica crap above - several of them followed me over 5 yrs. now to sites, including this one, & I have to 'take them out' everytime, myself, & asked folks here & on @ LEAST 5 other forums, stay out of it...)

Why? LOL, I want the 'glory' for myself is why, lol, & not to involve others. You do it yourself, just like in real life & in the street? Well... the idiots like that steer clear of you for good usually... unless they're gluttons for punishment that is.

BUT, when I am wrong, OUTRIGHT WRONG, on ALL counts/situations? I admit it... per my list on the last page... being proud's 1 thing, but being a stubborn douchebag is another.

ENOUGH OUTTA ME ALREADY ABOUT THAT: Rants is all that is.

APK

P.S.=> Outta this one guys, but good to see no more arguing... this forums is TOO damn good for that imo, but it does happen, because we like this stuff! apk

 

[Wile E]

AHHH how can anyone's spelling be sooo freakin bad. I would absolutely love to learn about this topic and take sides, but I just don't have the patients to get through all the spelling errors. Not to mention the condescending tone.

Well, if you're gonna nit-pick someones spelling, you should probably use the words with proper definitions.

IE: patients = people at a Hospital
patience = not getting upset easily

 

[Alec§taar]

Well, if you're gonna nit-pick someones spelling, you should probably use the words with proper definitions.

IE: patients = people at a Hospital
patience = not getting upset easily

WILE E, FTW! "And, the crowd goes WILD: "rrrraaaaaaaaa"" lol, etc.



(LOL!)

APK

P.S.=> "Cast not stones in glass houses, & he with no sin? CAST THAT FIRST STONE!"

Just being a wise-guy...

And, nothing personal Mediocre, but he does have a point... mistakes: WE ALL MAKE 'EM! This is just proof of it...

Anyhow... outta here! apk

 

[AshenSugar]

apk r2 went gold LONG ago, and its just 2003 sp1 with virtual server and some extra apps on a 2nd cd, nothing to fancy, infact if u tweak 2003 a little u can fit both cds on 1 disk

and i have 26 accounts banned on 1 forums(they had pathetic secutiry and i told them about it, they banned me for pointing it out waas how it started) it got stupid i made all the accounts using proxys in one night, then spent the next month posting random shit, defaiming mods/admins who talked out their asses, when they figuared out who i was they
banned me and i loged into the next account, it was fun, and drove them so nuts they ended up changing forums programs

as i said, if they supported lagacy apps with virtual server or vmware server(better choice) then theres no need for the core os to support it, infact i know of 2 companys(i worked for both under the counter) that are using vmware server to run old dos/telnet based database apps, stuff that you cant get a new version of, guess what, the companys found that using vmware and dos/freedos worked 100x better then using the same apps in windows dispite them being able to run in windows.

sames true for win16 apps, run them on an os that can run them native, one of this companys servers had 4 vm's running on it 1 dos, 1 nt4, 1 linux, 1 os/2 all running apps they had that eather requiered their native os OR ran ALOT better on their native app, also they found backing up VM's far easyer then imaging sepret servers(no shit,u just use just backup the vm file every XX hours and sall good insted of having to image a whole server

 

[AshenSugar]

WILE E, FTW! "And, the crowd goes WILD: "rrrraaaaaaaaa"" lol, etc.



(LOL!)

APK

P.S.=> "Cast not stones in glass houses, & he with no sin? CAST THAT FIRST STONE!"

Just being a wise-guy...

And, nothing personal Mediocre, but he does have a point... mistakes: WE ALL MAKE 'EM! This is just proof of it...

Anyhow... outta here! apk

i wasnt going to say anything, honestly i didnt want to argue with that guy, my mothers a chiropractor, and i know the proper spellying of both versions of that word, but i figuared i would give him a pass, because, hell, i know my spelling is bad, i want to see this guy spell good when drunk, because thats kinda how i see words when i type them at times, they look fine to me then when ppl read them they dont look right......

but thanks Wile E, im glad somebody else did point this out to him.

it seems its alwase those that bitch about others spelling/diction/grammer that endup making these kinds of mistakes, i use to call them on it but, well i have lightened up alot

btw apk, thanks for your defence of me and my horrid spelling, and for being a good guy

same to you Wile E, those without flaw cast the first stone in the glass ship gliding over the bottem less abyss

 

[Wile E]

Ashan, I was thinking about how you said MS should've waited to go gold on Vista. You cited that 2003 is way better than XP, because it fixed all of XP's bugs. But how would MS have known about the bugs in XP, if it were not released to the public? I think the same holds true for Vista. I think that MS, even as large as they are, doesn't have the resources to test every possible combination, thus they have to have the public do via bug reports.

And about Nero 7, it just didn't mix well with our systems. I can't speak for the others, as it could've been user error, but I had a much higher failed burn rate with DVD-R and DL DVD with Nero compared to Roxio, approaching almost 2to1. I will say that the interface of Roxio is more buggy, however. (Using version 9, btw) I hear that Nero has made vast improvements since the 7.5 update tho. I may give it another shot. Quick ques, does Nero have disk spanning, I don't remember?

 

[Alec§taar]

ARGH!!! DRAGGING ME BACK IN HERE AGAIN ARE YOU!!! lol...

apk r2 went gold LONG ago, and its just 2003 sp1 with virtual server and some extra apps on a 2nd cd, nothing to fancy, infact if u tweak 2003 a little u can fit both cds on 1 disk

Cool, like I stated above? I was not sure, I asked... right thing to do. Now, I got STRONGER for it. The main idea imo!

and i have 26 accounts banned on 1 forums(they had pathetic secutiry and i told them about it, they banned me for pointing it out waas how it started)

Aha... so, you 'have lived' as I call it, lol... can't live like a man imo, & not make a few of them imo @ least! Enemies...

& to be honest? In many ways??

THERE IS NO PRIVACY (Scott McNealy of Sun Microsystems quote) & NO IMPENETRABLE SECURITY, not online on the public net... not really, @ least not yet.

it got stupid i made all the accounts using proxys in one night, then spent the next month posting random shit, defaiming mods/admins who talked out their asses, when they figuared out who i was they banned me and i loged into the next account, it was fun, and drove them so nuts they ended up changing forums programs

Sometimes, it's worth it... others not. I just do folks in w/ facts MOST times... sometimes, though, it gets into the mud, but I don't sling that first... I try to keep things ON TOPIC, about this field, & facts thereof, etc. et al.



ANYWAYS!!! WHERE'S THAT MAIL MAN!!!

LOL!

APK

 

[Alec§taar]

btw apk, thanks for your defence of me and my horrid spelling, and for being a good guy

Oh, no problem, likewise... & nothing against Mediocre either!



* Just trying to get everyone, off everyone's back here, & to inform as best I know of on various facts (hey, I can be wrong too).

APK

 

[AshenSugar]

cant remmber, i never span disks personaly, it probbly does, its got to many fetures to count, i just use the core api not all the extencive extras its got
weird, i neer had it fail me on dvd burns on good media, bad crappy media, well yeah, but thats to be expected, i have some media that was 12bucks for 50 disks, some of it has airbubbles inthe central spindle and such, if u look at the numbers on the media you can tell what disks will be bad and what ones will work fine out of those packs tho so sall good.....well not all but u get what i mean


and ms already knew about xp's huge flaws, but needed to get something out to replace ME FAST, 2003 was already being torn down from xp beta code for them to start over and fix what was screwed up.

see xp was the result of 2 projects ms combine, neptune and odicy(sp) one was going to be the pro side of the coin, made for buisness and power users, the other was going to be for home users to replace ME and the other 9x core os's, but bill got some great advice to combine the 2 projects and thus whislter was born, premature and full of birth defects......

ms KNEW it wasnt up to par, hence the rebuild to get 2003, the major security flaws that left windows open to things like blaster well they excisted in nt4 and 2k, ms had been warrned about them manytimes, till oneday an asshole programer desided to fuck with ms and exploit it using blaster, we saw how that worked out.

most of the problems with vista ms knows about already, they put the os out anyway, just as they did with xp, the last "gold" quility os ms put out was 2k, and it had its growing pains, but at least it wasnt as flawed as xp, it wasnt rushed out to meet a rushed deadline, no key fetures where removed to allow more DRM thus taking away from time that could have been spend refigning the os as a whole.......

long story short, ms knows what they are doing, they are selling the world beta software and using paying costmers as beta testers....they are the only company i know of that gets their beta testers to pay them for the privlege of being beta testers......

 

[Wile E]

Ahhh, I see Ashan. Known flaws versus undiscovered flaws. Makes a little more sense to me now.

My Nero finding were with the same spools of media. Honestly, judging by reviews, it seems it just may be something about my particular setup. Either way, Roxio just works better for me. I think I'm gonna give Nero 7.5 a try, however.

 

[AshenSugar]

apk i sent it 3 times now, you should check our spam folder, msn/hotmail is bad about putting emails form some servers into the wrong places, and i just checked it says the emails sent successfully so it has to be something on your end......u didnt block me did you

 

[Alec§taar]

apk i sent it 3 times now, you should check our spam folder, msn/hotmail is bad about putting emails form some servers into the wrong places, and i just checked it says the emails sent successfully so it has to be something on your end......u didnt block me did you

Got ya, but weird... I got mails from you before!

... and, want to know one for your 'books' about flaws in the OS? Here is a DANGEROUS one... unstoppeable, if a virus used it, check it:

NTFS - has an MFT$, right (master file table)...

WELL, zero-byte length files eat NO space you'd think...right?

Ah... but, they DO...

Say, you have a memory resident virus/malware, etc. that creates enough of them via a virus/malware in RAM doing so, looping constantly doing this & under a deep subfolder to hide it, & then, guess what happens?

(ANSWER - YOU BLOAT THE MFT$ & FLOOD OUT YOUR DISK (outta space, you die, generally))



* Think about it...

YES, the MFT$ has a 'reservation zone' but, it can fragment & GROW!

... & also, from what I understand about it? It does NOT go thru what many DB's can (it's a flatfile DB type system like an file table really, just not relational, YET, that's what was taken outta VISTA, & I have seen it work WELL on Os/400 on IBM bigiron)... a reorg!

A reorg (midrange/mainframe/db term) is SORT of a defrag for tables, removing blank entries (like how Outlook Express can compact its tables, because all emails usually are DB Mail programs really), to compact out space!

AND, because, & GET THIS - every file you EVER HAD on NTFS? Is still listed in it afaik... maybe 'marked for deletion' but not deleted! NOT TRULY BLANK, & neither are most deletes in database systems for sake of speed...

It's just like you may have heard how DELETES work, raising the first character of the filename in the table to some HIGHER ASCII one. The filesystems drivers don't recognize those (used also in steganography - hiding files & folders too, as proof of this).

ANOTHER security hole imo... & dangerous depending on what you keep on your system or EVER did.

* AND, largely, THIS IS WHY NTFS UNDELETERS CAN WORK!

APK

P.S.=> Maybe I should NOT have put that one out, I've known about it for about 10 yrs... & all we need is some fool to spot this & use it... ugh! apk

 

[AshenSugar]

lol, yeah thats like the old dos "mirror" command trick that if looped could fill a harddrive, and i use to have an app, cant remmber its name, but it would insure a full delete of any files you told it to delete, including the MTF entries, it could also scan for MTF entries that where obsolete and delete them, god what was it called.....gonna drive me crazy.......

was a treat secutiry app tho, if u ran it full out not even an emetron microscope could be used to recover data off the drive.

 

[Alec§taar]

lol, yeah thats like the old dos "mirror" command trick that if looped could fill a harddrive, and i use to have an app, cant remmber its name, but it would insure a full delete of any files you told it to delete, including the MTF entries, it could also scan for MTF entries that where obsolete and delete them, god what was it called.....gonna drive me crazy.......

was a treat secutiry app tho, if u ran it full out not even an emetron microscope could be used to recover data off the drive.

I want to know the name of this app... probably sysinternals stuff!

Specifically, IF that can remove MFT$ entries, & SECURELY, not just first character deletes!

(Yes, there is a way to do it & here is how)

I do it in a secure shredder I wrote in fact, now that I think about it, lol!

& the way you do it programmatically, is rename EVERY character in the fileNAME with random chars 3x iirc, up to the last character (like you secure delete on disk on files, basically, but just for the filename in any file table).

* Still, iirc, this ONLY "obscures it in MFT$", imo, but not REALLY removing it at a record level (think DB tables as to record datastructures, you will understand).

APK

P.S.=> Still, the part about NTFS bloat? STILL VERY REAL w/ zero byte length sized files... "If do right, No can defense, Danielsan", afaik... not really! apk