Should i upgrade my cpu (rtx 4070) ?

[gasolin]

As many know i now own a rtx 4070, use to have something like a rx 6700 xt and a rtx 3060

Playing project cars 2 2560x 1440 and on my 1920x1080 monitor im having a couple of twitch stream running (only watching one)

cpu usage was around 40% and 45c, gpu usage how ever was only 70% peaking at 88% it was most of the time 70-80% not close to 100% only 171 fps

Here a ryzen 5600 is okay compared to a 5800x3d

Here a ryzen 7800x3d and a rtx 4080

Im gonna try pb to see if it makes a difference

Should i upgrade my cpu and to what ?

X3d cpus don't impress me, ryzen 7600(x) does how ever perform as good or in some cases better than a ryzen 5700x3d,5800x3d

Then theres an i5 12600k (not to expensive) but need a new mb, ram can be reused

Ryzen 7000 i also need new ram

 

[Why_Me]

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[oxrufiioxo]

5700X3D if much cheaper than the 5800X3D in your country hands down is the best option

 

[Macro Device]

I'd rather use virtual super resolution and other driver tweaks to get even better visuals instead. Don't see why 170 FPS is an issue in such a video game. Wait for 9000X3D series and then go for it, don't see how sidegrading will be feasible (unless you really wanna spend your money and get like 20 percent boost; I don't love it, why not 50+ % instead).

 

[Deleted member 229121]

You honestly could just sit where you are for now, but if you want to upgrade:

5800X3D is a significant jump in gaming performance, as well as a holistic upgrade from a 5600.
The big caveat is it's the end of the line for AM4 vs a newer socket with an upgrade path.

Really depends how long you want to keep the current set of guts you have in service (and/or what you want to spend).

Keep in mind the 4090 is also the ceiling for the 5800X3D.
Whichever card you get down the road that matches or gets close to it will be the last hurrah.

 

[tussinman]

I'd rather use virtual super resolution and other driver tweaks to get even better visuals instead. Don't see why 170 FPS is an issue in such a video game. Wait for 9000X3D series and then go for it, don't see how sidegrading will be feasible (unless you really wanna spend your money and get like 20 percent boost; I don't love it, why not 50+ % instead).

Agreed. 4070 is only on par with a 3080 so a 5600 shouldn't be really an issue in most real-world scenarios. Most benchmarks that show a major difference between it and a higher tier AM4 CPU (on a 4070 level GPU and below) is going to be stuff like esports games at 300+ FPS or modern games on medium/low settings (aka not realistic scenarios for 99% of people)

 

[gasolin]

I was playing imola in project cars 2 and for some reason gpu usage was 70-80 % ish peaking at 88%

Later played a different track with a cpu usage of 99%, im 99% shure it was le mans since i wanted to refresh the track and le mans car since we are super close to the real le mans

If in that situation i had close to 99-98% gpu usage i might also had more fps = i could also raise graphics just a little

I don't think i will get money to buy a much faster gpu than a rtx 4070 (above rx 7900 gre and 4070 ti super), so im not worried about only having a ryzen 5000 or intel 12 gen that has to be combined with something alot faster than a asus rtx 4070 dual evo

Gonna do some more testing with my stock ryzen 5 5600

Update can confirm racing at imola gpu usage is all over the place 70% to shortly peaks in the mid 90's but mostly in 80's

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

TBH, I dont see the problem, cpu/gpu usage is not maxing out., You're not bottlenecking and FPS is pretty high. You have a decent system now.

AM5 socket is going to the next longevity socket with a new cpu line and a slew of new video cards coming from both Nvidia and AMD, why not wait and see whats being offered, only 6 months down the road. Even if you wait for a 5000 nvidia card, it will work fine with your current system.

Unless you "have to have it now".

 

[GerKNG]

i would highly recommend to check for some good deals on either a 5700X3D or 5800X3D.
i ran mine with a 4090 at 4K and later 1440p and it was almost always maxing out the GPU.

 

[gasolin]

Gpu usage in monza was also a little low (still no pb)

Project Cars 2 RTX 3070 & 9700K the cpu,gpu combination is better since gpu usage is as i would expect

In this video there is without a doubt a difference betweeen a ryzen 5600x (i have a non x) and a 5700x3d
in some cases 20% gpu usage or 50 fps in 0.1% and 1% low in apex legends in 1440p

Here in rust the difference is huge, im not shure if % or fps it would be close to the same with my rtx 4070 like 50-60% difference in fps

If the difference sometimes would be that big i can see that a cpu upgrde would make sense prior to all the other times i have bought a faster cpu, where max gpu performance was a rx 6700 xt (between a rtx 4060 and 4060 ti)

i would highly recommend to check for some good deals on either a 5700X3D or 5800X3D.
i ran mine with a 4090 at 4K and later 1440p and it was almost always maxing out the GPU.

What cpu ?

 

[GerKNG]

Gpu usage in monza was also a little low (still no pb)

Project Cars 2 RTX 3070 & 9700K the cpu,gpu combination is better since gpu usage is as i would expect

In this video there is without a doubt a difference betweeen a ryzen 5600x (i have a non x) and a 5700x3d
in some cases 20% gpu usage or 50 fps in 0.1% and 1% low in apex legends in 1440p

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Here in rust the difference is huge, im not shure if % or fps it would be close to the same with my rtx 4070 like 50-60% difference in fps

If the difference sometimes would be that big i can see that a cpu upgrde would make sense prior to all the other times i have bought a faster cpu, where max gpu performance was a rx 6700 xt (between a rtx 4060 and 4060 ti)

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What cpu ?

5800x3D with dual Rank 3600

 

[Sunny and 75]

X3d cpus don't impress me, ryzen 7600(x) does how ever perform as good or in some cases better than a ryzen 5700x3d,5800x3d

The 5800X3D performs faster than the 12900K and the 5700X3D is just as fast so it is about as impressive as it gets, given your AM4 platform.

Then theres an i5 12600k (not to expensive) but need a new mb

If I were to get a new MB, I'll be getting something like Z890 or B860 to pair with an Arrow Lake processor, when they arrive in Q4.

Of course, I would compare the Arrow Lake processors with the ZEN5 lineup first before making the purchase.

Should i upgrade my cpu and to what ?

You're the one with the answer to that!

Are you happy with the performance/experience that you're getting from the 5600?

If yes, then you're all set and good to go.

If not, then the 5800X3D or the 5700X3D are the best options you can take RN. Get the one that fits your budget.

 

[P4-630]

gpu usage how ever was only 70% peaking at 88% it was most of the time 70-80% not close to 100%

I had that with my i7 6700K before, CPU bottleneck for sure.
Once you get a better 8 core(+) CPU you should see higher GPU usage, better fps.

When I got my i7 12700K, no more bottlenecking.

 

[gasolin]

Is he right ?

 

[Princess Garnet]

If you're focusing on utilization then you're focusing on the wrong things in my mind. Once you have 10% GPU utilization, then you realize you're wasting your CPU. And you'll never have perfect harmony because not all workloads are identical. Chasing the mythical "no bottleneck" status is a pointless task.

In other words, stop worrying about utilization (especially when you're so close to 100% anyway) and worry on performance. Is performance good enough? If yes, then there's no problems.

Will a CPU faster than a 5600 give you more performance? Yes. Bit of a 'water is wet" thing. Is the 5600 too slow for something like a RTX 4070? Not in my mind, but that's up to the one using it.

The 7600 shouldn't even be on your mind. If you're on AM4, that's a single generation uplift that requires a complete platform change to do. It's the worst change you can make. Especially when a 5700X3D or 5800X3D especially exist and match or even surpass it.

Realistically, I'd be waiting unless you're desperate for more performance now (doesn't sound like you are) since new CPUs are coming soon from AMD, and not too long from Intel too. Wait for both, and see what your options are. Anything short of the fastest stuff available now, so either a 7800X3D or maybe Raptor Lake, is a waste from a 5600. Alder Lake, the 7000 series non-X3D; none of that is a big enough change to warrant a platform overhaul. The 5000 X3D aren't any bigger of a jump but they might be worth considering simply because you only need a CPU change for them. And if those don't impress you, I'd say nothing short of getting the best now is worth it. And buying the best now when new stuff is coming in the coming few months is a "just wait" scenario in my mind.

 

[P4-630]

Is he right ?

If you meant me:

Whatever you think, I know it from first hand experience.

GL.

 

[gasolin]

There also comming new ryzen 5000 cpus

Ryzen 9 5900XT, a 16 core Zen 3 part, while the Ryzen 7 5800XT will be an 8 core Zen 3

Do we know anything about them (performance)

AMD Launching New CPUs for AM4: Ryzen 5000XT Series Coming in July

www.anandtech.com

I also remember reading about a ryzen 5 5600 xt

So a ryzen 5000X3d cpu or go all in and buy the fastest min 8 core cpu (7800x3d,7900x, 13700k or 14700k, i9 cooling demands are for me to high to wanna buy one, i can't stand there noise aios have compared to a thermalright peerlees assassin 120)

 

[Sunny and 75]

Ryzen 9 5900XT, a 16 core Zen 3 part, while the Ryzen 7 5800XT will be an 8 core Zen 3

Do we know anything about them (performance)

They will NOT beat a 5800X3D or a 5700X3D in gaming. A couple of hundreds more frequency is nothing compared to the vast 64MB L3 Cache available on the X3D parts.

 

[gasolin]

Why are you talking about 64 mb L3 Cache ?

They got 96mb L3 Cache

 

[Waldorf]

stuff doesnt always have to "beat" something to be an improvement, and some are ignoring the fact i can sometimes get a cpu/mb/ram for same or a little more than the cpu upgrade would cost,
e.g. someone you know sells their stuff/or local shops with deals (like getting MB for 1$/E if buying all 3 together), so claiming certain stuff makes no sense, is incorrect.

and thats ignoring that recent amd info suggests the 9 series wont be faster for gaming than say 7800X3D, so waiting for the newest gen is actually the waste,
not the upgrade to 7 series..

@gasolin
for gaming only, 5800X3D, or switch to 78000X3D if you want a new platform.

and the noise on most aio is either due to crappy fan/pump profile, and/or noisy fans, all fixable by user.
non of the corsair/arctic/alphacool aio i used for my/customer builds, where noisy after tweaking those, and that includes being (almost) inaudible at idle/low load (like surfing/streaming).
you dont blame a rolls royce, for the bad road your driving on..

 

[Sunny and 75]

Why are you talking about 64 mb L3 Cache ?

They got 96mb L3 Cache

My bad.

I meant the 64MB 3D Cache is a far more superior upgrade than just a couple of hundreds more frequency.

 

[gasolin]

The 64MB HIGHER 3D Cache

The new not yet released ryzen 5000 i don't think i would buy

 

[dgianstefani]

Either get a 5800X3D or wait for Arrow Lake, should be ~3 months.

Zen 5 looks a bit meh and Zen 4 is old at this point and the motherboards are first gen, the refresh mobos seem to literally just mandate USB4 so that's a bit disappointing.

Raptor Lake would be what I'd build if starting from scratch, but you're not, so wait for Arrow Lake or pop in a Zen 3 X3D part.

There's not much discussion to be had here, you can either get a X3D for AM4, or move to a new platform, which its a bad time to do, nothing else is a reasonable upgrade for gaming at high refresh.

 

[Sunny and 75]

The 64MB HIGHER 3D Cache

The 64MB 3D Cache is what brings the magic here.

And they've said that they're gonna improve the technology even more with the ZEN5X3D parts so we could be looking at 20% improvement instead of 15% we got with available X3D SKUs.

 

[gasolin]

Ryzen 5700x is at the moment super cheap close to msrp of a ryzen 5600x, 5700x3d is close to +50% (no used), 5800x3d is like between 25 and 30% more expensive than a 5700x3d

ryzen 9 5900x is actually cheaper than a ryzen 5700x3d but don't like the low usage temps

The 64MB 3D Cache is what brings the magic here.

And they've said that they're gonna improve the technology even more with the ZEN5X3D parts so we could be looking at 20% improvement instead of 15% we got with available X3D SKUs.

Don't have the most powerful gpu but more than i used to, at some point i won't get more fps because i only have a rtx 4070 (diminishing returns)