Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

Looks like I don't get to life-hack my way to 3733 by adding a little more VSoC, looks like the MTH guide was right, going past 1.10V does no favours for daily stability:



The Kernel-Power events from a BSOD don't tell you anything but the WHEA Logger errors that immediately follow sometimes will. The ten Error and Warning events from WHEA Logger in the past 3 months have all been Bus/Interconnect Errors. Don't need any more hints to tell me what that means, especially not after the r/Publicfreakout my entire rig suffered a few days ago.

VDDP and VDDG are about as far as they should ever go. The DRAM is stable at 1.38V. I'm already up to 1.13V and the BSODs only get more frequent with more volts. They're also getting more frequent with time. The more I do this and I wonder if my CPU might actually kick the bucket.

Back to 3600 it is. No sense in pushing a June '19 3700X past its limits. Maybe a 5900X next month will change things up.

 

[8BitZ80]

Best power plan for ZEN2 was/is 1usmus Universal PowerPlan v1.1
Finds the best cores and load them more in light/middle thread count and gaming.

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know about it. I tried it out for myself and the new power plan seems to have bumped up performance by 5% on my Ryzen 3100. Nice.

 

[Xzibit]

Looks like I don't get to life-hack my way to 3733 by adding a little more VSoC, looks like the MTH guide was right, going past 1.10V does no favours for daily stability:

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The Kernel-Power events from a BSOD don't tell you anything but the WHEA Logger errors that immediately follow sometimes will. The ten Error and Warning events from WHEA Logger in the past 3 months have all been Bus/Interconnect Errors. Don't need any more hints to tell me what that means, especially not after the r/Publicfreakout my entire rig suffered a few days ago.

VDDP and VDDG are about as far as they should ever go. The DRAM is stable at 1.38V. I'm already up to 1.13V and the BSODs only get more frequent with more volts. They're also getting more frequent with time. The more I do this and I wonder if my CPU might actually kick the bucket.

Back to 3600 it is. No sense in pushing a June '19 3700X past its limits. Maybe a 5900X next month will change things up.

How did you get it a month early ?

I've kept mine on default/auto

 

[tabascosauz]

How did you get it a month early ?

I've kept mine on default/auto

That's damn impressive for 1.044V! Auto for me on all 3 boards is 1.1V, so 1.087V actual. I was already running into interconnect errors then. I guess I could try to go lower just to see, but at this point I'm pretty tired of dealing with BSODs.

No, I got mine at the end of July, but the batch code on the IHS is 1924 - 24th week of 2019, so end of June manufacture. Anyways, 3700X *still* not really renown for their overclockability compared to the other SKUs, and mine was launch-quality, so... there are worse 3700Xs on CPU clock and worse 3600s on IF clock, but it doesn't get much worse than mine.

 

[biffzinker]

That's damn impressive for 1.044V! Auto for me on all 3 boards is 1.1V, so 1.087V actual.

AIDA64 reports the correct SoC voltage as set in the BIOS.

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[toilet pepper]

I'm a little confused. I've been able to run my 32GB Patriot Memory to 3800Mhz 1:1 FCLK and almost everyone is saying that 3733Mhz is the sweetspot. I've MEMtested this for hours and came up with no errors. Should I lower it to 3733Mhz?

 

[Chomiq]

I'm a little confused. I've been able to run my 32GB Patriot Memory to 3800Mhz 1:1 FCLK and almost everyone is saying that 3733Mhz is the sweetspot. I've MEMtested this for hours and came up with no errors. Should I lower it to 3733Mhz?

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People are saying a lot of things. If it's stable for you - congrats.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'm a little confused. I've been able to run my 32GB Patriot Memory to 3800Mhz 1:1 FCLK and almost everyone is saying that 3733Mhz is the sweetspot. I've MEMtested this for hours and came up with no errors. Should I lower it to 3733Mhz?

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No, just ignore them. It's all because of an old AMD slide where they said it was the performance sweet spot, i.e. they expected all their CPUs to reach 3733MHz on the IF at that point in time. Now some people are even hitting 3866MHz on the IF, which means they can run their RAM 1:1 at that speed. Also as you can see per the old slide, 67ns is a pretty normal memory latency these days, with better memory being at least a couple of ns faster.
As per a leaked slide for the Ryzen 5000 series, AMD states "DDR4-4000 is to Ryzen 5000 series as DDR4-3800 was to AMD Ryzen 3000 series" which should tell you something.

AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Features Three Synchronized Memory Clock Domains

A leaked presentation slide by AMD for its Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" processors reveals details of the processor's memory interface. Much like the Ryzen 3000 series "Matisse," the Ryzen 5000 series "Vermeer" is a multi-chip module of up to 16 CPU cores spread across two 8-core CPU dies, and a...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[droopyRO]

After i updated the bios to the latest F31b. I started to have this problem. Black screen while i play games, the GPU fans rev up to 100% but the game is running in the background.
I updated the BIOS again to F31d, same problem. I have no overclock on either the GPU, CPU or RAM. The system is the one in my profile.
I will investigate further but i don't know what to make of it, the GPU, CPU, mobo, RAM ? have you encountered something like this ? Thanks.

 

[biffzinker]

I updated the BIOS again to F31d, same problem. I have no overclock on either the GPU, CPU or RAM. The system is the one in my profile.
I will investigate further but i don't know what to make of it, the GPU, CPU, mobo, RAM ? have you encountered something like this ? Thanks.

Have you tried rolling back to the last BIOS version that wasn't bugged (no black screen?) Any chance in pinning it to a hardware component (RAM as an example) causing trouble?

 

[droopyRO]

I don't know if it is the BIOS and i will get a 5600X that is why i updated. I will rollback, but it is strange since the games run but there is no video output and the GPU fans rev up to max.

 

[Calmmo]

Id say go back to the last non beta bios and wait for F31 (no letters) final.

 

[TheLostSwede]

After i updated the bios to the latest F31b. I started to have this problem. Black screen while i play games, the GPU fans rev up to 100% but the game is running in the background.
I updated the BIOS again to F31d, same problem. I have no overclock on either the GPU, CPU or RAM. The system is the one in my profile.
I will investigate further but i don't know what to make of it, the GPU, CPU, mobo, RAM ? have you encountered something like this ? Thanks.

I'm not seeing any of those things. F31d is out now, so maybe try that. Also do a manual clear CMOS, as on the rare occasion, some settings are being retained even though you installed a new UEFI image, which can cause problems.

 

[ne6togadno]

i just noticed i've missed agesa 1.0.0.6 bios for my MB.
i'll have some things to fiddle with for the weekend

 

[mstenholm]

i just noticed i've missed agesa 1.0.0.6 bios for my MB.
i'll have some things to fiddle with for the weekend

And you pulled the H-card. Idiot, twice.

 

[droopyRO]

I'm not seeing any of those things. F31d is out now, so maybe try that. Also do a manual clear CMOS, as on the rare occasion, some settings are being retained even though you installed a new UEFI image, which can cause problems.

I did reset the BIOS, wiped the drivers with DDU from safe mode, uninstalled/reinstalled MSI Afterburner and installed the Nvidia drivers that came out yesterday. The problem seems to have went away for now, weird one though.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I did reset the BIOS, wiped the drivers with DDU from safe mode, uninstalled/reinstalled MSI Afterburner and installed the Nvidia drivers that came out yesterday. The problem seems to have went away for now, weird one though.

Ghost in the machine. It happens sometimes, can't explain it either.

 

[Xzibit]

Anyone know any info on the AGESA v1.1.0.0 patches ?

 

[tabascosauz]

I've been thinking about selling my 3700X afterwards once I get a Vermeer, and trawling online for a 4650G. Anyone have any personal experience with this six-core Renoir middle child? Reputable sellers be selling tray Renoirs on eBay for about $350CAD right now, which is surprisingly okay considering a new 3600 is $275 (which does not pique my specific interest).

Can't be overclocking much with the 32GB CJR kit as it's kind of met its wall at 3800 but the old 16GB 4Gb E-die kit is itching for 1.5V. Renoir seems like it'll let me kill two birds with one stone - 1) enable to me to eliminate the 1070 (which in itself eliminates the biggest source of heat to the DIMMs) from my NCASE so I can also run a second C14S for better CPU and RAM cooling (which in turn improves memory overclocking); 2) overclock the snot out of IF and E-die

So if anyone here can attest to the 4650G's abilities, I'll be dead set on getting one

Anyone know any info on the AGESA v1.1.0.0 patches ?

As in details? Or availability? 1.1.0.0B and C BIOSes seem to be rolling out full force across Asus and GB. Both my B550s took a couple of days after the flagships got theirs, but it's been about two days and they haven't been pulled, so I assume it's the one.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Do i count if i own a trusty fx laptop
as well as a 3200g

 

[Mussels]

Do i count if i own a trusty fx laptop
as well as a 3200g

3200G is baby ryzen, but its still ryzen

 

[Xzibit]

As in details? Or availability? 1.1.0.0B and C BIOSes seem to be rolling out full force across Asus and GB. Both my B550s took a couple of days after the flagships got theirs, but it's been about two days and they haven't been pulled, so I assume it's the one.

Yes, was wondering about changes. Installed C earlier just to check out.

 

[Mussels]

anyone know of good mobos in B550/x570 that dont cost three kidneys, with 2/3 NVME slots that dont eat the GPU slot down to 8x?

 

[thesmokingman]

Looks like I don't get to life-hack my way to 3733 by adding a little more VSoC, looks like the MTH guide was right, going past 1.10V does no favours for daily stability:

View attachment 172617

The Kernel-Power events from a BSOD don't tell you anything but the WHEA Logger errors that immediately follow sometimes will. The ten Error and Warning events from WHEA Logger in the past 3 months have all been Bus/Interconnect Errors. Don't need any more hints to tell me what that means, especially not after the r/Publicfreakout my entire rig suffered a few days ago.

VDDP and VDDG are about as far as they should ever go. The DRAM is stable at 1.38V. I'm already up to 1.13V and the BSODs only get more frequent with more volts. They're also getting more frequent with time. The more I do this and I wonder if my CPU might actually kick the bucket.

Back to 3600 it is. No sense in pushing a June '19 3700X past its limits. Maybe a 5900X next month will change things up.

If you are almost there and just can't get over that hump, dumping more soc voltage will only degrade the chip. There is no good reason to go past 1.1v on soc and more often it can run 1900 IF at less than 1.1v. For example my release week 3900x only needed 1.08v on soc for 1900mhz. My current 3900xt uses the same voltage on soc.

In my exp it could be your timings, something is just too far. On my b-dies at 3800mhz, dram calc calls for cas 15 all around but obviously you can't run cas 15 w/o disabled gear down and power down and my chip/board doesn't like running with gear down off. If set to cas 15, it will run cas 16, which it runs fine with the other timings at 15 and that takes 1.4v. However I could run it at cas 14 TCL, but that requires a lot more voltage around 1.5v. And there are other subtimings that are finicky on my 4 sticks, like tras and trc. Dram calc says I should use tras 30 and trc 48, however that also requires more dram voltage for a reduction in latency that amounts to don't blink. Anyways the point is check your timings, something may be just a hair too far. And I'd add that 3800mhz usually requires around 1.4v so you have room to raise that voltage at least. Like you state your ram is stable at 1.38v but I beg to differ. You are suffering from dram/imc errors which means yo ram isn't stable.

 

[TheLostSwede]

anyone know of good mobos in B550/x570 that dont cost three kidneys, with 2/3 NVME slots that dont eat the GPU slot down to 8x?

Did you take a look here first?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/