Japan Will Release Radioactive Fukushima Water Into The Ocean, And Why That’s O.K.

[R-T-B]

Tritium is ok, but Fukushima plant has been spilling worse since they first tried to cap it, a good chunk of the pacific ocean is radioactive and Canada turned off our west coast radiation detectors under Harper when they started going off so people aren't told how bad it really is.

It's certainly not good but it's also being monitored by far more than just Canada.

The general advice right now in west coast beach towns is if you see something metal on the beach, "leave it"

So you're saying if i eat 100KG of sugar, i'll get obese - but if we split that up to a thousand people who get 100 grams each, one randomly will just get obese?

Thats now how math works. In my example none of them will get obese, and in the terms of radiation that needs to actually penetrate all barriers and then cells to do damage, it's not a linear curve - the greater the dilution, the far greater reduction in harm it can do.

Indeed. Radiation works along the same principal. It's literally everywhere, but absorbed quantity matters, not just "it's there or not."

Slightly OT, but this is also why we moved from roetgens to rads as a unit of measure.

 

[Space Lynx]

It's the dillution rate here that makes the difference really. Tritium can be dangerous in the right ppm quantity I'm sure.

time to get a tds meter before you drink your water / eat your sushi HEHEHEHEHE

(before people get triggered, its sarcasm...) lol

 

[R-T-B]

time to get a tds meter before you drink your water / eat your sushi HEHEHEHEHE

(before people get triggered, its sarcasm...) lol

I'm just triggered by sushi. No way I'm going near that.

 

[Mussels]

I'm just triggered by sushi. No way I'm going near that.

too similar to eating frogs?

 

[R-T-B]

too similar to eating frogs?

I prefer to chemically alter the flesh of things I eat with extreme heat.
Coincidentally, so does the frog god.
This is the way.

 

[Space Lynx]

I prefer to chemically alter the flesh of things I eat with extreme heat.
Coincidentally, so does the frog god.
This is the way.

See new profile picture.

This is the way.

 

[R-T-B]

Baby yoda would probably taste fine, but I've been more fond of pulled pork lately.

Yes mods, I will stop threatening to cook and eat forum members now. *sighs*

 

[mtcn77]

Beta emissions from Tritium atoms are not positrons.

I bet you know there exists nuclear reactions that produce tritium and positrons. The point being, not because one product is safe, doesn't clear the others.

No, but this is a science forum, not a comic/movie forum, so most of us try to stay on topic.

You missed the irony then.

Radiation works along the same principal. It's literally everywhere, but absorbed quantity matters, not just "it's there or not."

Wait, so there are safe levels of radiation now! Thanks for the update.

 

[R-T-B]

Wait, so there are safe levels of radiation now! Thanks for the update.

You should hope there are, since it's pretty much everywhere, yeah.

 

[mtcn77]

You should hope there are, since it's pretty much everywhere, yeah.

I'm not a lunatic, sorry.

I don't want to entangle guys, you put me into this.

 

[R-T-B]

I'm not a lunatic, sorry.

You also aren't much of a scientist if you think where you are sitting wouldn't register something mrad wise. There's radiation everywhere. Friggin bannas have a relatively high amount of it. Amount is the only thing that matters. You aren't sitting on enough to matter.

Nuclear Essentials - World Nuclear Association

This is a nuclear endorsement site but the science is actually solid.

 

[Mussels]

Wait, so there are safe levels of radiation now! Thanks for the update.

wait, is that sarcasm? i hope thats sarcasm

 

[lexluthermiester]

I bet you know there exists nuclear reactions that produce tritium and positrons

But the Tritium does not emit those positrons. That was the error of your earlier statement and the science point I was trying to help you understand. Meant no offense, just wanted to help you understand that little bit of nuclear science. Tritium emits high energy electron particles. Because of the physics involved, Tritium can never be a source of positron emission. It's not physically possible.

The following can provide some basic info if you are curious.

Tritium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Beta particle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You also aren't much of a scientist if you think where you are sitting wouldn't register something mrad wise.

Lets' be nice. Not everyone is a science buff and that's ok.

 

[mtcn77]

You also aren't much of a scientist if you think where you are sitting wouldn't register something mrad wise. There's radiation everywhere. Friggin bannas have a relatively high amount of it. Amount is the only thing that matters. You aren't sitting on enough to matter.

No, radiation matters because it is dangerous. If you think it is safe, Chernobyl and Fukushima is no different as a residence.
Stupid dosimetry talk doesn't make you bruce banner. You get pretty beat up.

 

[R-T-B]

Lets' be nice. Not everyone is a science buff and that's ok.

I'm trying very hard to be nice, but this is the same guy who told me several times outright he's just here to "troll and astroturf" so...

No, radiation matters because it is dangerous. If you think it is safe, Chernobyl and Fukushima is no different as a residence.

Never eat a banana. It is dangerous, by your logic.

 

[mtcn77]

wait, is that sarcasm? i hope thats sarcasm

No, stochastic effects are not 'no effects' involved. This isn't a void correlation where the confidence interval crosses the midsection(1). You get radiation, you get effects. No questions asked. Whether it be lifethreatening is not making it deemed safe.

I'm trying very hard to be nice, but this is the same guy who told me several times outright he's just here to "troll and astroturf" so...


Never eat a banana.

Trolls do act like they don't care. Not me.

 

[R-T-B]

I gurantee you he's dead serious mussels. This guy has a record that would make excellent /r/confidentlyincorrect material if I wanted to be an ass.

 

[qubit]

No, stochastic effects are not 'no effects' involved. This isn't a void correlation where the confidence interval crosses the midsection(1). You get radiation, you get effects. No questions asked. Whether it be lifethreatening is not making it deemed safe.


Trolls do act like they don't care. Not me.

Seriously, you're still arguing this? So you know better than the scientists who say it's safe? Well, good to know, we'll come to you for such advice in future!

 

[R-T-B]

Whether it be lifethreatening is not making it deemed safe.

Don't eat food. It contains radiation, and is thus unsafe.

 

[mtcn77]

It is dangerous, by your logic.

But you are holding yourself as the arbiter of right and wrong. It is an oversimplification.

 

[R-T-B]

But you are holding yourself as the arbiter of right and wrong. It is an oversimplification.

I'm glad you think so much of me but no.

 

[Mussels]

No, radiation matters because it is dangerous. If you think it is safe, Chernobyl and Fukushima is no different as a residence.
Stupid dosimetry talk doesn't make you bruce banner. You get pretty beat up.

what? no, the dosage matters. Everything is radiactive, EVERYTHING. Sunlight is radiation. wifi is radiation. sound light and heat are all radiation.

It's a blanket word people misunderstand thanks to bad movies and TV shojws.

 

[mtcn77]

Seriously, you're still arguing this? So you know better than the scientists who say it's safe? Well, good to know, we'll come to you for such advice in future!

Don't hold a grudge. Nuclear is not chemical waste. I'm sure I can gain a reception there.

what? no, the dosage matters. Everything is radiactive, EVERYTHING. Sunlight is radiation. wifi is radiation. sound light and heat are all radiation.

It's a blanket word people misunderstand thanks to bad movies and TV shojws.

There are no radiation coming from the sun apart from uvc, uvb and uva. I'm sure we are attune to the term "ionizing radiation".

If you want to talk movies, I don't do popular culture, sorry.

I still don't get it: what qualifications are you counting on?

 

[Mussels]

Don't hold a grudge. Nuclear is not chemical waste. I'm sure I can gain a reception there.


There are no radiation coming from the sun apart from uvc, uvb and uva. I'm sure we are attune to the term "ionizing radiation".

If you want to talk movies, I don't do popular culture, sorry.

I still don't get it: what qualifications are you counting on?

sunlight is radiation. you're looking at a screen right now giving out electromagnetic radiation.
You're mixing and matching terminologies and using them wrong, and thats what's throwing you off.

Most types of radiation are totally harmless to humans, or we'd have died off centuries ago.
Some are dangerous... and as with everythinig what matters there is the dosage. Kinda like how sunlight causes skin cancer, but not every human has died of skin cancer yet? cause... we go to the shade?

 

[dorsetknob]

all this fuss about a little Tritium

Meanwhile have you checked your battery's for your Radon gas dector

Find Information about Local Radon Zones and State Contact Information | US EPA

Find local information related to radon, including your state radon program, with contact information, EPA Regional contacts and a state-specific map.

www.epa.gov

There are no radiation coming from the sun apart from uvc, uvb and uva.

you forgot to mention IR and Gamma and others