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Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

What do you want from AMD to improve, so that makes you buy a Radeon?

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I'm not "parroting". This is just my view. Be it a far-fetched one where everyone is nice and don't care about profit margins, just keeping the customer happy.
Its a pipe dream right now
 

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The people voting for AMD to significantly lower prices don't have a grasp of the reality of the past. AMD used to lower the prices to the point where they barely made a profit per unit. This resulted in losses of hundreds of millions of dollars a year when you factored in overhead and R&D to stay in business at all. They sold their Fab. They even sold their office building and rented it back. They borrowed money that they had no hope of ever paying back. All of this and their market share didn't go up. It actually went down because potential customers were fearful of buying AMD products when it looked like they might go bankrupt.

If you really want healthy competition then stop asking AMD to lower prices and actually buy some AMD products. My desktop is 6 years old but when I do a new build I'm going to look at AMD to see what they have. Meanwhile both of my laptops are AMD.
 

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Decrease prices and bring in people that know how to write drivers and write a better driver
 
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The people voting for AMD to significantly lower prices don't have a grasp of the reality of the past. AMD used to lower the prices to the point where they barely made a profit per unit. This resulted in losses of hundreds of millions of dollars a year when you factored in overhead and R&D to stay in business at all. They sold their Fab. They even sold their office building and rented it back. They borrowed money that they had no hope of ever paying back. All of this and their market share didn't go up. It actually went down because potential customers were fearful of buying AMD products when it looked like they might go bankrupt.

If you really want healthy competition then stop asking AMD to lower prices and actually buy some AMD products. My desktop is 6 years old but when I do a new build I'm going to look at AMD to see what they have. Meanwhile both of my laptops are AMD.

I don't think they should lower prices drastically across the board, but I think the 7900XT, although a fantastic card I am happy I purchased, is overpriced by about $100 and that price adjustment would definitely help them with marketshare, which I think would be a good thing. Sure, selling fewer cards at a higher margin is better on paper, but with the gamer hivemind being the way it is if the GPU marketshare would be 50/50 not 90/10 people would be more willing to pay a premium for AMD GPUs and heck, even buy them in the first place.

Decrease prices and bring in people that know how to write drivers and write a better driver
I find the drivers fine, honestly. No issues.
 

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I'm not "parroting". This is just my view. Be it a far-fetched one where everyone is nice and don't care about profit margins, just keeping the customer happy.
And yet on this very forum although perhaps not the very user you quoted, there were calls to recall all 4090's over the power connector that turned out to be... user error. Granted it could have been ebtter designed to avoid user error, but it's user error nonetheless. A faulty stock cooler configuration sure isn't, AMD just need to figure this one out and fast, they need the least amount of negative press possible and this situation as well as other 7900 launch 'bugs' are troubling.
 

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I find the drivers fine, honestly. No issues.

You find them that they just work - that's not enough - they have to expose the hidden performance.

OR

AMD to find a way to expose nvidia's scam and cheating for higher FPS. You see - nvidia is working to officially admit that it has always cheated.
NVIDIA Might Incorporate More AI-Optimizations In Its Graphics Drivers For RTX GPUs (wccftech.com)

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And yet on this very forum although perhaps not the very user you quoted, there were calls to recall all 4090's over the power connector that turned out to be... user error. Granted it could have been ebtter designed to avoid user error, but it's user error nonetheless. A faulty stock cooler configuration sure isn't, AMD just need to figure this one out and fast, they need the least amount of negative press possible and this situation as well as other 7900 launch 'bugs' are troubling.
Shitty design that lives on the edge of tolerances is not user error, its a shitty design and it was outlined meticulously, as were the tremendous differences with pci 8/6 pin tolerances and their practical fail rate (arguably zero). The bottom line is Nvidia was trying to save a few bucks and/or failed to double check whatever some OEM built for them. Even today you don't want to pair their crappy adapter with their own GPU. We have actual topics right now where people require active avoidance of that situation to feel safe. And rightly so. There's a heavy spiderweb of cabling hanging off a flimsy connector. Common sense that in fact is not common - you're being an advocate of the latter right now, well done.

Don't sugar coat this nonsense. AMD isn't recalling all of its 7900s as much Nvidia isn't asking for all of its 4090's. Its more of the same, both are design/batch related mistakes that can happen in the launch of a product, but are still crap regardless. The fact some idiots want to recall everything in a forum post is proof of what exactly? Your narrative? What stings the most though is these things happen while perf/$ is soaring to new heights. Whatever the oversight is, even minor, its a token of lazy companies looking to maximize profit off your back. That's yours, too.

The actual narrative simply is for both buyers of a green or a red top end GPU at a hefty premium that they're at risk of having to go through extra steps to get it working as it should. Both camps mega-failed on this launch, and both did so in multiple ways, ironically, one each of 'marketing' and 'overall quality control'.

Dick measurements over who failed harder... mmmyeah. Pointless and sad as they've always been, and in neither case to your or any customers' advantage here.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...
 
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Im hoping AMD failed harder so I can pick up bad cooler 7900xtx's at discount. :p
 
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Shitty design that lives on the edge of tolerances is not user error, its a shitty design and it was outlined meticulously, as were the tremendous differences with pci 8/6 pin tolerances and their practical fail rate (arguably zero).
That's just not true. People have burned up 6pins, 8pins, EPS pins, practically everything. It has nothing to do with tolerances. You don't plug the cable in, it's gonna melt. Simple as that
 
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That's just not true. People have burned up 6pins, 8pins, EPS pins, practically everything. It has nothing to do with tolerances. You don't plug the cable in, it's gonna melt. Simple as that
The connector of a pcie cable is much stronger. Its clear you plugged it in, and no amount of cable weight or flex will unplug it.

Additionally, the way the connection of separate wires is brought together is different within a pcie cable.
And on top of that, the tolerances per wire are much higher than the power devices ask of it within spec.

None of this is new info either.
 
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The connector of a pcie cable is much stronger. Its clear you plugged it in, and no amount of cable weight or flex will unplug it.

Additionally, the way the connection of separate wires is brought together is different within a pcie cable.
And on top of that, the tolerances per wire are much higher than the power devices ask of it within spec.

None of this is new info either.
And yet people still managed to burn them, just like the 16pins. So, couldn't I use the exact same argument, saying that the pcie6 or 8pins lived on the edge of tolerance, purely going by the results (people burning them) ?

No amount of flex or cable weight will unmount the 16pin either btw, assuming you plugged it in properly in the first place. In fact, it's insanely HARD to unplug it, to the point of being on the brink of damaging your card to do so.
 
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There are many reasons to buy NVIDIA over AMD but the one why I'm "forced" to buy NVIDIA is literally absurd.

In AMD's driver, there is a setting "Custom Color" that turns on sRGB emulation for your monitor when enabled. For me, an absolute must on a wide-gamut monitor to tame oversaturated colors. NVIDIA doesn't have such a setting at all. A win for AMD? On the contrary.

There are 2 third-party tools on github that support driver-level sRGB gamut clamp: novideo_srgb for NVIDIA and AMDColorTweaks for guess who. Both support loading data from an ICC profile, a more accurate solution, casting AMD's driver setting into an irrelevance zone for those with a colorimeter. That would be a tie, right? Not yet. novideo_srgb for NVIDIA has an sRGB gamma correction as a bonus! This is a great benefit for just any monitor, especially for the clarity of dark scenes, but mine is a special case with gamma precision being its weakest point. I could possibly hope for this feature to be added to AMDColorTweaks in the future, but so far it has other basic issues like the emulation no longer applied after a PC restart... The bigger the market share, the better support for the product by external parties.
 
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Produce a 250W flagship card maybe?

Power usage has become insane , resulting in 4 slot cooling solutions and melting connectors (ok , not an AMD issue).
I am not buying into that.
 
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Well, tiger direct is/was pretty sleazy.
Oh man, tell me about it! I didn't shed a tear when they closed their doors because after I left, I think that the only thing I bought from them was an FX-8350 and a gigantic Ultra U12-40670 case.



wdym it was exactly trading blows w/ the 3090; basically all reviews had at least one title that outperformed the 3090 generally, and a lot outperformed the 3090 @1080p
Hey, you're preaching to the choir here. I completely agree with you. I was just explaining his thought process because he explained it to me.

When you start comparing prices, that by itself proves that amd cant compete. The prices can drop the 7900xtx on the other hand can't get faster. Nvidia dictates amds prices cause they do in fact have a better product. It has nothing to do with marketing
You think so? You think that people being creatures of habit and just buying what they know has nothing to do with it? Well, it's clear that you haven't been around long because I've used strictly Radeons since 2008 and here I am still using them and being perfectly happy with them. I did use nVidia before but I couldn't justify the price difference between the GTX 260 and HD 4870 so I bought the 4870 and have never looked back.

For the average consumer though, they know as much about the difference between GeForce and Radeon as they so about GE and Whirlpool. If one brand served them well, they stick with it. That's how people are, no matter how much you want it to be untrue.
 
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That thing about RT. We are in 2023 and most AAA games will have or even require RT acceleration. You can't say you don't care about RT. Atomic Heart, The Witcher, Alan Wake 2, Control 2, Cyberpunk 2, whatever with Unreal Engine 5 etc. will require strong RT performance.
Don't you care for these titles? Only for simply developed competitive MP fps?

AMD cannot charge that amount of money when their cards do not perform in RT. I don't care if they spit 2000fps in 1080p in COD or any other simple game. These games are playable anyway with ancient cards as well, like mine and worse.
I care how they perform where it matters. At 1440p/4K+RT.

By the way, the 7900XTX RT performance is very good. Not just acceptable.
Only in specific nVidia titles, like Portal RTX, it performs poorly.
AMD just had to price it at 799 or 849 max and kill the entire nvidia lineup.
The price should be mostly defined by the RT performance. The raster one is so excessive that it doesn't matter anymore. No matter what card from 3060Ti and above you have, the raster performance is ridiculously high.

I wrote it again. AMD should work with Epic on Unreal Engine 5's software/hardware ray tracing, so their cards perform on RTX level and better. Most next gen titles are being developed using UE5.
Agreed, but the only game using UE5.1 is Fortnite and Radeons are kicking the crap out of GeForces in that game. Go figure, eh? :laugh:
AMD has already a small advantage by accelerating the consoles but both of them are painfully slow on RT and the developers will cut features from their games.
The pc ports could take the most of the RDNA3 architecture if AMD work together with Epic.
Or nVidia will pay to make use of their tech and screw AMD once again.
Well, don't get me wrong, I think that ATi's management is a bunch of monkeys and clowns. There's no question that they make some REALLY stupid decisions and shoot themselves in the foot with them over and over again. I'm honestly surprised that Lisa Su doesn't analyse whatever's wrong and fix it like she did with the CPU side.
I have various issues with AMD cards:
But none with nVidia cards, eh? :rolleyes: (I couldn't resist!)
5700XT temps
I never had that problem, I had a power delivery problem that was fixed with an RMA to XFX. What was yours doing?
RX470 bios
Never had an RX 470-590 so I can't comment on that. Polaris was way too expensive because of the mining boom but newegg had some cheap R9 Furies so I grabbed one of those (and then a second one).
R9 Nano spikes
I ran twin R9 Furies in crossfire without issue. What do you mean when you say "spike"?
7970Ghz Crossfire gpu usage
I used to run twin HD 7970s in crossfire and loved it. What were yours doing?
6950/70 stability after core unlocking
I didn't have either of those but if you're unlocking the core, you're screwing with the card and it's at your own risk. I only care if the card works normally. Any problems that arise from me screwing with it are MY problems, not the card's.
4850 none
Yeah, I had none with my 4870 either.
X1950Pro, 9600XT...don't remember) but never with their drivers.
I was actually using nVidia cards at that time.
The DIY pc gamers need a strong nVidia competitor. But AMD and consoles are ...some years behind nVidia.
That's impossible since the RX 7900 XTX mops the floor with EVERY RTX 30-series card. As for RT, well of course they're behind. RT was brought to market by nVidia with the RTX 20-series so they have several more years of development. The fact that people literally throw money at nVidia but expect AMD to catch them isn't just unreasonable, it's insane. I honestly don't care if AMD ever catches nVidia in RT because people just keep moving the goal posts. The RTX 3090 was "fantastic" at RT but the RX 7900 XTX "sucks" even though their performance is similar in most titles. All I want is for AMD to be "good enough" to use and if the RTX 30-series was considered "good enough" to use (and let's be honest, it was its biggest selling point) then nobody should be complaining. People will whine about anything these days, I swear.
Radeon department will not exist if they lose selling tech to the consoles and being 1 gen behind on the pcs for a 3-4 gens.
They've only been behind in RT because their normal gaming performance has been just fine, especially in the RX 6000-series. I was truly shocked to see what they came up with after dicking around with RDNA1. See, I don't evaluate a company based on their halo product. I evaluate them on whether or not they make something that is good FOR ME. If they do, great. If they don't, then they suck, but only for me. I don't look at the RTX 4090 and just decide that EVERY GeForce GPU is better than EVERY Radeon GPU because half of the battle is the implementation. I like AMD's implementation of Radeon better than nVidia's implementation of GeForce. Sure, they make a lot of hairbrained moves, but they're not vindictive or malicious like nVidia and Intel tend to be.
 
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Well it looks like the narrative is not working for Nvidia. I just went to pickup some coolant and tech had to get the key to access it from the cabinet. While I was waiting I was looking at the GPU section. There were exactly 2 GPUs available....for AMD. The 7900XT for $1249 and the 6500XT for $259. Meanwhile there were 3060s for the lowest $519, 4080s for 1900 and 4070TIs for 1600+, I even saw a 4090 for $2500. The thing is I counted at least 25 cards and every brand including Zotac was available from Nvidia. It would seem that contrary to the narrative that Nvidia are pricing themselves out of the Market. Even Intel cards were plentiful as well but that is understandable. The Arc 770 is $389 for 16GB or DDR6. I am going to go back on Thursday to see if that situation changed. Once again when I went to check out there were 6750XTs and 6600s waiting for Customer pickup and one lonely 3060.
 
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its all because they stopped supporting AMD™ Crossfire™ technology.
if it was still used and the games supported it they would have doubled there profits.
2x AMD™ Radeon RX7900xt's compare to a Nvidia™ RTX 4090?

but mostly its gotta be the ridiculous prices
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its all because they stopped supporting AMD™ Crossfire™ technology.
if it was still used and the games supported it they would have doubled there profits.
2x AMD™ Radeon RX7900xt's compare to a Nvidia™ RTX 4090?

but mostly its gotta be the ridiculous prices
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you mean keep it for DX11/Dx10/Dx9?
Last cards that use crossfire with DX12 mGPU support with crossfire was the suppose to be the Vega, but they some how messed that up later on, they onlyin work in DX12 in mGPU. the RX 400 & RX 500 series do that.
from what I know all RDNA2 support multiple card in mGPU configurations on DX12, even all AMD AM4/AM5 motherboards mention support for AMD multi-card setup still.
 

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you mean keep it for DX11/Dx10/Dx9?
Last cards that use crossfire with DX12 mGPU support with crossfire was the suppose to be the Vega, but they some how messed that up later on, they onlyin work in DX12 in mGPU. the RX 400 & RX 500 series do that.
from what I know all RDNA2 support multiple card in mGPU configurations on DX12, even all AMD AM4/AM5 motherboards mention support for AMD multi-card setup still.
They still mention Crossfire
 
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They still mention Crossfire
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where does it say Crossfire in there?

So far I only know that Asrock & Gigabyte mention crossfire.
Asus doesn't say anything other using more than one grahics card, but it neglics to say how.
 
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AMD still produces crossfire profiles for DX11 but relies on mGPU/game devs for DX12
 
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For the average consumer though, they know as much about the difference between GeForce and Radeon as they so about GE and Whirlpool. If one brand served them well, they stick with it. That's how people are, no matter how much you want it to be untrue.
Then please explain how is AMD outselling intel in the CPU space.....
 
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I guess that people buying computers tend to seek advice about PC components.
When it is clear that one part is better performance/price , than that part will have a bigger marketshare.
 
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And yet people still managed to burn them, just like the 16pins. So, couldn't I use the exact same argument, saying that the pcie6 or 8pins lived on the edge of tolerance, purely going by the results (people burning them) ?

No amount of flex or cable weight will unmount the 16pin either btw, assuming you plugged it in properly in the first place. In fact, it's insanely HARD to unplug it, to the point of being on the brink of damaging your card to do so.
OK. So that is why people prefer avoiding the adapter. I didn't make it up. Others did. Apparently you know better, and would allow that fire hazard in the house. Good on you.
 
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