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Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

Beginner Micro Device said:
None of that is remotely gonna happen. This is a purely gaming PC with two SATA SSDs (no m.2 hardware whatsoever) and no plans on additional hardware. The current motherboard has died so the client is seeking for a replacement. I just wanna make sure it won't blow up, that's all I am asked to care for. It has to fit: a CPU (5800X), RAM (2 one-rank sticks of 3200 MHz), a GPU (RTX 2060 Super), two SATA drives, a keyboard, a mouse, and a USB headset. The owner is only planning on GPU upgrades but doesn't have money for now.

What about MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX? I more than dig its price and it looks overqualified.
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You could get that if indeed the hardware is there. I did do a build using that board and it was fine.
 
Count von Schwalbe said:
The PG4 was fine for stock 5600x + XMP 3200, but ymmv. I wouldn't pay over $80 for it.

Maybe a B450 or A520 lower-end Aorus would be better for you. I seem to see those cheap-ish around here.
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5600X is a 76W part. Power limit literally does not go lower than that.

5800X when dialed in for a reasonable blend of performance and efficiency is still somewhere between a regular 65W TDP part (88W) and 105 TDP part (142W). The only real reliable options amongst what you've mentioned are ITX boards, and that's still a maybe (e.g. A520I AC). Lower end VRMs are actual garbage and will be a problem for parts beyond 65W TDP.
 
I have been working on overclocking my memory but I don't have a lot of experience doing so. I could not get 6400mhz stable but 6200mhz with reletively tight subtimings is working well.

If I am running 6200mhz memory, is it better to run fclk at 2067 or as high as fclk as as high of fclk as stable? So far upto 2133 is seemingly stable.

I have been trying out different DDR5 nitro settings. I have read that higher DDR5 nitro settings assist with stability at higher bandwidth settings while lower can improve latency.

Highest nitro settings favoring bandwidth
Ntro RX Data = 2
Nitro RX Data = 3
Nitro Control Line = 1

3 run average
Timespy 14341
SuperPi 0.3917

These settings appear to be as low as I can go.
Ntro RX Data = 1
Nitro RX Data = 2
Nitro Control Line = 0

3 run average
Timespy 14341
SuperPi 0.388


Results seem inconclusive. Timespy is 0.10% better on the latency favoring settings. SuperPi is 1% better on the bandwidth favoring settings.
 
Ok I know this is a bit off topic, but I was at "work" yesterday came across this and had to take a picture.
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What's the normal expected UCLK these days? After doing windows setup I came back to BIOS to enable XMP. It posted at 6400 but half UCLK initially, so I changed UCLK=MCLK out of curiosity. It continued to post and now I'm just contuing to setup my stuff.

HWInfo showing 3200 UCLK, it started at auto 1.3V SOC but i progressively brought it down and now at 1.2V without any issues seemingly

Was kinda leery of picking the 6400/32 Ripjaws just to guarantee A-die over the M-die 6000/30 kit because bz made it sound like 6200 was kinda a wall for most ppl. Relieved to see that I don't have to dedicate much time to making it work

AusWolf said:
The only noticeable difference I'd expect is some power saved on your gaming GPU when idle (assuming that it's connected to a high-resolution and/or high refresh rate display). The iGPU consumes peanuts in power, which I doubt you can see in any monitoring program, and since the 7800X3D never comes close to its power limit with or without iGPU use, no performance is wasted there, either.
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I think I owe 610M in the CPU an apology for making fun of it all the time. It handles 2D 144Hz just fine, works seamlessly with the 4070 Ti for multi monitor, and allows the GPU to do this:

radeon igpu and 4070 ti together.png
 
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Anyone used PTM7950 on 7000 series CPU ? Because of the weird IHS shape I am not sure what to do, should I cut the pad to fit just the center portion or to fit all those little corners as well ? I know this is meant to become more liquid as it heats up I wonder if it will start to leak away between those gaps. I guess I could just try to cut away where those gaps are after I apply it but I wonder if it's even necessary.
 
Vya Domus said:
Anyone used PTM7950 on 7000 series CPU ? Because of the weird IHS shape I am not sure what to do, should I cut the pad to fit just the center portion or to fit all those little corners as well ? I know this is meant to become more liquid as it heats up I wonder if it will start to leak away between those gaps. I guess I could just try to cut away where those gaps are after I apply it but I wonder if it's even necessary.
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Considering how garbage the IHS is as a whole, I don't think the tiny spider legs make any real difference if they have paste or not. Save yourself a bit of PTM.
 
tabascosauz said:
Considering how garbage the IHS is as a whole, I don't think the tiny spider legs make any real difference if they have paste or not. Save yourself a bit of PTM.
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It doesn't really save me anything I was mainly wondering if it will melt into those gaps but I am guessing it wont really matter.
 
Vya Domus said:
It doesn't really save me anything I was mainly wondering if it will melt into those gaps but I am guessing it wont really matter.
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As long as it's not electrically conductive, it should be fine, imo. Regular thermal paste spreads out into those gaps as well.
 
Just thinking of getting an ATX board. Any opinions of this MSI board?

www.msi.com

MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS AMD AM4 DDR4 M.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX Gaming Motherboard

Powered by AMD Ryzen AM4 processors, the MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS offers perfect balance between appearance and performance with Wi-Fi, Extended Heatsink Design, Core boost, Pre-installed I/O Shielding and Mystic Light. Equipped with a PCI-e 4.0 slot as w
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My 7800x3d gets max temp 72°, i used STRESS in CPU-Z... how do i fully bench my PC ?

I have a 4070ti, 2x16 6000-C32 (no XPM so @4800), a 1440p 240hz OLED.
 
Klemc said:
My 7800x3d gets max temp 72°, i used STRESS in CPU-Z... how do i fully bench my PC ?

I have a 4070ti, 2x16 6000-C32 (no XPM so @4800), a 1440p 240hz OLED.
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Cinebench 2024, Geekbench 6, Time Spy (DX12) & Fire Strike (DX11) are some good benches to start with. You can get the two 3DMark benches from Steam for free.
 
68Olds said:
Cinebench 2024, Geekbench 6, Time Spy (DX12) & Fire Strike (DX11) are some good benches to start with. You can get the two 3DMark benches from Steam for free.
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Oh by bench i meant tools to get the CPU hot (& fast) to look at temps, like the stress in cpu-z, but 72° max is not possible, the CPU can go to 8° !!
 
Klemc said:
Oh by bench i meant tools to get the CPU hot (& fast) to look at temps, like the stress in cpu-z, but 72° max is not possible, the CPU can go to 8° !!
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If you loop Cinebench it will get your CPU heated up. ;)
 
I like Linpack Xtreme, I select the 10GB load. The higher the GFlops the better.
 
lexluthermiester said:
I've been playing with my 1600X lately trying to figure out it's max all-core OC. I've been able to settle on 1.35v, 103mhzBCLK and 4017mhz. Max temp of 78C(under Prime95 SmallFFT load). Not too shabby!
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With Zen/Zen+, what in your opinion is a "safe" voltage?

I have a 1600AF and a 2600 in 2 PCs and always having locked Intel parts I'm not familiar with the limits of overclocking WRT having voltage too high, as all I could do with the Intel parts was undervolt to use less power. I see people using around 1.35v on their Zen CPUs as you are here, and I have no interest in pushing this to the max, just a safe voltage limit I can set to then find the max stable MHz each CPU can do at that voltage. Is 1.35v recommended?
 
Lew Zealand said:
With Zen/Zen+, what in your opinion is a "safe" voltage?

I have a 1600AF and a 2600 in 2 PCs and always having locked Intel parts I'm not familiar with the limits of overclocking WRT having voltage too high, as all I could do with the Intel parts was undervolt to use less power. I see people using around 1.35v on their Zen CPUs as you are here, and I have no interest in pushing this to the max, just a safe voltage limit I can set to then find the max stable MHz each CPU can do at that voltage. Is 1.35v recommended?
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If you have no interest in pushing the limits at stock Zen+ pretty much takes care of itself. Is there a reason you don't want to run it at stock and override the voltage? Just curious as it seems unclear to me based on what you wrote.

I think you have to refine your question to "What is the safe voltage for all core workloads with my CPU"? In order to boost Ryzen sends the voltage high to hit the high clock on single core workloads but as you load the cores it needs to drop the voltage as too much current at high core utilization will degrade or kill the chip. So the safe voltage is the voltage your chip uses in the most stressful all core workload.
I would look at Ryzen Masters' peak voltage reading when under all core workload to get an idea of the max voltage. Not all full core workloads are equal so you have to pick a good test or test(s) to get an accurate reading that drives the voltage down the most in an all core workload. Personally I'd just let the CPU manage the voltage as needed.
 
A Computer Guy said:
If you have no interest in pushing the limits at stock Zen+ pretty much takes care of itself. Is there a reason you don't want to run it at stock and override the voltage? Just curious as it seems unclear to me based on what you wrote.

I think you have to refine your question to "What is the safe voltage for all core workloads with my CPU"? In order to boost Ryzen sends the voltage high to hit the high clock on single core workloads but as you load the cores it needs to drop the voltage as too much current at high core utilization will degrade or kill the chip. So the safe voltage is the voltage your chip uses in the most stressful all core workload.
I would look at Ryzen Masters' peak voltage reading when under all core workload to get an idea of the max voltage. Not all full core workloads are equal so you have to pick a good test or test(s) to get an accurate reading that drives the voltage down the most in an all core workload. Personally I'd just let the CPU manage the voltage as needed.
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Thanks, that's helpful for refining the question for me.

The 1600AF is a set it and forget it machine so I'll probably just leave it but for the 2600, it's an experiment machine. I would like to have a bit of fun overclocking it and yes, I'd like to use it for all core workloads. But I have no interest in using unsafe voltages that'll cause it to fail in 2 years or something. I'm looking for a generally-regarded-as-safe voltage.

Currently I have it at 3.9 GHz and 1.2675v (the last 2 digits might be wrong) and this is directly based on what I observe in Ryzen Master, but I see 1.35v around a lot and was wondering if that voltage is only for quick overclocks "just to see what this chip can do" or whether it's safe for longer-term usage.

I've done overclocking in the distant past (on Mac upgrades and Apple IIgs, lol) and experimented a bit with an R3 1200 (up to 3.9 GHz) a couple years ago but don't have a "feel" for what's safe for voltage in Ryzen and I remember people being very careful with their Zen 2 CPUs wrt voltage.
 
Super XP said:
ASUS ROG 570X-E works great with the 5800X. My exact setup.
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Thanks but this question was asked two forevers ago and I already forgot what I bought but I do remember having 2+ times less budget than this.
 
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