Do you believe the new navi cards will be released with stable drivers?

[EarthDog]

Nor is baseless attacks. I speak from experience.


Never had nor have I ever heard of anyone having it on Navi 14 while it was quite rampant on Navi 10, especially RX 5700/RX 5700 XT.

Edit: Here's one, card was likely just bad:

5500 XT problem.

Hi everybody. I've got a problem with one of my 5500 XT cards. I been using it with 3970X threadripper, 64 GB corsair vengeance ram, Asus TRX-40 pro Prime, Corsair AX850, Samsung 970 Pro 1TB. The problem is pretty weird. Computer boots to BIOS and I can see that everything is in order...

www.techpowerup.com

Attack? Lol, get some hackles man... pretend like you're in the lounge or something, lol.

Your singular experience means nothing. An anecdote. We know at the peak of this 95 of 100 navi cards, or more, don't have these issues. So what does one experience tell us?? Nothing..its anecdotal. I agree it doesn't seem to be as prevalent, however it is real.

Cheers... its grilling and drinking time.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

...however it is real.

Prove it. The case I linked definitely wasn't the stereotypical "black screen" because rebooting the system recovers from it. That card worked for 2.5 weeks and died, never to work again.

The black screen problem that plagues Navi 10 never affected Navi 14. That's my point. The issue Navi 14 has is the fact it ships with 4 GiB and PCIe 4.0 x8 lanes; there's a TPU article about that.

Navi 10 had a rough launch. Navi 14 was fantastic (except price). Not hearing anything bad about Navi 12 either but that's an Apple exclusive product.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Except that Polaris 2x and 3x didn't have much in the way of extraordinary driver issues nor did Vega 2x. That's the point: Navi 2x should have a smoother launch than Navi 1x did but the new features (like raytracing) may be rough around the edges.

AMD spent the last six months refining drivers because of all the bugs introduced by the Radeon Software makeover. When's the last time NVIDIA even did a major UI redesign? Decades ago?

Yeah well, Polaris was the end of the line of 5-6 years of basically the same core architecture, so it better not have too many major issues (and it still had a number), but as soon as they do the first notable redesign, they can't produce half-decent drivers to save their lives, even a whole year after release. What they've been doing so far is putting band aids on an open fracture.

 

[Assimilator]

Based on the past few architecture releases, no.

But I remain optimistic that Lisa Su will crack the whip over at RTG and get them to pull their heads outta their a**es.

 

[bug]

Enough nonsense ill leave these here

Nvidia
"

Open Issues (Updated 6/30/20):

• [Notebook][H-Clone]: With the integrated graphics processor as the clone source, display settings cannot be changed from the NVIDIA Control Panel. [200594188]
• [Sunset Overdrive]: The game may display random green corruption if Depth of Field is enabled from in-game settings. [2750770]
• [VR]: HDCP errors occur with Valve Index VR. [2967616]
• [Call of Duty: Modern Warfare]: Color banding can occur in the game after enabling Image Sharpening from the NVIDIA Control Panel. [2889337/3028436]
• [Call of Duty - Warzone]: Freestyle does not work. [200593020]
• [Forza Motorsport 7]: The curb may display a black strip during a race on certain tracks. [2781776]
• [Zombie Army: Dead War 4][Ansel/Freestyle]: The Ansel & Freestyle tabs are unselectable. [2810884]
• [Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege][Vulkan][G-SYNC]: When playing the game in Vulkan mode with G-SYNC enabled, flickering occurs after switching the game between full-screen and windowed mode.[200578641] To work around, either disable G-SYNC or play using an API other than Vulkan.
• [Kepler]: With SLI/multi-GPU and G-SYNC enabled, TDRs may occur after launching an app [200628981]
• [Advanced Optimus][The Witcher 3 WILD HUNT]: The game launches minimized when NVIDIA Control Panel Manage Display mode is set to Automatic or Optimus and cannot be restored to full screen. [200628973]
• [Notebook]: Some Pascal-based notebooks w/ high refresh rate displays may randomly drop to 60Hz during gameplay. [3009452]
• [Notebook][G-SYNC]: Graphical corruption occurs when windowed G-SYNC+V-Sync is On while running applications in Clone/Duplicate mode. [200628911]
• [Notebook]: LVDS-display goes blank upon rebooting the system after driver installation on some systems. [200627952]
• Video playback on the secondary display lags/freezes while playing a game on the primary display if Hardware-accelerated GPU Scheduling is enabled [200586262]
• Adjustments in Lumetri color panel causes video to appear noisy in Adobe Premiere [3038602]
• [DX12]Shadow of the Tomb Raider may crash on launch if Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling is enabled [3037544]
• 144Hz capable HDMI displays will not go above 120hz [3038540]
• [451.48][Detroit: Become Human] Game may randomly crash

AMD
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• Radeon RX Vega Series and Radeon VII graphics products may experience performance drops when Performance Metrics Overlay is open while a game is running.
• Some game titles may experience hitching when Instant Replay is enabled on Radeon RX 5000 series system configurations.
• Enhanced Sync may cause a black screen to occur when enabled on some games and system configurations. Any users who may be experiencing issues with Enhanced Sync enabled should disable it as a temporary workaround.
• Using Edge™ web browser to playback video content with a multi display system configuration may cause a system hang or crash after extended periods of use.
• Performance Metrics Overlay and Radeon WattMan incorrectly report higher than expected idle clock speeds on Radeon RX 5700 series graphics products. Performance and power consumption are not impacted by this incorrect reporting.
• Some games may exhibit stutter intermittently during gameplay on Radeon RX 5000 series graphics products.
• Radeon RX Vega series graphics products may experience a system crash or TDR when performing multiple task switches using Alt+Tab.
• Modifying the HDMI Scaling slider may cause FPS to become locked to 30.
• Desktop or In-game corruption may occur intermittently when HDR is enabled.
• Some users may still experience black screen or system hang issues during extended periods of gameplay. AMD will continue to monitor and investigate reports of these issues closely.

who has the longer list.

Perhaps look here for a reality check

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/384770/geforce-45148-game-ready-driver-feedback-thread-re/

Nvidia's list is longer (no wonder since AMD can't confirm a problem at large after almost a year).
But let's look at what's on that list:

• One game crash (Detroit: Become Human) and one TDR for SLI Kepler with G-Sync enabled for Nvidia.
• System hang/crash when using Edge (I guess MS fixed this for AMD when they rewrote Edge), system crash or TDR when alt-tabbing for Vega plus an additional system hang for AMD.

So you see, it's nice to compare lengths, but reading (and understanding) is better.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Nvidia's list is longer (no wonder since AMD can't confirm a problem at large after almost a year).
But let's look at what's on that list:

• One game crash (Detroit: Become Human) and one TDR for SLI Kepler with G-Sync enabled for Nvidia.
• System hang/crash when suing Edge (I guess MS fixed this for AMD when they rewrote Edge), system crash or TDR when alt-tabbing for Vega plus an additional system hang for AMD.

So you see, it's nice to compare lengths, but reading (and understanding) is better.

See point 32b or whatever the single line of text calling out the length was little more than banter, the three facts provided proved what I said.

 

[bonehead123]

Short answer to the OP's original question: NO !

Long answer: Hell no !

Really long answer: Not no, not hell no, but fuki saki juku NO !

This is what I believe.....

'nuff said

 

[EarthDog]

Prove it. The case I linked definitely wasn't the stereotypical "black screen" because rebooting the system recovers from it. That card worked for 2.5 weeks and died, never to work again.

The black screen problem that plagues Navi 10 never affected Navi 14. That's my point. The issue Navi 14 has is the fact it ships with 4 GiB and PCIe 4.0 x8 lanes; there's a TPU article about that.

Navi 10 had a rough launch. Navi 14 was fantastic (except price). Not hearing anything bad about Navi 12 either but that's an Apple exclusive product.

Sure. Just a quick trip to Google yields several black screen issues with drivers and 5500xt. Again, it isnt as prevalent, but had/has still affected Navi 14. Id imagine amd would detail navi 10 56/5700xt if it only affected those cards, yes? Ill have to look at notes...

Edit: yep.. specific mentions of cards is in there. If I was amd and this wasn't messing with navi 14... id surely say its 10 56/5700 series in the notes like they've done for other issues. But maybe thats just me.

Side note: I'm well aware of the (separate and completely unrelated) issue of neutering the pcie bandwidth and its effects.

 

[wiak]

after my terrible experience with radeon vii and black screens since release day and hearing of all the issues the 5700 and 5600 owners have suffered i doubt in its current state AMD will be able to sell us a stable GPU that wont crash.

imagine buying a top of the range car that always cuts out and leaves you stuck at the kerb.

you can go check the amd forums many users of these cards are still suffering from major stability issues.



For this reason i am selling my radeon vii and switching to the green team.

for the last 20 years i always bought a AMD gpu.

dunno if i can hang on till the new release from nvidia trying hard to stop myself from buying a evga 2080ti

Do you believe the new navi cards will be released with stable drivers?


opinions please........

did you overclock anything?, is your power supply stable?
amd cards are picky on both cpu/gpu overclocking and unstable power supplies

 

[Lindatje]

AMD and drivers..... not a good match.
They always had bad drivers.

I had the R9 270 = bad drivers.
I had the RX 480 = bad drivers.
I had the RX Vega 56 = bad drivers.
I had the RX Navi 5700XT = bad drivers

I have now the RTX 2070 Super = no problems anymore.

For GPU’s just buy Nvidia.

 

[Mussels]

*Laughs in 8800GTX driver has stopped responding*

Wait and see. The navi driver issues are so erratic, who even knows what the primary cause for those issues is.

 

[cucker tarlson]

AMD and drivers..... not a good match.
They always had bad drivers.

I had the R9 270 = bad drivers.
I had the RX 480 = bad drivers.
I had the RX Vega 56 = bad drivers.
I had the RX Navi 5700XT = bad drivers

I have now the RTX 2070 Super = no problems anymore.

For GPU’s just buy Nvidia.

I had a 7870,290s,and a slew of ati cards earlier.It was never that bad.I hardly remember any drver related bsods,hangs,crashes etc
My first nv was a 980 in 2015.I'll keep buying them as long as the eperience is solid like it's been for 5 years.

though I find it hilarious it's the same individuals that laugh at "it just works" that desperately deny navi stability issues.
seems like there's never been an issue with rtx-on games being unstable while amd are just all over the place.if you've got things like

• Enhanced Sync may cause a black screen to occur when enabled on some games and system configurations. Any users who may be experiencing issues with Enhanced Sync enabled should disable it as a temporary workaround.
• Some games may exhibit stutter intermittently during gameplay on Radeon RX 5000 series graphics products.
• Some users may still experience black screen or system hang issues during extended periods of gameplay. AMD will continue to monitor and investigate reports of these issues closely.

hanging in for a year after the launch then it's a good indication that those issues are likely to stay

 

[Caring1]

AMD and drivers..... not a good match.
They always had bad drivers.
For GPU’s just buy Nvidia.

You mean the Nvidia Game (almost) Ready drivers that need a patch a week after they come out?

 

[bug]

You mean the Nvidia Game (almost) Ready drivers that need a patch a week after they come out?

A week, not a year

 

[Vya Domus]

All of this is hogwash, both of them are plagued with issues.

• [451.48][Detroit: Become Human] Game may randomly crash

Just to illustrate something, I've recently replayed this game with these drivers and it would crash my system so hard, no signal and all that, it made me think that my GPU was dying.

Also, this is hilarious:

• Video playback on the secondary display lags/freezes while playing a game on the primary display if Hardware-accelerated GPU Scheduling is enabled [200586262]
• [DX12]Shadow of the Tomb Raider may crash on launch if Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling is enabled [3037544]

Imagine if AMD enabled this and got the same issues, everyone would flood forums and perpetuate the meme that their drivers are bad. I've tried enabling GPU scheduling and all games became unplayable.

So enjoy your illusion that Nvidia is better when it comes down to drivers. At the end of the day it's all about the color of the sticker, isn't ? People's beliefs and rationale are a lot more simplistic than we like to think.

 

[cucker tarlson]

A week, not a year

Exactly
And usually not exactly a freeze/crash situation anyway

All of this is hogwash, both of them are plagued with issues.



Just to illustrate something, I've recently replayed this game with these drivers and it would crash my system so hard, no signal and all that, it made me think that my GPU was dying.

Enjoy your illusion that Nvidia is better when it comes down to drivers.

Now spot the difference Sherlock
First clue-the issue was identified.

If you equate this to the whole navi story then good luck picking any card.get a Tetris.

also: nvidia crashes harder

 

[efikkan]

It's astounding how some people are unable to distinguish AMD's persistent crashing issues with trivial game glitches from Nvidia, yet the same people see a world of difference between the same class of (mostly theoretical) security issues in CPUs from Intel and AMD, issues which unlike AMD's crashing drivers have no real victims.

AMD have struggled with these issues for years now. These cases are either an impressive sequence of random misfortune, all deep in their driver core, or there is an underlying condition.

 

[cucker tarlson]

It's astounding how some people are unable to distinguish AMD's persistent crashing issues with trivial game glitches from Nvidia, yet the same people see a world of difference between the same class of (mostly theoretical) security issues in CPUs from Intel and AMD, issues which unlike AMD's crashing drivers have no real victims.

AMD have struggled with these issues for years now. These cases are either an impressive sequence of random misfortune, all deep in their driver core, or there is an underlying condition.

crashes are always harder on the other side

 

[HenrySomeone]

They can't or won't see reason, there is no real argument to get through to them, they are fanboys. What puzzles me the most though is why they are so many, since AMD is no charity and the little money you might save initialy, gets "compensated" by all the various quality of life issues they have, both with their platforms and especially their gpus. Oh and unless you only game once in a blue moon (although given their drivers, probably not so rare occurance, lol ), you will pay back the couple dozen $ (at most) for a comparably performing gpu in electricity...

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I wonder how many people here attacking Navi actually have used Navi.

I've beat 69 games on my 5500 XT (Navi), not one issue, and on top of that, I have never even heard the fan spin because it stays under 60C at 100% load playing games at 1920x1200. It's a phenomenal card with literally no issues.

Even back on the RX 590 (Polaris), hundreds of games beat and no issues.

R9 390 (Grenada), hundreds of games beat and only two issues: OpenGL on Unity Engine launcher started slow (fixed) and DirectX 9 broke in a major update (fixed).

Radeon Technology Group's track record is overwhelmingly positive in my view. Does that make me a fanboy? AMD earned it.


Back on topic: I have every reason to believe RDNA 2 drivers will be stable at launch. They won't be perfect but no driver is.

 

[xman2007]

I wonder how many people here attacking Navi actually have used Navi.

I've beat 69 games on my 5500 XT (Navi), not one issue, and on top of that, I have never even heard the fan spin because it stays under 60C at 100% load playing games at 1920x1200. It's a phenomenal card with literally no issues.

Even back on the RX 590 (Polaris), hundreds of games beat and no issues.

R9 390 (Grenada), hundreds of games beat and only two issues: OpenGL on Unity Engine launcher started slow (fixed) and DirectX 9 broke in a major update (fixed).

Radeon Technology Group's track record is overwhelmingly positive in my view.

No, most are Nvidia fans who likely haven't used an amd card for years bar the few who have and have jumped ship but they read the threads on here where some users have had issues and equate that to amd drivers being pieces of crap when in fact for the majority of users they don't have any issues, I know I haven't for years and yes I've owned Nvidia in that time as well. It's called a bandwagon and people are only too happy to jump on it. And you have the same crowd who troll any amd cpu thread also though it happens so often on here the mods don't give a crap until all hell breaks out which it inevitably does in most cases, shame really when you have new users looking for advice and they have to wade through pages of the same crap intel/Nvidia>amd posts

 

[bug]

No, most are Nvidia fans who likely haven't used an amd card for years bar the few who have and have jumped ship but they read the threads on here where some users have had issues and equate that to amd drivers being pieces of crap when in fact for the majority of users they don't have any issues, I know I haven't for years and yes I've owned Nvidia in that time as well. It's called a bandwagon and people are only too happy to jump on it. And you have the same crowd who troll any amd cpu thread also though it happens so often on here the mods don't give a crap until all hell breaks out which it inevitably does in most cases, shame really when you have new users looking for advice and they have to wade through pages of the same crap intel/Nvidia>amd posts

So basically, it's like this:
- we have an unusual problem, making a small percentage of cards (or maybe a particular setup) behave erratically, that's still at large almost a year after Navi's launch
- people that see this as a problem - Nvidia fanboys
- people that don't see this as a problem - AMD fanboys

There is no way to call this as it is: something ugly that only affects few (but more than usual) users and be perceived as using common sense. It goes well with the times we're living, I guess.

@FordGT90Concept Did you own a 2080Ti when you posted this? https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...t-afford-a-2080-ti.249573/page-2#post-3950310

 

[WeeRab]

There are actual real people who are paid REAL money to rubbish competitors products.
TPU forums and Reddit aren't the places to get accurate answers to anything.
Weirdly...None. And i mean None, of the hardware reviewers had ANY trouble with driver issues with the AMD 5xxx series.

Let's face it. The majority of PC gamers are pretty much tech illiterate when it comes to the PC hardware/software interface, and should be gaming on consoles.
There will always be problems for people like that.

 

[Keullo-e]

Yes. I believe that AMD has learned from RX 5700 disaster

 

[sepheronx]

No, most are Nvidia fans who likely haven't used an amd card for years bar the few who have and have jumped ship but they read the threads on here where some users have had issues and equate that to amd drivers being pieces of crap when in fact for the majority of users they don't have any issues, I know I haven't for years and yes I've owned Nvidia in that time as well. It's called a bandwagon and people are only too happy to jump on it. And you have the same crowd who troll any amd cpu thread also though it happens so often on here the mods don't give a crap until all hell breaks out which it inevitably does in most cases, shame really when you have new users looking for advice and they have to wade through pages of the same crap intel/Nvidia>amd posts

While I had a problem with 1 set of drivers for a RX 580 at one point, I haven't really experienced hell for AMD drivers since it was ATI and it was a 1900 GTO. Otherwise, I haven't had the same experience some people are posting or mentioning elsewhere. Although, I do not disregard it either. AMD admitted that there were driver issues that resulted in black screen. I base what I know off of my experience. I dont take the words exactly to heart from people over the internet. But to disregard it isn't good either.