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ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

The poorer scaling at 4K is unsurprising; The 4080 has 42% more bandwidth. Not only is the 4070Ti's memory bus cut down to 192-bit, it's using slower VRAM too.

12GB VRAM for $840, is it 2021 again?

I'd say this was a $599 GPU in a market with healthy competition and good supply, but the competition is closer to a featherweight vs a heavyweight whilst Intel sits on the side just shouting abuse into the ring. As for the supply? China's shutting down again because of COVID.
 
Chrispy_ said:
The poorer scaling at 4K is unsurprising; The 4080 has 42% more bandwidth. Not only is the 4070Ti's memory bus cut down to 192-bit, it's using slower VRAM too.
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In addition, the smaller L2 cache has lower hit rates than the caches of the 4080 and 4090. So at 4K, the card has to rely more on the memory bus than the faster cards.
 
N3M3515 said:
Compared to 3070 Ti - 40% increase in performance, for 40% increase in price. WTF?


I have come to the conclusion that:
1. Either he does not include price in his calculations for the conclusion(don't know why), or
2. He thinks price is irrelevant, only performance increase matters(even if the increase in price is higher than the increase in performance).


Couldn't have wrote it better.
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PCWorld has an actual honest review, I know, PC World, but there it is and its brutal, kudos for them, especially since they rely on affiliate links.
 
heflys20 said:
AMD' prices have been creeping up, too, I can't even find any 6800xt' that aren't scalper priced. I might catch one every now and then. Most of em are sold out.
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Yeah I noticed that too, and agree with W1zz, was looking at Scan here in the UK, what remaining high-end RTX 3000 stock are all hot sellers, whilst RX 6000 stock is plentiful and more expensive.


 
Why_Me said:
Given the choice I'll take the $800 gpu over the $2000 gpu seeing how they run dead even. That saves me $1200. What components can I purchase with $1200 to finish my build.
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Yeah, I agree. The 3090ti is now utterly redundant. A dead dodo. But I'll still consider a 3080 as a positive prospect.

I wouldn't consider AMD at all at the moment. Prices need to freefall to be relevant.
 
heflys20 said:
Strange...In some cases, the AMD equivalents are more expensive.
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Indeed, like I said I was surprised, and like it or loath it a RTX 4070 Ti around £800/850 makes every RX 6000 card from the 6800 up dead, especially at those prices.
 
Fluffmeister said:
Yeah I noticed that too, and agree with W1zz, was looking at Scan here in the UK, what remaining high-end RTX 3000 stock are all hot sellers, whilst RX 6000 stock is plentiful and more expensive.


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Plentiful? There's only a handful of models left of each SKU, and some of those are refurbished. The vast majority of options seem to be unavailable. Same story at OcUK. Ebuyer are completely sold out of 6800s, 6800 XTs and 6900 XTs, with three models of 6950 XT left. Not seeing this "plentiful" stock.
 
Aretak said:
Plentiful? There's only a handful of models left of each SKU, and some of those are refurbished. The vast majority of options seem to be unavailable. Same story at OcUK. Ebuyer are completely sold out of 6800s, 6800 XTs and 6900 XTs, with three models of 6950 XT left. Not seeing this "plentiful" amount of stock.
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Well compared to the hot selling competition it is, but hey it was just an observation... don't shoot the messenger.
 
Fluffmeister said:
Indeed, like I said I was surprised, and like it or loath it a RTX 4070 Ti around £800/850 makes every RX 6000 card from the 6800 up dead, especially at those prices.
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This ^^ ... not to mention the fact this card has killed off the mid to high end RTX 30XX cards as well.
 
Looking at the gaming graphics most games only match the RTX 3090, but I was told that the classic performance is equivalent to the 3090 Ti? Dishonest Nvidia.

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If you look carefully, it can match the RTX 3090 Ti at 1440p, but barely match the RTX 3090 at 4K. I guess low bandwidth (192 Bit) 4k also degrades performance. But it was the 3090 Ti equivalent. :laugh:
 
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3080 at its worst, 3090 Ti very rarely at best. This card would have definitely made use of a 256 bit bus and 16GB is a must for this tier. and must be declared as a pure abomination at such a price. Cutting corners like that is unacceptable.
 
Is it exist in Founders Edition version? Quite good, but i don’t think i want change my 3090 for it…
 
N3M3515 said:
Funny how you don't mention the 3080 that was within 90% of the "$1600 gpu" and launched at $700 LOL, so you could get $1600 worth of performance for $700!! TWO years ago!
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That's a fair point, although if I'm not mistaken, you couldn't get a 3080 at MSRP for a while after launch (which is not a certain for 4070Ti either).
And I also consider the 4070Ti price way over what I'd consider paying for a video card. I was just saying, in the grand scheme of things, it has it qualities.
 
Avro Arrow said:
This card is actually a considerably better value than the RX 7900 XT. Now, I realise that this is a VERY low bar we're setting but... there is a silver lining to all of this. A lot of people mindlessly reach for nVidia if the price is the same (which is usually a mistake but whatever), let alone when the price is lower (performance be damned in most cases) and nVidia cards are much worse values than their Radeon counterparts 99.99% of the time.

Well, WELCOME TO THE 0.01% OF THE TIME! And to be honest, I'm finding it to be just GLORIOUS! Not because I want nVidia to do well, quite the contrary actually (I do hate that company after all), but because at $800, AMD will have to drop the price of the RX 7900 XT to $700 if they hope to sell ANY of them going forward. Of course, that will push the price of (what I can only assume will be) the RX 7800 XT down to near the $550 that I expected it to be. I estimated that based on the fact that the MSRP of the RX 7900 XTX is $100 below the MSRP of the RX 6950 XT and the MSRP of the RX 7900 XT is $100 below that of the RX 6900 XT. Using that logic, I expected the RX 7800 XT to be $100 below the MSRP of the RX 6800 XT which would be $550. People have to remember that there was a $350 MSRP increase between the RX 6900 XT and the RX 6800 XT. AMD even said (not in so many words) that the RX 6900 XT wasn't worth buying but people bought it anyway because, at the time, any card you could get was worth it.

So, it looks like the RX 7900 XT will fall to $700 and I expect the rest of the lineup to look like this:
RX 7800 XT - $550
RX 7800 - $500
RX 7700 XT - $450
RX 7700 - $400
RX 7600 XT - $350
RX 7600 - $300
RX 7500 XT - $250
RX 7500 - $200

In this new generation, I expect that they'll be at similar performance levels of the previous generation's higher tier but with far less negative impact from RT being turned on. That's not exactly great but it's not exactly terrible either, especially considering that the previous-gen cards of both red and green are still wickedly fast because hardware has outpaced software dramatically. This will mean that the RX 7500 will have similar performance to the RX 6600 and decent 1080p gaming will be attainable for everyone again. I seriously doubt that AMD will repeat the same debacle that was the RX 6500 XT (I still can't understand why they called it an XT) and if there is a level-5 card, it won't be based on a mobile GPU.

Perhaps most importantly, Radeons will have pricing that will be very reminiscent of the RX 5000-series. Sure, the RX 7700 XT will be $50 more than the RX 5700 XT but it's a big step in the right direction and a 12.5% price increase over what will be a near 4-year span with the pandemic and inflation being involved is far more reasonable than what we've been seeing thus far.
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Well, we can only hope it plays out like that. Because nothing so far is suggesting that either company plans a price war to that effect :-/ I'd be ok with 7600XT/7700 tier if it a) wouldn't arrive in 2024 and b) was priced decently (2018 style decently)
 
N3M3515 said:
Compared to 3070 Ti - 40% increase in performance, for 40% increase in price. WTF?


I have come to the conclusion that:
1. Either he does not include price in his calculations for the conclusion(don't know why), or
2. He thinks price is irrelevant, only performance increase matters(even if the increase in price is higher than the increase in performance).
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Hi,
He as in @W1zzard ?
If so "he" is well aware seeing "he" posted a poll on 4080's worth and had a news story to announce the results to his reading world :cool:
www.techpowerup.com

$700-800 Ideal Price for GeForce RTX 4080: TechPowerUp Poll Surveying 11,000 Respondents

The ideal price for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 "Ada" graphics card is around USD $700 to $800, according to results from a recent TechPowerUp Front-page poll surveying our readers. Our poll "How much would you pay for RTX 4080 at most?" received over 11,000 responses. At the number 1 spot with...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

Honestly I don't know why the thumbs down first item is arranged like it is
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Frankly "Absolutely a big increase in price compared to last generation" or "Big increase in price compared to last generation, Absolutely" either would of read better and made more sense to us USA yanks but then again I'm not a proof reader :fear:

Some put to much emphasis on the editors choice logo at one time I thought there were different color logo's used green good/ red bad but
The conclusion pretty much always expresses all the notes good and bad maybe sometimes "he" should show more drama on the bad :laugh:
 
LuxZg said:
Well, we can only hope it plays out like that. Because nothing so far is suggesting that either company plans a price war to that effect :-/ I'd be ok with 7600XT/7700 tier if it a) wouldn't arrive in 2024 and b) was priced decently (2018 style decently)
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Well, from what I've seen, so far, so good. At the moment, AMD has no choice but to incite a price war for two reasons, one negative and one positive:

Negative Reason - Market Share
Last I checked, nVidia has 88% of the video card market, AMD has about 8.something% and Intel has about 3.something%. If AMD doesn't grab more market share, Radeon might not survive at all.

Positive Reason - Chiplet Design
The chiplet design that ATi came up with means that Radeon GPUs are far less expensive to make than GeForce GPUs. AMD can leverage that to really grab a tonne of market share back while still maintaining very healthy profit levels. This is their chance as long as they don't blow it.

AMD could easily sell Radeons at the prices I stated and still make a craptonne of money doing it. More importantly, it would go a long way to solidify their market position because right now, it's extremely precarious. We know that nVidia is far too arrogant with their pricing and won't always cut their prices to keep pace with AMD. Intel behaved exactly the same way and AMD burned them pretty badly. Intel is FAR larger and richer than nVidia has ever been so if AMD could do it to them, they can do it to nVidia as well. All AMD has to do is make their cards so inexpensive and so available that they become a total no-brainer. Since nVidia makes price cuts at a snail's pace, so AMD could literally claw back up to 20% of the market in a single generation before nVidia reacts.
 
The best review I've found is from Digital Foundry... :rockout: (sarcasm)

Avro Arrow said:
Positive Reason - Chiplet Design
The chiplet design that ATi came up with means that Radeon GPUs are far less expensive to make than GeForce GPUs. AMD can leverage that to really grab a tonne of market share back while still maintaining very healthy profit levels. This is their chance as long as they don't blow it.
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What AMD would've gain financially with chiplets loses on chiplets. Navi31 is cheap to manufacture only if you compare it to AD102 but not against AD103 or AD104. Navi31 requires 7 chips, combined those are more expensive than either AD103 or AD104 and packaging and binning increases the price difference even more because you have to bin seven chips and the new fanout links definitely costs more than the connections on a traditional single GPU card package.
So no, AMD don't want to start a price war with Navi31 against the 4080 or the 4070 Ti for sure.
They wanted to be competitive with Navi31 at the absolute top against Nvidia and it would've worked but instead they have to compete against the smaller chips.
 
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RedelZaVedno said:
4070TI would have been amazing card, IF priced right = between $499 and $649. But at $799 it stands for everything that is wrong with todays dGPU market. GamersNexus is the most balanced no bullshit review of 4070TI I came across. Cudos to Steve.

WTF NVidia? aka NVIDIA's Rip-Off - RTX 4070 Ti
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lmao, I can't stop laughing, Steve at GN has made the funniest fucking video I have ever seen. holy shit
 
the54thvoid said:
Yeah, I agree. The 3090ti is now utterly redundant. A dead dodo. But I'll still consider a 3080 as a positive prospect.

I wouldn't consider AMD at all at the moment. Prices need to freefall to be relevant.
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Around my parts, the cheapest 3080 costs about ~840€, if the 4070TI goes for the announced 900€ (source: Nvidia France), the 3080 seems quite redundant as well...
 
I like how most of the tech media is now saying the same crap that I have been saying for the past 3 to 5 years. LTT in particular seems to agree while this is a great product, the price is unreasonable and Nvidia is slowly pricing out the average gamer. Most people are just going to buy a nice console and call it a day at this point. The trend seems to be accelerating.
 
im struggling to see the clear win given thousands of games are raster based, but them prices, I agree with the price horror, ,, from everyone too, well bar Intel?> o_O:eek::kookoo::D they're doing some cheap new gpu.
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GPU more expensive than 3080: "Big performance jump vs last generation"

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Mind blown.
 
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