PSA: AMD's Graphics Driver will Eat One CPU Core when No Radeon Installed

Mussels · Dec 7, 2020

Aoyagi said:
It's not just when there's no AMD GPU either. It's doing the exact same thing on my 2700U.

wait really? does that system have an IGP and a DGPU?

R-T-B · Dec 7, 2020

Aoyagi said:
It's not just when there's no AMD GPU either. It's doing the exact same thing on my 2700U.

Interesting. Have you tweaked the driver in any unusual way or something that may have contributed to this (not blaming, just curious how it happened. The software should not do this at all.)

Aoyagi · Dec 7, 2020

Mussels said:
wait really? does that system have an IGP and a DGPU?

Yes, really. As I said, it has a Ryzen 2700U, which has a (Radeon) Vega 10 in it. No dGPU, I think I would have mentioned that, haha.

R-T-B said:
Interesting. Have you tweaked the driver in any unusual way or something that may have contributed to this (not blaming, just curious how it happened. The software should not do this at all.)

No, I just updated from an old 18-something driver.

R-T-B · Dec 7, 2020

Aoyagi said:
Yes, really. As I said, it has a Ryzen 2700U, which has a (Radeon) Vega 10 in it. No dGPU, I think I would have mentioned that, haha.

No, I just updated from an old 18-something driver.

Maybe a clean install would fix it.

Still pretty weird. And given what we see here, you probably aren't alone. That's why we do PSAs people.

Mussels · Dec 7, 2020

I'll have to check on my dads RX580 system when he wakes up, and see if this new driver is just bugged out

unless you look losing just one core of performance doesnt stand out too well, when task manager has 16 panels for your CPU

b1k3rdude · Dec 7, 2020

efikkan said:
These are contradictory statements.

And as I said, both DirectX 12 and Vulkan is designed to have a mix of GPUs, so they should be aware of this and test it before shipping a new driver.

As a computer engineer of 20yrs this is a perfectly valid statement.
Call me pessimistic, but your expecting too much as this has never been the case.

Vayra86 · Dec 7, 2020

R-T-B said:
Not anymore. W1zzard siphoned all our knowledge-badges and combined them to give himself superpowers.

Or at least, that's how I'm going to explain my incompetence at work today (OT, don't ask).

Yeah I got infinitely more stupid ever since I lost those

Yukikaze · Dec 7, 2020

Man this thread is a dumpster fire.

Something to note, there is a (very small) subset of users who will feel this adversely.

eGPU users with AMD cards who disconnect from their docking station will be in this state: All the AMD software installed, but no card present. Running a single core this hard on battery is also going to suck for battery life.

lexluthermiester · Dec 7, 2020

Yukikaze said:
Something to note, there is a (very small) subset of users who will feel this adversely.

eGPU users with AMD cards who disconnect from their docking station will be in this state: All the AMD software installed, but no card present. Running a single core this hard on battery is also going to suck for battery life.

This is an excellent point. Illustrates a perfect use-case scenario where the drivers and software are needed but not always in use.

Octopuss · Dec 7, 2020

Isn't there a guy from the Radeon driver testing team or something here in the forums who should be notified and rely the information to AMD?

remixedcat · Dec 7, 2020

srsbsns said:
This one simple trick to fix this issue: Don't install drivers and bundled software on a system for a piece of hardware not installed.

Well if you flip flop a lot like testing and development then tho..

windwhirl · Dec 7, 2020

Octopuss said:
Isn't there a guy from the Radeon driver testing team or something here in the forums who should be notified and rely the information to AMD?

There is one or two AMD guys on the company's subreddit, I think. And I know this article was posted there.

Bitgod · Dec 8, 2020

LOL AMD drivers

vega22 · Dec 8, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
Nope. Do we really need the insults?

Yup. That's just a good rule of thumb.

Exactly!

insult?

as a lazy coder i would say it's an accurate statement

i only learned how to code so i could be lazy and not have to do things repeatedly like

rtwjunkie · Dec 8, 2020

Octopuss said:
Isn't there a guy from the Radeon driver testing team or something here in the forums who should be notified and rely the information to AMD?

I thought in one of these posts in the 10 pages W1zzard said he also submitted it as a bug report to AMD.

TheGoddessInari · Dec 9, 2020

Mussels said:
Are people not getting that this is just reporting a bug?

Like.... it's a PSA not a call to arms.

AMD literally includes a bug reporting tool in their software. That'd be more constructive.

rtwjunkie said:
Yes, if you read the thread: @Mussels did on his server.

No way of knowing if you knew what ATI was, that’s why I asked. Forums get filled with new members who are young and think anything from 5 years ago is ancient history, and know nothing of the past while thinking they have all the answers. So no, not condescending.

Second, the only reason this is a “farce” to you is because you’re obviously acting defensive. It was a clear, in depth investigation into a problem, using coding skills, and published as a bug report and advisory. I’m sorry you live in such a perfect world that no one should ever learn anything from other’s mistakes (W1zzard’s and AMD’s both). There, now THAT was condescending.

My software is open source so other people can find bugs and get them fixed upstream. When GPU-Z has bugs with multi-GPU AMD, they've been left to rot over a year because proprietary, otherwise I'd fix it myself, as I have before with other software.

rtwjunkie · Dec 9, 2020

TheGoddessInari said:
AMD literally includes a bug reporting tool in their software. That'd be more constructive

And if your reading comprehension was passable you would know he submitted a bug report as well. How does that get the word out to people it can help?

It doesn’t, so see yourself out of here will you? Instead of having a modicum of rational thought you have been hyper-polarized on this, as if someone insulted your family.

And tell me why, or tell @W1zzard know why you think you should be allowed access to GPU-z coding? It has the recognition it does because it is not left out there for anyone to mess with. If something was “left to rot” in it for a year, you should have contacted him.

Mussels · Dec 10, 2020

TheGoddessInari said:
AMD literally includes a bug reporting tool in their software. That'd be more constructive.

My software is open source so other people can find bugs and get them fixed upstream. When GPU-Z has bugs with multi-GPU AMD, they've been left to rot over a year because proprietary, otherwise I'd fix it myself, as I have before with other software.

this PSA wasnt about getting it fixed, it was about getting people to see if it was affecting them in the meantime. the power and heat of my server running one core at max over a month or two is not inconsiderable... and the driver application *WOULD NEVER SELF UPDATE WITHOUT THE GPU REINSTALLED* - this could have hit my server for months and months.

R-T-B · Dec 11, 2020

TheGoddessInari said:
AMD literally includes a bug reporting tool in their software. That'd be more constructive.

And help no one but AMD...

mouacyk · Dec 15, 2020

R-T-B said:
And help no one but AMD...

And be ignored when they see that on the report, their hardware isn't detected/present.

Rei · Dec 15, 2020

mouacyk said:
And be ignored when they see that on the report, their hardware isn't detected/present.

Unlikely though. They should be able to respond to any manner of scenario concerning their products including their driver. This behavior should apply to any company really...

mouacyk · Dec 15, 2020

Rei said:
Unlikely though. They should be able to respond to any manner of scenario concerning their products including their driver. This behavior should apply to any company really...

How is that? In any ticketing system, an issue goes through tiers of filters (even automatic filters). The very first one is relevance, and if they don't ignore it, it will go into the least important bucket.

R-T-B · Dec 15, 2020

mouacyk said:
And be ignored when they see that on the report, their hardware isn't detected/present.

mouacyk said:
How is that? In any ticketing system, an issue goes through tiers of filters (even automatic filters). The very first one is relevance, and if they don't ignore it, it will go into the least important bucket.

That would be wholly irresponsible of them.

mouacyk · Dec 15, 2020

R-T-B said:
That would be wholly irresponsible of them.

If you had paid for the software that's malfunctioning, I'd see how they may treat it differently.

R-T-B · Dec 15, 2020

mouacyk said:
If you had paid for the software that's malfunctioning, I'd see how they may treat it differently.

Just because the hardware isn't present at the time of report doesn't mean you don't own it, or use the software.

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PSA: AMD's Graphics Driver will Eat One CPU Core when No Radeon Installed

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