Will You Buy An RTX 4090?

[Count von Schwalbe]

make it yourself

Hold on there a moment...

 

[caroline!]

Why not? 2 X 350W = 700W. The 1200W power supply a person would want for that could pull ~1350W from the socket at full load. Setting aside that the system won't be running at full capacity, a 15A household circuit can safely supply a single 1500W load. What am I missing here?

Don't ask me I just laugh at the idea of midgets pedaling under a car.

I'll buy the grandkids something badass for Christmas instead Something that makes lots of noise muhahaha!

A 4090 it is then!!! It's badass, makes tons of noise, cost parents bucks to run it.... Yes!! XD

I was thinking a gun.

can't seem to edit a previous comment and add quotes at the same time by the way

 

[Lei]

Hold on there a moment...

Sometimes I think Jensen pulls his hand out his jacket and gives Elon Musk a gpu with four 4090 dies on one PCB.
The PCB is size of a motherboard and has 1TB memory for AI.

or gives something like this to Walt Disney and ILM for their rendering farms

Also, I suspect WD makes HDDs with 40cm platters for google servers.

Imagine this silicon wafer be entirely one cpu or gpu

if this wafer is 20cm in dimeter and 4090 is 608mm², then we can put 4 trillion transistors on what's Joe is holding.
May be NASA has a processor like this and doesn't let anyone know.
May be Donald took one to Maralago

 

[mb194dc]

We should really be rejecting this trend honestly, no need to buy these monstrous power hungry bricks!

Economy probably going to do that. My guess is this will be the last gen with huge, ultra expensive and power hungry chips for a while.

The market wants value and low power consumption. 40xx and AMD equivalent (if same prices range) will totally commercially flop imo.

Problem nvidia and AMD have is they planned these chips a year ago when GPU market and economy was totally different.

 

[Lei]

Economy probably going to do that. My guess is this will be the last gen with huge, ultra expensive and power hungry chips for a while.

The market wants value and low power consumption. 40xx and AMD equivalent (if same prices range) will totally commercially flop imo.

Problem nvidia and AMD have is they planned these chips a year ago when GPU market and economy was totally different.

They will drop its price when 30-series inventory is sold out.
I bet 4080-16 is below 1000$ next summer.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Sometimes I think Jensen pulls his hand out his jacket and gives Elon Musk a gpu with four 4090 dies on one PCB.
The PCB is size of a motherboard and has 1TB memory for AI.

or gives something like this to Walt Disney and ILM for their rendering farms

Also, I suspect WD makes HDDs with 40cm platters for google servers.

Imagine this silicon wafer be entirely one cpu or gpu

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if this wafer is 20cm in dimeter and 4090 is 608mm², then we can put 4 trillion transistors on what's Joe is holding.
May be NASA has a processor like this and doesn't let anyone know.
May be Donald took one to Maralago

Cerebras Unveils Wafer Scale Engine Two (WSE2): 2.6 Trillion Transistors, 100% Yield

www.anandtech.com

 

[Lei]

@Count von Schwalbe
Awesome,

but tell me where's my mistake, then I will calculate the same thing for this WSE2

rtx3090 uses 400 watts while gaming.
the unit for heat is joule.
Joule is 1 watt per second.
specific heat capacity of water is 4184 J/kg°C
40 liters of water is 40 kg
how many joules to heat 40L of water from room temp (20°C) to 60 => 40x40x4184 = 6694400 joules (or watts per second)
one minute is 60 seconds, one hour is 3600 seconds
6694400 / 3600 / 400 = 4.6

you game 4 hours and 38 minutes and 56 seconds with rtx3090 and you'll have 40 Liters of hot water (60°C) to take shower with

Uhm, I'm just thinking how do they cool down this WSE2 and how many watts it uses.

 

[ARF]

do you think 4070 will be a good card?

regarding the value king hypothesis, so you'd be betting for 4070 to be 500 bucks not 700$ (while being more outside of US market anyway)

Let me rub my crystal ball...

I have no idea, but we have a few certainties;
4070:
- It will draw north of 200W, I'm guessing 250~275W board power.
- 2,5 slot... I think 2 slot won't be a given.
- It will only represent value if RDNA3 is barely competing at that price point, and 550~600 bucks I think is more likely than 500. Even if RDNA3 same perf undercuts it at 500; but if it drops at 450, we will see movement.

So, good card? Not the value king, for sure, but rather the entry level high end which means there's an excuse to make you overpay.

That's why I think the value's going to be at 4060 level cards, which is the common theme with Nv;
- 200~220W board?
- 8~12GB, will we see another 10?
- $349~399.

Should I start my own YT channel?

4070 will be the same chip as 4080-12. So, almost identical cards.

I wasn't expecting it to have 76 billion transistors. Next gen will certainly have more trans than human brain neural cells.
I wonder if that DLSS part can not be used for AI. otherwise we have a full fat digital brain for Machine Learning.

But the human brain doesn't work like a calculator, it has connection with the Universe which sends information to the brain. The brain is more like an antenna and a receiver.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Uhm, I'm just thinking how do they cool down this WSE2 and how many watts it uses

From the article:

peak power about 23 kW

Now there are possibly some other bits to the system taking up the power, but I am pretty sure this is a true System-on-a-Chip. That is some serious heat density.

It says it is internally water-cooled as well.

 

[phill]

Nope, I'm not planning on a 40 series card at all. Not planning on any hardware at all to be honest really... Monitors definitely and maybe some more storage but otherwise, I'm out

Can't afford the electric to run what I have here at the moment, no point buying more I can run

 

[MentalAcetylide]

The question to me is how many will buy an RTX 4090 and under what circumstances. Voters are anonymous.

I voted no. By the time I'm ready or have need to upgrade, the Nvidia RPX(real time physX) 6000 series cards will be out and I'll probably be needing an even larger case with a 2000+ watt PSU.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

I will eventually buy it once a good full coverage water block is released. Plus a waterblock will make it take up about 1/2 the space.

 

[Lei]

From the article:
peak power about 23 kW
Now there are possibly some other bits to the system taking up the power, but I am pretty sure this is a true System-on-a-Chip. That is some serious heat density.

It says it is internally water-cooled as well.

That will make the shower ready in 4 minutes and 51 seconds.
or 3 minutes if 45°C is warm enough.

would it be nice to send this kind of cpus to work under lunar temperatures?
Mars temp is -70°C at night, I think this massive trillion transistor CPU won't throttle.

I will eventually buy it once a good full coverage water block is released. Plus a waterblock will make it take up about 1/2 the space.

Needs sandwich.
This Aorus is 75.1mm. FE is 61mm.
Water Backplate is 13.3mm (Acool Eisblock Aurora) main block 20.5mm (EK classic)
So yeap, half (around 4cm = 13+20+ a bit)

 

[ARF]

nvidia should give up on making graphics cards - every new generation is a new low.
Just make the damn thing under water, you stupid JHH!

 

[erek]

 

[Lei]

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Plz explain wtf is handmade suppose to mean?

 

[outpt]

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From France for free
I like like the “hand made” for a dollar less
Where do I sign up

Plz explain wtf is handmade suppose to mean?

One person and a soldering iron

 

[Lei]

From France for free
I like like the “hand made” for a dollar less
Where do I sign up


One person and a soldering iron

So it's a joke. It means they went to scalp it, but nobody is buying.

 

[wolf]

In short: not in my price and performance range, and never will be.

A very level headed way to say it too, in comparison to the loads of people who have a tonne of negativity to spew for a product they never would have bought anyway

I put "maybe"

I'd love that much performance, but I'm not willing to pay that much for it, and only a very short list of them would even fit in my case. So I wait. I'm not holding my breath for AMD to 'save the day' here, but hopefully some products that compete at similar performance levels will do something to prices, as well as what is seeming to end up as lower than expected demand.

 

[RandallFlagg]

It's too big, it's too power-hungry, it's too expensive. It would have to lose all three of these traits for me to consider it. In short: not in my price and performance range, and never will be.

I feel the same to varying degrees about pretty much everything above a 3070 or 6700 XT.

Really the ideal high-end card to me is the 175W 6700 non-xt. But like, nobody buys that card.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I feel the same to varying degrees about pretty much everything above a 3070 or 6700 XT.

Really the ideal high-end card to me is the 175W 6700 non-xt. But like, nobody buys that card.

In part because it barely exists.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

That will make the shower ready in 4 minutes and 51 seconds.
or 3 minutes if 45°C is warm enough.

would it be nice to send this kind of cpus to work under lunar temperatures?
Mars temp is -70°C at night, I think this massive trillion transistor CPU won't throttle.

Mars and moon have no air to dissipate heat to

Although you could power from a nuclear reactor and not worry about shielding.

 

[AusWolf]

I feel the same to varying degrees about pretty much everything above a 3070 or 6700 XT.

Really the ideal high-end card to me is the 175W 6700 non-xt. But like, nobody buys that card.

Is it even out? I mean, I've read about its reveal, but I've never seen one being sold. Kind of like the Arc A310 or the GeForce GT 1010.

Actually, I'm just thinking about buying a 6750 XT reference model. Originally, I planned on an Arc A770, but this one card is around £120 cheaper than the AIB versions! This is my ideal "high-end" price and performance range too.

A very level headed way to say it too, in comparison to the loads of people who have a tonne of negativity to spew for a product they never would have bought anyway

I put "maybe"

I'd love that much performance, but I'm not willing to pay that much for it, and only a very short list of them would even fit in my case. So I wait. I'm not holding my breath for AMD to 'save the day' here, but hopefully some products that compete at similar performance levels will do something to prices, as well as what is seeming to end up as lower than expected demand.

I wouldn't even love to have that performance because I play at 1080p and I can't tell the difference between a million and a bazillion FPS. I would only have to buy a bigger case and PSU which is kind of the opposite philosophy than what I have towards PCs (I like them small, but powerful enough).

 

[RandallFlagg]

Is it even out? I mean, I've read about its reveal, but I've never seen one being sold. Kind of like the Arc A310 or the GeForce GT 1010.

Actually, I'm just thinking about buying a 6750 XT reference model. Originally, I planned on an Arc A770, but this one card is around £120 cheaper than the AIB versions! This is my ideal "high-end" price and performance range too.

Yep, there are two models on Newegg right now.

A month or so ago 6700 was $369 and the 6700 XT was $430, but it looks like the 6700 has lost that price advantage. The GPU price decline took a breather for the last 3-4 weeks, but the prices appear to be falling again.

The 6700XT at $389 is clearly the deal here, although I think the XFX and the Sapphire 6700's are better quality cards.

TBH, It will take a fair bit of mental gymnastics to justify buying ARC at $350 while these prices are available.

 

[wolf]

I wouldn't even love to have that performance because I play at 1080p and I can't tell the difference between a million and a bazillion FPS. I would only have to buy a bigger case and PSU which is kind of the opposite philosophy than what I have towards PCs (I like them small, but powerful enough).

I only desire it becuase I target 4k120, but honestly I think for the amount it costs I'd rather buy a GPD Win Max 2 w/6800U and get countless hours of fun out of that.

Despite some takes I see online, a heavily undervolted 3080 is an extremely capable 4k card as it is.