I need a complete new system, what CPU should I get first.

[ratirt]

Compatibility in future upgrades to the next gen CPUs. I doubt X470 will play nice with Zen3 (like I said earlier).

It has never been proven that the X570 will be compatible with gen 3 Ryzen as of now. So what you are suggesting to the OP Is wait for 3rd Gen Ryzen to show up? And when it does wait some more?
The only rational option here for casual gaming is 3000 series ryzen 6c/8c with X470 mobo. What you are saying is buy X570 because Ryzen 3rd gen is behind the corner? There will be X670 boards why not wait for those as well when 3rd gen Ryzen arrives? I don't think OP is going to upgrade when Ryzen 3rd gen is released next year. All the OP want's is to play Cyberpunk 1080p 144Hz screen. He wont need 3rd gen ryzen for that.

 

[Hyderz]

+1 on ryzen 3600

 

[EarthDog]

It has never been proven that the X570 will be compatible with gen 3 Ryzen as of now. So what you are suggesting to the OP Is wait for 3rd Gen Ryzen to show up? And when it does wait some more?
The only rational option here for casual gaming is 3000 series ryzen 6c/8c with X470 mobo. What you are saying is buy X570 because Ryzen 3rd gen is behind the corner? There will be X670 boards why not wait for those as well when 3rd gen Ryzen shows up? I don't think OP is going to upgrade because Ryzen 3rd gen is going to be released next year all he want's is to play Cyberpunk 1080p 144Hz screen. He wont need 3rd gen ryzen for that.

I'm not suggesting anything like that... just looking at the big picture. Some people are screaming UPGRADE PATH UPGRADE PATH, but, we don't really know. If AMD continues their trend, I would guess X570 will work with Zen2+/Zen3 (or w/e they will call it), yes. It isn't a leap of faith to think that.

All I am suggesting is since he seems to keep the PC for a while, to get the best he wants to/can afford. This, to me, means building on the X570 platform and Ryzen 3 series CPU. This way he starts off on the curve and if he wants to upgrade using AMD in 3-5 years, he can do so with either Zen2 CPU or Zen2+/Zen3 (likely). But as I said earlier... who knows what the CPU landscape will look like then. I don't like to 'lock' myself in to any platform, personally as today (finally!) we have two good options to choose from. Price, performance, and value will all change in the coming years... which is why I don't really buy the benefit of an upgrade path for many users.

Why limit yourself because you want to play one specific game now (myopic thinking there, no)? What if he wants to play other games in the next 3-5 years?

... though, maybe I am mixing up another thread too... who knows. It's coffee time.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Not exactly sure how the APUs snuck into your builds, those 3000 series APUs are built on zen+ not zen 2... My advice would be either wait for intel 10th gen or get AM4+ryzen 3600. If you want to start out with something cheaper any of the 2000 or 1000 series chips will be fine, but I wouldn't bother going down to the quad cores. Were it not for the state of intel's security patches I would have recommended Z390+8700k if you could find a good deal, but I can't in good faith recommend that to anyone.

 

[freeagent]

Why would you need better VRMs for 3700x when this one is 8c16t just like 2700x? you may need better VRMs if you go 3900x or 3950x but that is it. OP doesn't want to go 3900x but instead 3200g so why the hell he should buy x570 board for so much? 3700x can run on a X470 board no problem. Why do you guys keep misinterpret or confuse other members?

Watch these videos below and tell me what is the reason for the OP to go with x570 for a person who plays few games not looking for top of the top products to brag about few more FPS?

Sorry, still learning. Last I dealt with and was over 10 years ago, crash course. At work atm no time for vids will have to wait

 

[andiey]

Honestly, I'd go 3600 Ryzen with X470 board. Why 570 ? You wont use the 4.0 PCIe anyway. The difference in performance between 470 and 570 boards is none existent.
Not sure why people suggest 570 board for Ryzen 3000 as a must with arguments, because you ditch feature. (If you are not going to use the features why even bother) The price difference in the 470 and 570 board department is noticeable and it would make a difference when purchasing GPU.

If my knowledge is correct, the up coming RX 5500 is PCIe 4.0. X570 is damn expensive, but if one is willing to get the RX 5500 given its price, the price difference between X470 and X570 becomes less of a concern.

Well, you more or less have the idea. Though you may be digging into the minutia a bit.

The amount of cores and threads for gaming doesn't matter much past 6c/6t. 8c/16t CPUs don't show much if any at all benefit to games. With AMD inside the PS5, you are right to think games will be ported over for sure. However, UTILIZING (not using) all the cores and threads will still take a while. I've said it before here and I will say it again. Hex cores have been out from AMD for 8 years or so, Intel just slightly less... and in that time, just now is a 6c/12t a sweetspot. It will take years again (3-5) for 8c/16t to be notably behind the curve. By that time, guess what, it's CPU upgrade time anyway.

I surely wouldn't start with an APU on the AMD side, and no way would I go B365 with an intent to upgrade to presumably a chip that can overclock (B365 cannot overclock).

But dude, we are deep in the minutia now, honest. An AMD platform based on X570 and Zen2 with at least a 6c/12t CPU Ryzen 3 will be a great games for 3-5 years. Intel the same, but slightly higher FPS at 1080p. X570 gives you an upgrade path... which is great if you are sure you are going to take it. Who knows what the CPU landscape will look like in 3-5 years performance wise.

Because you lose it for the entire life of the CPU... the extra lanes can help, especially with multiple NVMe which is the way storage is going. I'd also make a wager that X470 and down won't take Zen2+ or Zen3 / be upgradeable which then makes that 'advantage' over the intel platform go away.

Excellent notion! I have to say you nearly read my mind!

Thanks for the heads up on 6c/6t and the analysis of the Hex cores history. In fact, it is logical for Intel to remain "seemingly behind" AMD in expanding the number of threads. For a giant chip manufacturer, they have teams of specialists to design CPUs since the beginning of time. They must have a very good reason NOT to rush to higher threads and more cores architecture. AMD is just cramping up and as I said in my previous thread, AMD always gives people an impression that they like giving out unfinished products. Really, patching and frequent updates isn't the kind of thing I am after; perhaps some people think otherwise and enjoy that experience but definitely not my cup of tea.

If ever I go for AMD, X570 is almost a must. Unlike Intel, the Ryzen 3000 line of CPUs is designed for forward and backward comparability. Therefore, instead of a Tomahawk which provides less features, a more feature rich mobo is all you need to run the 3000 series of CPUs with some really fast peripheral components. X570 provides sufficient resources for NVMe that's the first thing. Next would be the PCIe 4.0 Gfx cards as 5500 starts to roll. X470 is feasible but given the minute price difference, why not go for the latest to save all the hassle of a BIOS update.

You're just right on that life span thing; lasting for 3-5 years is all I am asking for for this new rig I am going to build. I don't think the Battlefield series of games will start using over 6 threads in their next release simply because they have to change too many coding. The Honor is the best developers I would say because the game is so optimised that it totally disregards what CPU is running it. As long as your graphics board is not some kind of junkie, it's not impossible for one to get 60+ FPS in 1080 even talking about the 9400F, a rather entry level CPU. Sadly, in reality The Honor team is the only one which I know about who offers such high professional ethics in their masterpiece. My Ivy Bridge has been running almost everyday for the last 5 years and it is still going well actually just a bit behind in FPS on some AAA titles. That's why I intend to build out of the 9100 because I am beginning to realize that modern games don't really use the CPU that much. Perhaps I should get the Z390 board, just to leave some room to replace the 9100 with the i7 9700K when its price drops. I am assuming that most motherboards are designed to last. Possible upgrade would be 9100->9600K->9700K when games really demand more threads within the next 5 years. Meanwhile I really need to spend more wisely on a premium graphics card.

 

[EarthDog]

Well...

1. Your perception on amd is outdated. This isnt the days of phenom and fx. Zen architecture, specifically zen+ and zen2 compete with Intel and are not incomplete.
2. BF V is a title at that limit already. It can use 6-8c evenly.
3. Your Iisred intel upgrade path is ridiculous . Stop nickle and diming yourself. Go 9400 or w/e and then at least 9700k if not 9900k. Then look at the next platform in 5 years.

GL to you.

 

[andiey]

Sure but you have to consider one thing. You want to get the top-notch thing offering the best of the best you can get. It is same story as some people here stating and arguing to buy 9900K because it is the best at gaming. The OP doesn't want the best. He wants to play 1080p Cyberpunk in the future (like 6 months for now). He doesn't need all these lanes because he is not going to use them anyway. The NVMe drives for the 570 are not that great now since they are still need some work. Why pay so much for the x570 board when the performance gain is none? To brag that you have one?
In the future the boards will be cheaper and OP will be able to swap the board with x570 for less that's for sure. Also it may be worth it then with all the features and stuff it has to offer but also with the product line that will use all of these features.

Thanks for your thoughtfulness, you're just helping me to save some money after all, really appreciate!

I don't like getting second hand parts so naturally I don't expect too much of selling, I presume when you say swapping you meant "trade-in"?

About the top-notch thing, I am willing to spend more on intelligent choices which is what I meant in my previous threads. If ever they gave you a misleading message, apologies.

9900K definitely is the KING at this moment, and surely it is going to last for a pretty long period of time. In fact, a good i7 7700K which is a 4c/8t once nearly premium CPU and it is still doing great. The situation will repeat for 9900K in say the next 7 to 8 years. I am sure, it will be able to break the 60+ barrier compared with 9600K which surely will be more confined by then. I guess that extra dollar spent is like an insurance or future proof. However, I am beginning to see that the days when games which are CPU heavily-bounded is long gone. That practically means that the need for a powerful CPU to supplement the GPU's operation is no longer there, we should be glad about that frankly. I might be just trolling, Intel has been "lazy" for the last few years probably is due to that. The finale is I don't need that much insurance. First, as far as the game genre I am indulging in presents not immediate demand for a 9900K. Second, things keep changing and in 2 years time, 9900K will be well remembered as the previous KING of gaming CPU; I guess I might consider catching up by then.

About X570, here is what I know about: the extra lanes will be used by NVMe and the RX 5500 which is coming up at any minute now. Yes I admit that my draft looks a bit uneven but X570 is worthy of the money because it is really future proof.

Why would you need better VRMs for 3700x when this one is 8c16t just like 2700x? you may need better VRMs if you go 3900x or 3950x but that is it. OP doesn't want to go 3900x but instead 3200g so why the hell he should buy x570 board for so much? 3700x can run on a X470 board no problem. Why do you guys keep misinterpret or confuse other members?

X570 is really expensive. I intent o build a 3200G or 3400G or 3600 on X570 is because I might upgrade the CPU later to 3950X in the end. Mobo is future proof to a certain extent.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Not sure why you are getting hung up on the RX5500 and the PCIE4 bandwidth, the 5500 is not going to use any of it, 3 is more than enough for what that card will be needing with bandwidth to spare.​

 

[andiey]

A 1660 Ti is an excellent choice for 1080p gaming. Of the 21 games W1zzard benched in the review below all of them averaged way over 60 FPS except Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Ghost Recon Wildlands but those 2 are either very demanding or poorly ported. Battlefield V averaged 97 FPS and these games are being benched at the highest settings. That looks good for the near future as well because even though games always get more demanding you will probably be fine.

I can only guess what Cyberpunk 2077 will require but I think you will probably be in good shape with a 1660 Ti for that game when it does release. Possibly you might need to turn down some settings but a lot of times there's really not a noticeable difference between ultra and high settings anyway.

If I were going to buy a 1660 Ti then this is what I would get:

MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Gaming X 6 GB Review

The MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti is the company's most premium offering based on the new NVIDIA Turing chip that lacks ray-tracing features, designed to woo gamers under the $300-mark. Twin Frozr 7 and other premium MSI exclusives dress up this factory-overclocked card that sits quiet when idling.

www.techpowerup.com

Thanks for the link. I also have the feeling that 1660 TI can last for the medium term. Also I am considering the RX 5700 which is a bit more expensive than the 1600Ti and I am trying to figure out if I ever have the need for that given 1660 Ti can suffice my game's demand.

Oh, did I mention that I m expecting Very High settings. I gave up Epic or Ultra settings, well more precisely I can compromise for that. But if 1660 Ti can't run Cyberpunk 2077 at 60+ at Very High, I would be a bit let down.

Not exactly sure how the APUs snuck into your builds, those 3000 series APUs are built on zen+ not zen 2... My advice would be either wait for intel 10th gen or get AM4+ryzen 3600. If you want to start out with something cheaper any of the 2000 or 1000 series chips will be fine, but I wouldn't bother going down to the quad cores. Were it not for the state of intel's security patches I would have recommended Z390+8700k if you could find a good deal, but I can't in good faith recommend that to anyone.

The security issue will plague the Intel community for 10th gen CPUs, it just won't simply go away. So if ever that is the reason why people are stopping themselves from getting Intel's CPUs, it's rather a pathetic situation. I hope it will get sorted in the end, but maybe not in the near future.

8700K is a good CPU but it is not available anymore.

Maybe I start with a 8100 or 9100F + Z390 and wait for the price of 9700K to drop. I probably won't go for 9600K because it's just an i5.

Well...

1. Your perception on amd is outdated. This isnt the days of phenom and fx. Zen architecture, specifically zen+ and zen2 compete with Intel and are not incomplete.
2. BF V is a title at that limit already. It can use 6-8c evenly.
3. Your Iisred intel upgrade path is ridiculous . Stop nickle and diming yourself. Go 9400 or w/e and then at least 9700k if not 9900k. Then look at the next platform in 5 years.

GL to you.

You're right. 9600K is a bit not in the picture because of its price. Start with 9400F and jump right up to 9700K in a year or 2, that money spent on 9400F can well justified.

Check this video: 9400F + RX 570 gets avg 70 FPS

He is GPU limited. He needs a better GPU.

 

[jayjr1105]

I didn't read every single post in the thread but my vote is for a R5 3600 and a B450 Motherboard. I'd suggest a MSI B450 Gaming Plus for $85 and can be BIOS flashed without a CPU (I think). It has ample VRM's for even a stock 3900x. Pair it with 3200-3600 RAM at the lowest timings you feel comfortable spending money on but several 3600 kits of 16GB are ~$90 right now.

Yes the 9900K is gaming king but if you play at 1080p and with settings on high/ultra AND you don't spend more than $500 on GPU, you'll never know the difference

 

[andiey]

Thanks folks.
I just borrowed a RX 570 from my Cousin. BF V now worked GREAT! ~58 @ Ultra, I can't believe my eyes.

Now it is as clear as the white blue sky: modern games almost don't depend on the CPU! This is an 7 years old CPU and it can play BF V at Ultra!!

Now I finally believe those videos showing a i3 8100 + RX 580 makes 90+ in BF V; to b honest previously I thought that was a make-up/fake.

So, why would I buy a high end Intel CPU now? An i3 8100 just costs about $125

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

3600 is only marginally more and has better upgrade paths, a Ryzen 1600 would be the cheaper option.

 

[jayjr1105]

Thanks folks.
I just borrowed a RX 570 from my Cousin. BF V now worked GREAT! ~58 @ Ultra, I can't believe my eyes.

Now it is as clear as the white blue sky: modern games almost don't depend on the CPU! This is an 7 years old CPU and it can play BF V at Ultra!!

Now I finally believe those videos showing a i3 8100 + RX 580 makes 90+ in BF V; to b honest previously I thought that was a make-up/fake.

So, why would I buy a high end Intel CPU now? An i3 8100 just costs about $125

You couldn't be more wrong. New games crave CPU power, ESPECIALLY BF games. Also, i3 8100 is a terrible purchase. Only 4 core 4 threads for $125. You can get a Ryzen 2600 for that with 6 core 12 threads.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Now it is as clear as the white blue sky: modern games almost don't depend on the CPU!

That depends on the game. Many modern games are very CPU intensive. In fact, the gaming industry is a primary factor driving the ever increasing demand for 12 (and more) core processors.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Guy's obviosuly a big Intel/anti-AMD fan from his posts, disregards anything AMD whilst blowing smoke outta intel's butt at every chance he gets, let him get his 6c/6t Intel which no game is going to want more of (cue next gen consoles all running 8c/16t AMD chips) in the next 5 years and pay more for it than an equivalent AMD CPU with more threads, troll post /thread

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I have an old system. Essential components are

i5 4670K
P8Z77 Deluxe
Corsair H60 AIO cooler
Corsair HX 850
Corsair Vengeance 1333 2 x 4GB
660 Ti

I play Battlefield V, For Honour, Final Fantasy XV and Company of Heroes II. Very slow all of these titles and never manage to get 60+ FPS.

I want to have a completely new system. To start with, what CPU should I get? Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.

Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.

Thanks!

Simply no choice to make a 9700k or 9900k.

Why so many pages for a fan of intel.

 

[Mac2580]

I also generally prefer Intel CPU's over AMD. If I was upgrading right now I would go for the 9900K. If I couldnt afford it, I wouldnt consider an Intel CPU at all. The Ryzen CPU's are far better value long term IMO. The extra threads will surely come in handy a few years down the line. Honestly, I would go for a GPU first. You mentioned that you were surprised by your CPU doing 58FPS, im pretty sure that the RX570 or Ram was the bottleneck and that the CPU is capable of around 70FPS in that title without overclocking.

 

[(*^^*)]

I have an old system. Essential components are

i5 4670K
P8Z77 Deluxe
Corsair H60 AIO cooler
Corsair HX 850
Corsair Vengeance 1333 2 x 4GB
660 Ti

I play Battlefield V, For Honour, Final Fantasy XV and Company of Heroes II. Very slow all of these titles and never manage to get 60+ FPS.

I want to have a completely new system. To start with, what CPU should I get? Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.

Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.

Thanks!

I used to use an antique similar to you before. I think if you use a better product, you will have a good experience no matter what you use. It is a story about an unexpected failure or an initial failure. I don't know who the initial failure is. Stop thinking. If you just want to play the game titles you are enjoying without stress, you can use GTX1660ti or RTX2060 SUPER. I think that GPU bound is better than bottleneck, so the CPU is close to the top of core i5 or i7. All you have to do is arrange the motherboard, memory, and storage according to these power supply units. Please note that the core i series, like AMD, may not be compatible with previous generation motherboards and younger new CPUs, so investigating and purchasing them will reduce stress. Later, Intel heard that the core i3.5.7 series was abandoned and production discontinued. How long can I buy this story if it is true? Also, I think it is necessary to pay attention to price fluctuations. Lastly, AMD was surprised that it was almost the same as Intel's game performance since the third generation. Approximately the same price or less. It is even more surprising that it is strong for uses other than games. In addition, the latest AMD Ryzen 3000 series is happy to run on the previous generation motherboard. Akihabara in Japan sells B450 for around $ 70, but if you buy it together with the latest Ryzen CPU, you get a discount of $ 70. I regret when I tried AMD, but I want to respect the challenge. AMD Ryzen has caught up with Intel. If you try it, I think it was the current timing. . But if you only have a game, you can make a good choice on Intel! I hope you can do what you want!

 

[Dan848]

I did not read most of the replies. I did read all of your posts and concluded that what you stated is what you are leaning toward, and in part, that includes quality components, and the right components that will project your build to last 5 years or more.

I started working in the computer industry about 35 years ago and used computers prior to that. Over the decades I have enjoyed working with hardware and hardware diagnostics. I have also enjoyed fringe work from overclocking to delidding CPUs. I have found that no one person has all of the answers and that has lead me to a never ending quest for knowledge regarding computers from technical manuals to watching YouTube videos. I have diagnosed, repaired, designed or built everything from servers to HEDTs.

With that out of the way and with your gaming / compute needs in mind with an emphasis on gaming, I suggest you purchase the most expensive CPU that you can afford. Because you will not be tinkering with the BIOS very much, if any including no overclocking, I suggest you purchase an i9 9900, not the K version, you will not be overclocking so you can save some money there. You also should get a high quality motherboard. I am not going to get into the pros and cons of every board here, that would take a two hour video and I am not going to type a book. So, I suggest the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming Ultra, the reason is it has a great hardware to utilize four DIMMs or sticks of RAM, something that not all motherboards support, it also has very good VRMs and makes proper use of them to provide outstanding stability. You may prefer B die RAM however it is not needed with that CPU, just good 3000 to 4000 RAM with lower, tighter, timings, though the most expensive is not needed. CAS 16 for 3200 or CAS 18 3600 RAM is fine, here again I will not get into specifics as this comment will be long enough as it is. There are several good options here. I suggest you start with four sticks of 8GB Crucial Ballistix or G.Skill Flare X if you think you may switch to AMD in the future and want to carry over the RAM with absolute confidence it will work. Two generations from now AMD is supposed to support DDR5 however I suspect it and DDR-4 will be supported with Ryzen 4. I have used both Crucial and Flare X for years.

There are a number of good quality power supplies on the market. I suggest a 650 watt Corsair or 650/660 watt Seasonic silver or higher 80 PLUS rating for either PSU. Many people argue that the higher 80 PLUS rating is a waste of money because it may not pay for itself with lower power bills due to better efficiency. However, those people may not realize that a higher 80 PLUS rating requires higher quality components, and that is my reasoning, quality. It is that quality that ensures a cleaner supply of electricity to the computer and long life.

Storage. Intel 2TB 660p NVMe SSD. It is relatively inexpensive and fast.

Video card: MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X To game at high FPS expect to replace one component within five or six years of computer use, the video card. When the Nvidia 5080 or AMD counterpart becomes available it will probably be time to upgrade that single component.

CPU cooler: For an eight to 12 core CPU, Noctua U-12S or U12A, the latter cools a little better and clears sticks of RAM better, both rival or outperform 240mm water cooling, and water coolers come with the possibility of the impeller going bad or other possible problems.

Case: I suggest a high airflow mid tower that uses large fans and with the dimensions required to install a moderately large high quality CPU air cooler and a high quality large video card. Large coolers provide better cooling and yield longer life to the CPU and GPU.

A note about motherboards for AMD, get a high end X570. You do not need the most expensive, however lower end boards are fine for low to mid range Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, however, as you add more stress through a higher core count quality boards yield less headaches, in fact I expect $140 motherboards to not function properly or fail with a Ryzen 3900X. Always look to the future.

Regarding Intel motherboards. The 10000 series motherboards next year will have a higher pin count, which will necessitate a different MB and more importantly the silicon will be new which means teething problems. Expect to be a beta tester for Intel if you purchase a 10000 series CPU and motherboard early on. The higher pin count should facilitate higher clocks and more cores more effectively, just be careful about early adoption.

Why get a high end CPU? For future games. Some games use eight cores or threads currently with a few that can use more. If you want to make sure you are purchasing a computer that will last five years you need to look into the future of gaming.

It is true that four cores and eight threads are for the most part fine for today, however not for the future. It is highly likely next generation gaming consoles will use 64 bit eight core AMD CPUs. That means game creators will be writing code for those systems and many of those games will be ported over to PCs, which in turn, means utilization of more cores.

To some degree I face the same dilemma that you find yourself in regarding a CPU. I am currently using an i7 7700K overclocked to 4.8GHz, it will do 5.2GHz but found the extra MHz is not needed for gaming at the moment. For example, while playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare beta, with all graphics maxed out except shadows, I was averaging around 225 FPS with the 7700K and my MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X at 1080p. I have a 165Hz 1080p 32 inch monitor.

Finally, regarding a computer I am under the impression that you are not constrained by finances as you indicated in your above post, if so, please let me know. Also please take into consideration that I place great emphasis on high quality hardware.

You should be able to find information on much of the above through google searches or on YouTube. Please disregard any errors in grammar and spelling because I did not proof read this.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Thanks folks.
I just borrowed a RX 570 from my Cousin. BF V now worked GREAT! ~58 @ Ultra, I can't believe my eyes.

Now it is as clear as the white blue sky: modern games almost don't depend on the CPU! This is an 7 years old CPU and it can play BF V at Ultra!!

Now I finally believe those videos showing a i3 8100 + RX 580 makes 90+ in BF V; to b honest previously I thought that was a make-up/fake.

So, why would I buy a high end Intel CPU now? An i3 8100 just costs about $125

It's the cat mouse game bud.

No matter what you buy today, it's dated tomorrow. Literally (just about)....

So you've proven yourself, you don't need a big bad i 9900K Beast. Will you get higher frame rates, yes.
The question becomes budget. Lasting 5 years ect. Well to help realize that in 5 years, your hardware will likely be just fine and do it's job, but the video card will also then be a generation or two old. So again, you'll be in the same exact spot your in now.....

There are so many good configurations of hardware. You could litterally buy two mid ranged gaming cards, run SLI or Crossfire and make some good frame rates. This path of upgrade is getting what you can afford now, upgrade it cheaper a year later down the road, get higher frame rates at some less percentage of costs....

So a few titles can run 8 cores up on a load. So any 8 core cpu is going to suit your needs. In 5 years, it won't be likely that games will use 16 threads while both AMD and Intel support SMT and HT.

In reality, it's much easier to help you build with a solid number to work with... what's your true budget?

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Guy's obviosuly a big Intel/anti-AMD fan from his posts, disregards anything AMD whilst blowing smoke outta intel's butt at every chance he gets, let him get his 6c/6t Intel which no game is going to want more of (cue next gen consoles all running 8c/16t AMD chips) in the next 5 years and pay more for it than an equivalent AMD CPU with more threads, troll post /thread

He prefers the stutterfest experience of high 50s FPS i guess (x

I remember my first laptop playing BF3 I did everything in my power to get stable 60+ FPS, but I guess some people think differently.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Guy's obviosuly a big Intel/anti-AMD fan from his posts, disregards anything AMD whilst blowing smoke outta intel's butt at every chance he gets, let him get his 6c/6t Intel which no game is going to want more of (cue next gen consoles all running 8c/16t AMD chips) in the next 5 years and pay more for it than an equivalent AMD CPU with more threads, troll post /thread

Some people have just used Intel for years and years and rightly or wrongly, good or bad just feel safer for going with something that they know and that has treated them good in the past, I don't translate a preference for Intel as anti AMD, just someone set in their ways thinking they are playing it safe and sadly some people just don't want to change but that's their choice.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Some people have just used Intel for years and years and rightly or wrongly, good or bad just feel safer for going with something that they know and that has treated them good in the past

I just had a similar conversation on another site about PSUs (Corsairs specifically). I said, brand loyalty is pretty much human nature. I think most of us are that way - going both ways. That is, we stick with brands that have served us well, but we also avoid brands that didn't.

But that's not always the best policy - especially in competitive markets where brands continually "leap-frog" over each other, taking turns being in the lead.

And of course, markets change, as do company leaderships and policies. Corsair is certainly not the only company that used to be untouchable, but sat on their laurels and either changed in a bad way, or didn't change and adjust then failed to keep up with the competition. Intel was king and thought they were invincible. Then AMD leap-frogged over it. It took over 10 years for Intel to leap-frog back into the lead and for sure, AMD is constantly nipping at their heels again - with some models leading in their class.

That, of course, is all good for promoting and creating incentives for competition. And competition is always good for us consumers.

I added,

All I am saying, if you are shopping for a new PSU, its okay to look at Corsairs. But just do your homework before buying. Not all Corsairs are the best in their class. Check the competition too.

IMO, that holds true for CPUs too.

I don't translate a preference for Intel as anti AMD

For some, I agree. But clearly some pick Company A's product just because they hate Company B.

The Ryzen CPU's are far better value long term IMO.

Better "value"? I have a problem with statements like this. What does "value" really mean? I think it is different for everyone. Yes, most Intels cost more compared to the AMD in that class. But the CPU is just one component in the computer. Factor in the cost of the motherboard, RAM, case, PSU, drives, cooler, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, Windows and application licenses, then spread those costs over the 3 - 5 year (or longer) life expectancy of the computer, and is the "value" that much different?

 

[Komshija]

I wouldn't upgrade the CPU. Certainly not for gaming because i5 4670K is still more than good. Rather upgrade GPU to RX 590 or RX 580. Bear in mind that RX 580 is almost twice as powerful as GTX 660 Ti, while RX 590 is about 2,2 times more powerful than GTX 660 Ti.