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Best VPN service for a gamer/ someone who uses streaming services ?

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I have seen IGN doing a lot of VPN service reviews and they gave Private Internet Access a 9/10 which is pretty impressive. Only issue is that Netflix and Hulu have blocked it and I use both. I have heard pretty good things about Nord VPN, and even though it is pretty expensive to start up (need to pay $150 to get VPN software installed on my router), it sounds like a good option.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
Anyone have any input?
 
What do you need a VPN for gaming for?
 
^^^This.
VPN is BAD for gaming OR streaming, because it introduces additional latency and eats up a portion of your available bandwidth. Unless you want to try to bypass some restrictions. But even then VPN doesn't always work.
 
Why do you need to use a VPN for gaming and streaming? It's not like you need that kind of communication to be extra secure. The cost doesn't seem to be worth it. Now, if you were connecting to a server or doing something you shouldn't be doing, then sure but, for the case you described (streaming + gaming,) there is no reason to use a VPN and will only serve to provide a slower experience.
 
I am using a VPN for privacy that is it. Most of the VPN services out there block Hulu and Netflix, but NordVPN seems to allow it. Also with most modern VPN services, you usually will only sufferer a 5% performance loss (if that).
 
You cant make the assumption that their is a VPN better than another.

There is no such thing as the "best" VPN. It totally depends on what kind of security you need. The geographical location of the servers compared to you. and how much you want to spend and what the impact is on your connection.

Its the security industry equivalent to asking me what the best color is.
 
What's the best VPN to keep forum mods/admins from stalking a person?
 
Its generally better to be a user that doesn't get stalked mods or admins... Usually that means said user shouldn't be on that forum any longer.

Though there are some cases where mods and admins are in the wrong. I guess it really depends on the situation...but that question seems shady AF.

As far as how VPNs work, any will do until the user run out of IPs to hide behind because all were blacklisted. Or if said user behaves...any VPN will do if they're not in the shadow of the ban hammer.
 
I am using a VPN for privacy that is it.
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I am using a VPN for privacy that is it. Most of the VPN services out there block Hulu and Netflix, but NordVPN seems to allow it. Also with most modern VPN services, you usually will only sufferer a 5% performance loss (if that).
Once again, why do you need security with Netflix or Hulu? Using a VPN to talk to the internet doesn't protect your information (in fact, I would argue that it's worse,) and that it only makes you appear to be somewhere you're not. There is nothing inherently safe about using a VPN to communicate over the internet except to attempt to maintain anonymity which you already don't have with Netflix and Hulu because you have an account you're paying for. So, I'm not exactly sure what your beef is. VPN services block it because it eats up a ton of bandwidth and a lot of CPU to encrypt the VPN traffic (relatively speaking.)

Honestly, using an IP blacklist and having an aggressive firewall where dropping packets is the default rule for income traffic is far more effective than hiding behind a VPN.
I understand but, be nice. This is a learning opportunity.
 
What's the best VPN to keep forum mods/admins from stalking a person?

The only people who should be concerned about admins/ mods stocking them is those who live in Canada, as their ip's security is the easiest to circumvent . Otherwise you're fine
 
Because I care about network secu
Once again, why do you need security with Netflix or Hulu? Using a VPN to talk to the internet doesn't protect your information (in fact, I would argue that it's worse,) and that it only makes you appear to be somewhere you're not. There is nothing inherently safe about using a VPN to communicate over the internet except to attempt to maintain anonymity which you already don't have with Netflix and Hulu because you have an account you're paying for. So, I'm not exactly sure what your beef is. VPN services block it because it eats up a ton of bandwidth and a lot of CPU to encrypt the VPN traffic (relatively speaking.)

Honestly, using an IP blacklist and having an aggressive firewall where dropping packets is the default rule for income traffic is far more effective than hiding behind a VPN.

I understand but, be nice. This is a learning opportunity.

VPN services give a huge added layer of security- services like NordVPN and ExpressVPN encrypt your data so people can data mine you and prohibit people or organizations from actively looking at your data. In fact, NordVPN has a two way encryption for data. This blocks data mining (which I am hugely opposed to). I don't think anyone, especially government has the right to snoop around your data. I use an encrypted email service and I have encrypted text messages on my phone. A VPN service is just another added layer of both security and privacy. With the way things are going in the world, VPN services are almost essential nowadays. Its not about doing shady stuff, its about blocking people from looking at your data. Also, sometimes you can lessen the lag in games if you pick a server that is close or near to the game's server. I know that I will probably experience 5% or less slower performance (my ping will go up), but I think it is worth it. Also, NordVPN (I keep throwing them out there because that is the service I am going to get) isn't blocked by NetFlix or Hulu. IGN has been recently reviewing VPN services because in the times we live it is almost as important as anti-virus software.

The reason I say a "VPN for gamers" is because I want to use a service that won't cripple my Internet speeds and thankfully there are plenty of services out there with high performance which are specifically designed for people that stream or game.
 
Because I care about network secu


...Also, sometimes you can lessen the lag in games if you pick a server that is close or near to the game's server...

The reason I say a "VPN for gamers" is because I want to use a service that won't cripple my Internet speeds and thankfully there are plenty of services out there with high performance which are specifically designed for people that stream or game.

Yeah, a server located physically close to YOU - not to the VPN servers. WTFast is utter cr@p. They put out false numbers. I have tested dozens of different VPNs and I know for a fact that VPN does NOT reduce lag. Believe what you want.

I understand your concern for privacy, but please have a look at that metallic-head pic posted by Octopuss. The rest of his body is open to every kind of rays. If you think you can't trust the Gaming company, a VPN will do you little good. And what makes you trust any VPN company in the first place? It's all about trust. Do feel free to use anything your heart wants. But if you actually care to learn about the security scene, you're gonna have to do a bit more of reading -NOT from IGN. If you can make it, then you'd probably be less inclined to use a cool VPN for gaming needs. Just my 2 cents.
 
VPN services give a huge added layer of security- services like NordVPN and ExpressVPN encrypt your data so people can data mine you and prohibit people or organizations from actively looking at your data.
That's what things like HTTPS and other standard encryption methods are for. Also, if there are organizations sitting between you and the server, going through a VPN won't matter because even if VPN traffic is encrypted, traffic going into and leaving the VPN from the internet is not.
In fact, NordVPN has a two way encryption for data.
Most reversible encryption goes both ways. :laugh:
I don't think anyone, especially government has the right to snoop around your data.
A VPN isn't going to stop the government from doing that, even more so if the server you're connecting to at the end of the line is still inside the country you're concerned about. Yes, VPNs encrypt traffic between the client and the VPN server but, once again, it does not encrypt traffic any better once it leaves the VPN service and you're still stuck with the same security holes you had in the first place. The only thing that changed is where it appears that traffic is going.
Its not about doing shady stuff, its about blocking people from looking at your data.
VPNs don't get you that if you're already talking to the internet. As I said, strict incoming firewall rules and an IP blacklist would be a lot more effective than hiding behind a VPN which is really just security through obscurity, it's not really any more secure.
Also, sometimes you can lessen the lag in games if you pick a server that is close or near to the game's server.
That makes zero sense. Even in the best network configuration, it will still be slower because you're encapsulating network traffic inside network traffic which has transmission overhead, encryption add additional bandwidth and latency overhead, then compressing it (since the overhead is now relatively large compared to the size of the actual packet,) takes more time. Adding a VPN will either be only marginally slower or it could be a lot slower but, it is not possible to be faster. That simply makes no sense.
I know that I will probably experience 5% or less slower performance (my ping will go up), but I think it is worth it.
I suspect it's probably worse than that as overhead from encrypted and uncompressed VPN connections tends to be closer to 10-20% with latency varying depending on computational hardware, the method of encryption, and the amount of load on that VPN server.
The reason I say a "VPN for gamers" is because I want to use a service that won't cripple my Internet speeds and thankfully there are plenty of services out there with high performance which are specifically designed for people that stream or game.
You still failed to answer my earlier question though, why do you need game and streaming traffic encrypted? The only information to steal is the game state data or the video being streamed, neither of which should be your concern.
And what makes you trust any VPN company in the first place? It's all about trust.
This is a very valid observation as well. What makes you trust random VPN services online? In my opinion, it's just another vector for attack that could prove to be worse if the VPN server itself is compromised. It's like setting yourself up for a man-in-the-middle attack. I would make the argument that if you're not using local resources in respect to the VPN (you're only using a VPN for internet pass-thru,) then you're already kind of losing most of the benefits of using a VPN for the sake of privacy and security.

tl;dr: I understand what you're trying to do but, I don't think you have a full understanding of what the benefits of using a VPN are, specifically when those benefits don't apply. It's also another vector for attack since you're trusting the VPN service to handle being between the server your talking to and your computer (which is step 1 when it comes to starting a man-in-the-middle attack.)
 
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Why do you need to use a VPN for gaming and streaming? It's not like you need that kind of communication to be extra secure. The cost doesn't seem to be worth it. Now, if you were connecting to a server or doing something you shouldn't be doing, then sure but, for the case you described (streaming + gaming,) there is no reason to use a VPN and will only serve to provide a slower experience.
Another big reason for a VPN is to get around region restrictions. For example, it's really annoying to click on a video link (usually YouTube) only to be told it's not available in my region. Another reason of course, is to get around website blocking, like they have in the UK now. There are plenty more reasons out there, of course.

I've been smart enough to go with an ISP that doesn't block websites and provides excellent service, but the region restriction is annoying when it happens occasionally. I don't have enough reason overall to buy a VPN service, or even look for a free one, so I just put up with it for now.
 
Another big reason for a VPN is to get around region restrictions. For example, it's really annoying to click on a video link (usually YouTube) only to be told it's not available in my region. Another reason of course, is to get around website blocking, like they have in the UK now. There are plenty more reasons out there, of course.

I've been smart enough to go with an ISP that doesn't block websites and provides excellent service, but the region restriction is annoying when it happens occasionally. I don't have enough reason overall to buy a VPN service, or even look for a free one, so I just put up with it for now.
Valid reason but, the OP made it very clear that this is wanted for privacy and security so, I was addressing that "want".
 
Valid reason but, the OP made it very clear that this is wanted for privacy and security so, I was addressing that "want".
Ya indeed, I was just talking generally about reasons for wanting to use VPN. :)

I heard that Opera now offers a free built-in VPN service, so I must get round to having a play with it.
 
I appreciate the people who gave valid input and who were trying to actually help me. Didn't appreciate the jerks that called me crazy for wanting to use a VPN service.

I think a lot of you need to brush up what a VPN actually is and who uses a VPN:

http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-y...and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs

I also think a lot of you need to understand the security benefits of having a VPN. Can people still get their hands on my data? Maybe, but it's pretty unlikely if using a valid VPN service like NordVPN, ExpressVPN or IP Vanish. 2048-bit SSL encryption (which Nord provides) is damn near impossible to crack. Really sit back and think about it- if the FBI was struggling trying to crack a 5 digit iPhone pin, how would they be able to crack 2048-bit encryption? Also, a lot of the top paid services offer certain guarantees. It all comes down to privacy and value my privacy end of story.
 
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I appreciate the people who gave valid input and who were trying to actually help me. Didn't appreciate the jackasses that called me crazy for wanting to use a VPN service.

I think a lot of you need to brush up what a VPN actually is and who uses a VPN:

http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-y...and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs

I also think a lot of you need to understand the security benefits of having a VPN. Can people still get their hands on my data? Maybe, but it's pretty unlikely if using a valid VPN service like NordVPN, ExpressVPN or IP Vanish. 2048-bit SSL encryption (which Nord provides) is damn near impossible to crack. Really sit back and think about it- if the FBI was struggling trying to crack a 5 digit iPhone pin, how would they be able to crack 2048-bit encryption? Also, a lot of the top paid services offer certain guarantees. It all comes down to privacy and value my privacy end of story.

I get your point. BUT

What the heck do you do that requires a VPN for your gaming and personal security?

If you still think you need it, trial the cheapest service then go from there. atleast you can compare against your own reliable data.

FYI most VPNs will not allow torrent traffic if you need that. they will ban you for that.
 
What the heck do you do that requires a VPN for your gaming and personal security?
He's paranoid with no glimpse of idea what is he talking about, that's all. You can't point it out though, because then you are a jerk.
But hey, maybe he does sell drugs and guns or at least was banned from several forums/games and actually does need a VPN.
 
He's paranoid with no glimpse of idea what is he talking about, that's all. You can't point it out though, because then you are a jerk.
But hey, maybe he does sell drugs and guns or at least was banned from several forums/games and actually does need a VPN.

So because I want privacy and an added layer of of security I must be doing something bad? Also... you know that you can toggle on/off a VPN service right? If my performance absolutely plummets while gaming than I'll simply turn it off.

You ask me why I wanted a VPN service and I gave you a very simple answer: privacy and security and all of a sudden I'm crazy and I must be selling drugs/ guns?. Get real dude. Also the service is less than $5 a month for up to 6 devices. Internet privacy is a serious issue in the United States especially with laws being passed that give companies the green light to mine your data. If privacy and security aren't valid reasons to get s VPN than I am at a loss for words.
 
I appreciate the people who gave valid input and who were trying to actually help me. Didn't appreciate the jerks that called me crazy for wanting to use a VPN service.

I think a lot of you need to brush up what a VPN actually is and who uses a VPN:

http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-y...and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs

I also think a lot of you need to understand the security benefits of having a VPN. Can people still get their hands on my data? Maybe, but it's pretty unlikely if using a valid VPN service like NordVPN, ExpressVPN or IP Vanish. 2048-bit SSL encryption (which Nord provides) is damn near impossible to crack. Really sit back and think about it- if the FBI was struggling trying to crack a 5 digit iPhone pin, how would they be able to crack 2048-bit encryption? Also, a lot of the top paid services offer certain guarantees. It all comes down to privacy and value my privacy end of story.

FBI has cracked many VPN's and Tor, to the point they let child sex traffickers go in order to keep their tools secure. A lot of these services use less than ideal encryption keys so when subpoena'd they can provide it. That is definitely something you want to watch out for with whatever provider you choose.

Your data is only encrypted between your PC and their servers, also something else to keep in mind. Beyond that, unless using other forms of transmission encryption standards, your data is wide open as if it were coming from your home with no VPN.

Not saying that a VPN is useless, I quite think the opposite, especially with higher levels of encryption. There will be some performance deficits the higher the levels of encryption go, but thanks to hardware acceleration in Intel, AMD, and other types of network hardware processing, that is becoming less harsh on hardware. But it has its effects...especially on systems where you're running the VPN client.

I prefer OpenVPN and DNSSEC VPN standards for secure tunnel deployment and management. I've deployed dozens of both for companies, end-users, for site-to-site, road-warrior, etc.

One thing to be careful about is ASSuming that the FBI doesn't have access to the encryption keys for those VPN tunnels. Many services use the same encryption key for all their clients...it's like a "get outta jail free" card if they are requested to turn it over. The other issue that may or may not concern you is logging, many VPN services may claim not to log, but most do. Again, this is CYA so they can offload lawsuits to the end-users rather than have to deal with getting shut down and going broke. Why should they pay for your illegal activities? They won't.

Depending on your activities, this may or may not matter.

Using VPN services for streaming and gaming, good luck with that...to lower levels of encryption and still have increased latency doesn't seem worth it. I guess if you're region locked and feel you really NEED to ID as someone from a different region, then that's your only choice for sure.

If you want to be truly private, you need to unplug from the Internet. Otherwise smartly using VPN and Tor are mitigation methods to increasing privacy to a certain extent, but not sure-fire bulletproof solutions by any means. The second you assume you're all good will be the second they nail your ass to the wall. Make sure you're regularly changing servers, make sure you're not doing heinously illegal content viewing, sharing, distributing, or any content theft that could push the DMCA and feds down the throats of your VPN service provider, and odds are you'll be safer than not.

It is worth educating on how VPN works, why it works and where it does and doesn't work. VPN service providers are FOTM's anymore...and more of them are dangerously transparent when it comes to investigations. Some are super dangerous when their encryption keys get "accidentally" released or hacked out of their databases.

That being said, I've used PIA for several years now with good results...though I don't use it daily nor rely on it all the time. Frankly if you're worried about privacy, there's so much more than VPN. Every membership, regular bill, registration, service, whether online or not, has been tracking you for decades... we lost the privacy battle. So what you're really keeping private versus what you think you're keeping private can be vastly different, and many don't even realize it. That's another discussion for a different day.

Really it comes down to choosing what you are and aren't willing to do on a PC, and while VPN and Tor can help to an extent with encryption, they aren't the end-all answer that many bill them to be. I am a proponent for VPN's, as I said I use them regularly on a professional and personal-level, design them, deploy, maintain, test and secure, etc. They have their uses. Don't think for a second any VPN service provider won't cover their ass to save yours, they'll totally sacrifice you when called on to do so. Accept that, and play by that one rule with these services.

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So because I want privacy and an added layer of of security I must be doing something bad? Also... you know that you can toggle on/off a VPN service right? If my performance absolutely plummets while gaming than I'll simply turn it off.

You ask me why I wanted a VPN service and I gave you a very simple answer: privacy and security and all of a sudden I'm crazy and I must be selling drugs/ guns?. Get real dude. Also the service is less than $5 a month for up to 6 devices. Internet privacy is a serious issue in the United States especially with laws being passed that give companies the green light to mine your data. If privacy and security aren't valid reasons to get s VPN than I am at a loss for words.


In regards to the US Internet information and lack of privacy for end-users. I was reading a story and (I apologize I can't say exactly where I read it), but it made mention of the fact that VPN's wouldn't help at least wouldn't provide any degree of privacy coverage/ protection since it would be the Internet service provider who is gathering the data, and they would be gathering it before it made it to a VPN. I'm completely ignorant in regards to VPN but that's the gist of what I read.

I mention this because I too am bothered by my Internet provider gathering my data and selling it. I don't like the thought of it and I certainly don't like the thought of someone profiting off of it. Maybe if they took $20 off my bill every month I wouldn't mind as much but it would still bother me.

I would like to find a way to stop them from gathering that information
 
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