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Never said they made huge profits but definitely made some. You think their claim that GPU and computing segment revenue went up by 60% was a lie ? And that all of that was Polaris and Ryzen ? You can believe what you want as well.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that was 90%+ Zen and Zen+. But it doesn't matter, we'll know when they reveal Navi.
 

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I was trying to figure out if it's worth the 1080 ti over the 1080 Classified:confused: been honest i swear i was already thinking to buy 2 x 2080ti but i said myself wait a minute there's a Baby on the way.
 
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@phill

I was trying to figure out if it's worth the 1080 ti over the 1080 Classified:confused: been honest i swear i was already thinking to buy 2 x 2080ti but i said myself wait a minute there's a Baby on the way.

Speaking from experience I can tell you that a baby is going to cost you far more than expected ;) On the other hand, now may be the last chance you get to spend big on hardware without being called irresponsible.

Something to think about this weekend I suppose :D I will say this: baby gives more eye candy than 2x 1080ti. And from 1080 to 1080ti... its not going to change the world.
 

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If anyone contemplates splurging on Turing, I would think waiting a bit for prices to settle down would be the smart thing to do. I mean, with the mining craze over, there's very little chance of prices going up. And if these collect enough dust on shelves, prices will have to "adjust".
 

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I was trying to figure out if it's worth the 1080 ti over the 1080 Classified:confused: been honest i swear i was already thinking to buy 2 x 2080ti but i said myself wait a minute there's a Baby on the way.

@Knoxx29

I think that largely depends on a a few things like personal preference, what res and what you ideally want from the card, also what games your playing as well.. I'm unsure if I'd personally upgrade from a 1080 to a 1080 Ti, but from a 1070 to a 1080 Ti, there's a bit more of a jump. That said, depending on the games played, the detail etc. the Ti might give you a bit more extra grunt in reserve which would ultimately help you out or make the difference. Have a look at this.... :)

What about considering another 1080 Classified? Would that be an option? :)

I've a baby on the way as well (my girl friend is 5 months, due in February, but she said I could buy the cards!!) so I thought if the girl friend has given me the ok, then I'm going to go for it!! :roll: laugh:

If there's any particular games you'd like me to test, if I have them in my Steam library, I'll happily do some testing for you, sadly at 1080P only but... If that helps you..... :)
 
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Every review I have read is giving Nvidia negative remarks for the price and I have to admit that their price points are absolutely absurd. I am not saying that Navi is going to outperform the new RTX cards, but I gaurentee that the high end Navi will outperform a GTX 1080ti for cheaper.
 
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RTX will easily hit 4K/60 by the time your baby is old enough to start playing with you ...
 
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Ordered the 1070ti will test out this week. Prices are good at the moment
 

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As per my other post, the experience of the weekend and having one card and then the two cards installed has left me with a somewhat disappointed experience... Which is a shame as I really did expect to have a better time with SLI than not.. Still I just wish with all these big PC builds and mods and such that we see with multiple cards was actually of some use rather than a show case build.. Ahhhh,... I wonder if the same is for AMD and their cards...

I'll have a check with some newer drivers, I think that might help me, but I'm really not counting on it :(
 

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Are you gaming at 1080P and 1080Ti in SLI. Mindboggling and you are missing the RTX stuff in metro exodus and Tomb raider. better upstep them to 2080 SLI non ti before is too late. And in non-SLI titles yeah, no benefits. same applies to 1080P, resolution is too low.
 
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If anyone contemplates splurging on Turing, I would think waiting a bit for prices to settle down would be the smart thing to do. I mean, with the mining craze over, there's very little chance of prices going up. And if these collect enough dust on shelves, prices will have to "adjust".
That's based on an assumption that these cards won't sell at current prices. A poor one, if you believe that RTX preorder is a huge success. That's what people say.

I already mentioned this once. One of the shops in Poland tells you how many pieces of each item they sold to date. It's fairly reliable - I can see my +1 happening.

Based on that I can tell you that they sold 6 (SIX!) Asus Vega 64 Strix. The card has been unavailable for a long time, BTW.
The same store got:
39 orders for MSI 2080 DUKE - price: $970,
33 orders for MSI 2080Ti Gaming X - price: $1600,
33 orders for MSI 2080 Gaming X - price: $1100
and over 50 orders for other RTX cards.

I keep saying this. Don't underestimate the desire to have the best visual experience available. People that might not care about fps (above fine 60fps) will gladly pay more to get a glimpse at RTRT before everyone else.
 
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Are you gaming at 1080P and 1080Ti in SLI. Mindboggling and you are missing the RTX stuff in metro exodus and Tomb raider. better upstep them to 2080 SLI non ti before is too late. And in non-SLI titles yeah, no benefits. same applies to 1080P, resolution is too low.

The main reason why I went for the 1080 Ti's over the 2080's or even the 2080 Ti's was the difference in performance and in some cases, power consumption...
At the moment I currently game on 3 1080P panels (5760 x 1080) and the 1070 I have was struggling a little with some games, so I thought umm, faster cards needed which lead me to the 1080 Ti's..
The games you mention, I don't own, so I'm not really missing out on anything at all apart from an even bigger hole in my wallet... If I was going to get the newer cards, I'd consider the 2080 Ti as it would be the fastest about and would hopefully save me money in the sense of not having to upgrade from the 1070 card like I have done this time...

The benefits of the Ti's are simply for my girl friend and my daughter when I give these cards to them, they will still be more than over kill even with the triple screens each of them will have (I'm waiting for 4k 120Hz panels before I buy new monitors) but also with testing the WCG work that I do, does help having the slightly more powerful cards although not quite as much as I'd have liked or hoped.

If you'd like I can do a comparison of my results at the resolution that I currently have, I've done a few tests and such.. Some of the results aren't really what I'd call mind blowing, but they are 1080 Ti's, they aren't slow... :)
 
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I keep saying this. Don't underestimate the desire to have the best visual experience available. People that might not care about fps (above fine 60fps) will gladly pay more to get a glimpse at RTRT before everyone else.

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tbh 46 fps is absolutely great for something that looks like this

while I do care about framerate a lot,when I played quantum break for the first time and got around 40 I never really thought about the framerate,the game looked amazing. G-sync helps a lot,there's no tear or lag even at 45 fps.
 
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tbh 46 fps is absolutely great for something that looks like this

while I do care about framerate a lot,when I played quantum break for the first time and got around 40 I never really thought about the framerate,the game looked amazing. G-sync helps a lot,there's no tear or lag even at 45 fps.

Honestly if an ecosystem starts to exist where eye candy and great performance can exist side by side (Not necessarily together in the same setting/quality level), I can only applaud that.

The reality is though that the focus on eye candy, which is easy to score with in press and on videos, generally comes at the cost of optimization. There aren't magically more devs to do the work. So what you get with upcoming games is that dev time is 'lost' on RTRT features and that dev time is directly lost on polishing the rest of the game. If you look at how rushed this all seems to be, I hope Nvidia also adds some manpower to those bags of money they fly in.

Inb4 the first 'leak' of DLC content that was postponed for a later release (or planned to be in the vanilla release) due to the inclusion of RTX features ;)
 
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I am going to argue that if you don't mind...

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/256234-custom-vega-boards-reportedly-delayed-technical-issues
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vega-package-problem,35281.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/236499/...s-to-persist-at-least-until-october-digitimes
https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=120097

Now, with DRAM and NAND we have flooding, viruses and workers stealing technology and whatnot. AMD has 'technical problems', 'mining', no publicly available numbers about actual sales per market segment/product line, and somehow you think this is all true, when its a fact that Vega is a large GPU with a costly production process and using memory that was and is still in high demand, but needed to sell at a price point far below what was intended. Now tell me what's likely: that they sell those Vega's at reduced price points or at inflated ones with a nice looking shroud to make up for it?

You can believe what you want to believe... 'for the gamers!' :roll:
Yeah so that packaging issue was on release , a year ago, and it was out the way within two months but as you say.
You can believe what you want to believe.
And it's not fair to include Amd within memory constraints issues ,they didn't cause viruses floods or stealing ie irrelevant crap.

As for Rtx increasing IQ, it takes as much as it gives imho , screen manufacturers quite rightly have resolution as an image important factor, Nvidia say it's less so, it's shader model 5 again , so three years from now it Might matter , not so much now.
 

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Yeah so that packaging issue was on release , a year ago, and it was out the way within two months but as you say.
You can believe what you want to believe.
And it's not fair to include Amd within memory constraints issues ,they didn't cause viruses floods or stealing ie irrelevant crap.

Not saying they are to blame for anything, its the reality of things. RX Vega is not the sales cannon anyone thought it would become, just like Fury X didn't sell as hotcakes ever, and the reasons are a combination of things, and one you simply cannot ignore is the fact its a large GPU with a high risk component and expensive process to make. I'm not saying they should have fixed things faster, I'm saying those fabrication hiccups are indicators of cost and impact margins. HBM was a problem with Fury X and it was a problem with Vega. Its simply undeniable.

When you can then drop off your (scarce!) GPUs on the market, what do you do? Sell them as RX Vega at barely a margin or even a loss, or sell them as MI25's at superb margins?

I mean how is this not super obvious
 
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Not saying they are to blame for anything, its the reality of things. RX Vega is not the sales cannon anyone thought it would become, just like Fury X didn't sell as hotcakes ever, and the reasons are a combination of things, and one you simply cannot ignore is the fact its a large GPU with a high risk component and expensive process to make.

When you can then drop off your (scarce!) GPUs on the market, what do you do? Sell them as RX Vega at barely a margin or even a loss, or sell them as MI25's at superb margins?

I mean how is this not super obvious
Yes it is but not too big, Nvidias tend to be bigger and no memory is cheap, you don't have any idea of the price Amd negotiated with their partner for hbm.
And at this point Amd are acting as a historically classic gpu maker, one design ,many segments.
Nvidia have upped their game , fair enough but that's not Amds fault, just their issue and I expect them to deal with it.
Do you expect people to come on forums boasting about getting a Vega with the likes of you on here , i and many other vega owner gets lambasted so you're perception is based on the majority of the most vocalist , and could be wrong.

That's part of why i am vocal because otherwise perhaps people would only get told to buy Nvidia and intel ,the sheeple would and pretty soon we would all be in the shit, you think Rtx is expensive, imagine only Nvidia existed , the cheapest would be a grand.
 
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lol,persecution complex. nobody is lamblasting you or any vega owner, if they are they're just trolls,and if people are pointing out that 1080 is a better buy,well, they're right but they're not personal in most cases.

can you imagine what an idiot I'll be made to feel (was that part even remotely English?) when I get my hands on 2080 to see rtx in action, your vega purchase will be nothing next to it :laugh:

seeing people fume will make it an even better purchase :D
 
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Yes it is but not too big, Nvidias tend to be bigger and no memory is cheap, you don't have any idea of the price Amd negotiated with their partner for hbm.
And at this point Amd are acting as a historically classic gpu maker, one design ,many segments.
Nvidia have upped their game , fair enough but that's not Amds fault, just their issue and I expect them to deal with it.
Do you expect people to come on forums boasting about getting a Vega with the likes of you on here , i and many other vega owner gets lambasted so you're perception is based on the majority of the most vocalist , and could be wrong.

That's part of why i am vocal because otherwise perhaps people would only get told to buy Nvidia and intel ,the sheeple would and pretty soon we would all be in the shit, you think Rtx is expensive, imagine only Nvidia existed , the cheapest would be a grand.

See you keep saying something is AMD's fault which I never - ever - said. These are conscious business choice they make - and they are obvious ones. Vega was never designed as a gaming card, I'm saying that's why they didn't prefer selling them as such, and somehow that ticks you off? Its a reality and it would be wise to come to terms with it and consider the hidden message: AMD didn't even want to compete with gaming cards that cost a grand, and they can't. Nvidia sells them regardless. To think you can influence that by 'being vocal' is an illusion.
 
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Vega was never designed as a gaming card(...) AMD didn't even want to compete with gaming cards that cost a grand, and they can't. Nvidia sells them regardless. To think you can influence that by 'being vocal' is an illusion.
that pretty much sums up the gist of Vega launch in one line.
 
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See you keep saying something is AMD's fault which I never - ever - said. These are conscious business choice they make - and they are obvious ones. Vega was never designed as a gaming card, I'm saying that's why they didn't prefer selling them as such, and somehow that ticks you off? Its a reality and it would be wise to come to terms with it and consider the hidden message: AMD didn't even want to compete with gaming cards that cost a grand, and they can't. Nvidia sells them regardless. To think you can influence that by 'being vocal' is an illusion.
They're not conscious business choices you mentioned, floods memory issues, they're just issues, issues you brought up alongside Amd ,like they're implicated.
Vega was designed to fill many roles not just gaming , and your confusion is not ticking me off just amusing me.
As for successful or not i don't think vega was a massive success either, just that its not so bad either.
And if my Vocal nature doesn't help so be it ,at least you're not spouting shit uncontested
 
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Jack of all trades,master of none. Good for the company,but if a consumer has a very particular focus they'll likely go nvidia.
 
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