5060 Ti 8GB DOA

[Sunny and 75]

Why RAM when you can stream it to floppy disks in RAID for scratch drives. We're on to something. Even better, like mobo dimm slots for RAM, drop floppy disk slots on the GPU and bobs your uncle.

And bobs your uncle, indeed! XD! XD! XD!

Never laughed so hard like I do reading your posts, keep'em coming, man!

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God Bless You

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may the Lord of Tech-care-of-me save us all

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lower your expectations going in

Sure thing, Sir

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Who’s she - these are not my kids.

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You're the definition of wholesome.

 

[Vayra86]

you made an argument about price being the decisive factor. But apparently you forgot all about it on your reply rant. Maybe old age, i heard people tend to forget things.

- money spent on GPUs over X time of gaming enjoyment

You really have a reading issue it seems

 

[Dr. Dro]

12Year old game? He's running the enhanced version with RT and upgraded GFX, so no. It's recent. Also, you're screenshot cherry picking. Very classy. As the video continued from that point, after he restarted the game, all was well. However, let's not side-step the point. This is a VERY popular game running on a GPU that is a big step back from the one we're discussing and it's running a ray-traced game VERY well on 6GB of VRAM. Hmm..

I've played through GTA 5 Enhanced on the RTX A2000 using Rockstar's "High RT" preset (which seems to be a mishmash of medium texture and shader settings plus low quality RT, without the extra ray tracing features enabled) - and it was doing 1080p/120fps just fine. The 6 GB were never an issue, not before the hardware itself (or at the very least, the 70 W power limit) became a problem for performance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

- money spent on GPUs over X time of gaming enjoyment

You really have a reading issue it seems

No, they're deliberately ignoring it. You're pushing a point that is without merit and pointless.

 

[thestryker6]

Seems to be doing the job well, even at 1440p.. Imagine that..

You mean 835p/720p because he only runs that with DLSS balanced/performance.

12Year old game? He's running the enhanced version with RT and upgraded GFX, so no. It's recent.

Lipstick on a pig doesn't make it not a pig. This is just the PS5/XBX|S version of the game which means it's just a modified version of the base game. GTA5 is basically an e-sports title at this point since the vast majority of their money is made via GTA online.

 

[Sunny and 75]

people are in full cognitive dissonance mode.

And that's putting it mildly.

'Muh, 4GB is also okay' what the actual fuck hahaha how is this even a talking point in this topic.

My 8GB 1070 is a blasphemous act committed by (that green monster) Nvidia

You will need not only to "turn down settings", you will need to return to Windows XP and Windows 7 in order to run DirectX 9 and DirectX 10.1 games.

To where it all began, the evolution of man

I'll believe that when I see it.

3GB memory modules ARE available, it's just that Nvidia are not willing to provide mainstream buyers with that VRAM configuration yet.

It would be a great option though.

ABSOLUTELY, Lex, ABSO-*******-LUTELY

UDNA / Xe3 will win my wallet if I don't see 3GB memory modules on the 50 SUPER series, aka voting with my wallet

the shithole that is x60 segment

You're being too kind, Sir (Melting face emoji)

 

[Scattergrunt]

I really don't think 8 GB is the ultimate deal breaker that it is being painted as, I think this is a marketing and pricing problem first, a technical issue second, and a hardware limitation last.

I think it can be a deal breaker but its not a end all be all *yet*, its definitely a pricing problem and marketing problem. technical issue? thats debatable, hard limitations are piling but not fully here yet (still edge cases.) My prediction is still another generation + a refresh before we truly get to see enough edge cases to say "okay, maybe its not a wise investment".

 

[Rover4444]

You can't present a meritful argument against it because it is factually correct with in the context of it's scope, so you mock. Pedantics.

I've already presented a meritful argument, there's nothing left to do but mock those who refuse to listen. 2GB is enough but you need to turn down settings to 900p? Yeah we're not having a discussion, I'm laughing at you.

EVERYTHING is expensive. Your context doesn't apply and has no merit.

EVERYTHING is expensive but the 5060 Ti is a budget card? Yeah we ain't arguing buddy.

The last time I played around with a 2 GB card (a GeForce GTX 690) a few years ago, they were already suffering somewhat. That wasn't to say there were no games you could play, Final Fantasy XV actually worked at low settings quite well, though it relied badly on SLI and since SLI is dead, that card was pretty much dead alongside it. I think if you're playing on a 2-4 GB card, you will have to manage your expectations. With the memory requirements rising as games finally leave the PS4/XB1 generation behind and start to be developed with the PS5/XSX in mind, it's safe to say that if you are buying a midrange product with 8 GB of memory, you should temper your expectations accordingly.

That the 5060/Ti are "expensive", that "midrange products should be able to do full ultra at 1080p full stop", these are just feelings. People are entitled to having these feelings, even if they don't correspond to facts. If that bothers you as a customer, vote with your wallet and refuse to buy. That's the only way you will see change.

IMO: AMD has an opportunity here. Make the 8 GB 9060 XT available for $199 MSRP. I wanna see the deadly backlash against that! Just to prove, it's a marketing and pricing issue first.

Way ahead of ya, I'm planning to get the 16GB version only. I'm okay with it's level of performance since I already have a card that performs similarly at native, but the NVIDIA features make me want to buy and this is one of two GPUs of theirs that's actually worth purchasing.

Don't think the 9060 XT is gonna be $200 though. Probably going to be $50 more than the 7600.

Hey.. if you guys don't like it, you can always buy from a competitor, or something from last gen that has the digits that you require

Or even better... hold on to your current GPU!

 

[freeagent]

Or even better... hold on to your current GPU!

My stuff gets handed down to my kids.. huge money saver

 

[Rover4444]

WAIT A MINUTE GUYS, it looks like the results for the 5060 Ti 8GB and 16GB got separated in TPU's relative performance table. Ya'll ain't gonna BELIEVE where the 5060 Ti 8GB is

 

[lexluthermiester]

I've already presented a meritful argument

No you presented an opinion that was based on invalid and skewed info. That's not meritful.

Yeah we ain't arguing buddy.

True!

 

[Sunny and 75]

2GB is enough but you need to turn down settings to 900p?

More like 90p, XD!

Or even better... hold on to your current GPU!

Since 2016

My stuff gets handed down to my kids.. huge money saver

SUPER Awesome! For the cubs (Melting face emoji)

WAIT A MINUTE GUYS

Keyword, XD!

the results for the 5060 Ti 8GB and 16GB got separated in TPU's relative performance table

What a surprise, I mean, who woulda' thunk

True!

Correct!

Not arguing at all, just having more than a bit of good, wholesome, fun (Saluting face emoji)

 

[JustBenching]

This is true, and if that's your point, well, okay. Welcome to PC gaming?

But it has nothing to do with the fact an 8GB card in this day and age shouldn't be on your shopping list, unless its <250,- and frankly even that is stretching it.

We're just moving goalposts here. Yes, you can tweak games and get them to run on ancient hardware. Nothing new. Question is, do you want to.

If the 5060ti 8gb was at 250 or below then nobody in their right mind would pay 450 for the 16gb model. Does it really make sense for the 8gb model to be ~half the price of the 16?

*To the people laughing at us because we said "drop the settings". Tell me, kind sirs, what GPUs do you actually have and you don't need to drop the settings? Im dropping settings on my 4090 - and I've been doing that since day one, so how exactly is it funny when someone suggests to do the same on a 399$ GPU when you have to do that on 2.5k$ gpus? Please, enlighten me.

The whole criticism is because the 16gb can use higher settings in some games. Well, duuh? That's why it's more expensive, if they could pull the exact same settings on every single game then the 16gb would be a fraud of a card. Every nvidia card that costs more performs better - vram is irrelevant. The 5070 is faster than the 5060ti, the 5080 is faster than the 5070 etcera. So why the hell would we expect the 5060ti 8gb to perform the exact same as the 16gb model? 8gb is perfectly fine, the only discussion to be had is how much should the price difference be between the 8 and 16 models.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

WAIT A MINUTE GUYS, it looks like the results for the 5060 Ti 8GB and 16GB got separated in TPU's relative performance table. Ya'll ain't gonna BELIEVE where the 5060 Ti 8GB is

I believe it.

My stuff gets handed down to my kids.. huge money saver

First thing you handed down was your DNA, saying anything after that is a money saver is equivalent to my wife saying she saved money by buying yet more shoes she does not need because they were on sale.

 

[Ruru]

I've played through GTA 5 Enhanced on the RTX A2000 using Rockstar's "High RT" preset (which seems to be a mishmash of medium texture and shader settings plus low quality RT, without the extra ray tracing features enabled) - and it was doing 1080p/120fps just fine. The 6 GB were never an issue, not before the hardware itself (or at the very least, the 70 W power limit) became a problem for performance.

The A2000 is an insane card when thinking of the performance it has without a power connector.

 

[phanbuey]

If the 5060ti 8gb was at 250 or below then nobody in their right mind would pay 450 for the 16gb model. Does it really make sense for the 8gb model to be ~half the price of the 16?

*To the people laughing at us because we said "drop the settings". Tell me, kind sirs, what GPUs do you actually have and you don't need to drop the settings? Im dropping settings on my 4090 - and I've been doing that since day one, so how exactly is it funny when someone suggests to do the same on a 399$ GPU when you have to do that on 2.5k$ gpus? Please, enlighten me.

The whole criticism is because the 16gb can use higher settings in some games. Well, duuh? That's why it's more expensive, if they could pull the exact same settings on every single game then the 16gb would be a fraud of a card. Every nvidia card that costs more performs better - vram is irrelevant. The 5070 is faster than the 5060ti, the 5080 is faster than the 5070 etcera. So why the hell would we expect the 5060ti 8gb to perform the exact same as the 16gb model? 8gb is perfectly fine, the only discussion to be had is how much should the price difference be between the 8 and 16 models.

No one is laughing at you for saying 'drop the settings' - they're laughing at the amount of copium here to defend a $400+ 8GB GPU in 2025 when the last 3 AAA game releases exceeded that frame buffer - and the GPU can handle higher framerates, and for $50 you can double the ram. The thread title is - "It's DOA (because of it's pricing and the already obvious vram limit)" - you're here saying 'NO! it's not DOA if you drop the settings'.

Let's take your example in the other direction -- the one closer to it, instead of a $250 8GB 5060ti, would you defend a $350 4GB 5060ti?

No one is saying "you cannot run games on 8gbs" theyre saying "8gb is not enough ram for you to run games without having to worry about running out of vram" -- which is true.

The latest doom game is using almost 8GB of ram on the lowest settings, and FG doesn't work on the 8gb - which means the 16GB version of the same GPU can get quite literally double the framerate at all resolutions/settings - with FG on -- this is objectively "not enough ram" - you can't even argue to turn down the settings here. And thats a game that JUST released -- imagine 2 years from now.

AMD 9060XT 8GB is going to be in the same boat - if not even worse.

 

[JustBenching]

No one is laughing at you for saying 'drop the settings' - they're laughing at the amount of copium here to defend a $400+ 8GB GPU in 2025 when the last 3 AAA game releases exceeded that frame buffer - and the GPU can handle higher framerates, and for $50 you can double the ram.

The 3 last AAA releases exceeded the raster performance of my 4090. Why is that okay while exceeding the vram buffer isn't? Both will require you to drop settings. Heck, almost of the RT titles exceed the rt performance of all amd cards. How was it okay to completely turn off rt but dropping textures isn't?

Let's take your example in the other direction -- the one closer to it, instead of a $250 8GB 5060ti, would you defend a $350 4GB 5060ti?

I'm not defending the 8gb card. I'm saying if you feel like you need more, go for it, there is a 16gb version just for you. A 4gb card seems useless to me so no, I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy this thing, but I wouldn't mind it exists. It's existence doesn't bother me, you think 4gb is enough, go for it champ.

Doom at low settings - according to hub that is - looks extremely identical to the extreme preset. I kid you not, that's a quote from him. So basically the 8gb 5060ti plays doom at settings that look extremely identical to ultra. That's fine, no? Why hang up on what the preset is called instead of the actual visuals it delivers?

 

[Vayra86]

The 3 last AAA releases exceeded the raster performance of my 4090. Why is that okay while exceeding the vram buffer isn't? Both will require you to drop settings. Heck, almost of the RT titles exceed the rt performance of all amd cards. How was it okay to completely turn off rt but dropping textures isn't?

I'm not defending the 8gb card. I'm saying if you feel like you need more, go for it, there is a 16gb version just for you. A 4gb card seems useless to me so no, I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy this thing, but I wouldn't mind it exists. It's existence doesn't bother me, you think 4gb is enough, go for it champ.

Doom at low settings - according to hub that is - looks extremely identical to the extreme preset. I kid you not, that's a quote from him. So basically the 8gb 5060ti plays doom at settings that look extremely identical to ultra. That's fine, no? Why hang up on what the preset is called instead of the actual visuals it delivers?

Do you ever wonder how thick the plank in front of your face is? I do. Impenetrable stupidity that, really, actually just comes off as trolling because the questions you ask have been asked before and answered a few dozen times now. You seem to keep hoping the answers change because of reasons? Just so that its clear, your comparisons hold no water.

You do you though. Its funny to watch

 

[lexluthermiester]

Do you ever wonder how thick the plank in front of your face is? I do.

Pot, meet Kettle..

Impenetrable stupidity that, really, actually just comes off as trolling

Interestingly enough, that's what some of us think about your comments. Funny how that works, isn't it. Especially the highlighted part. "Can't see the forest for the trees" is a more civilized way of putting it.

Just so that its clear, your comparisons hold no water.

They're better arguments than the drivel that some have offered the discussion. Just throwing it out there.

Its funny to watch

TRUTH!!

 

[JustBenching]

Do you ever wonder how thick the plank in front of your face is? I do. Impenetrable stupidity that, really, actually just comes off as trolling because the questions you ask have been asked before and answered a few dozen times now. You seem to keep hoping the answers change because of reasons? Just so that its clear, your comparisons hold no water.

You do you though. Its funny to watch

It would take you less time to actually answer than it took you to write this...whatever this is.

So - let me try again, why is it okay for cards to completely run out of performance (amd RT performance as an example) and have to drop settings but it's not okay for the 5060ti to drop settings.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So - let me try again, why is it okay for cards to completely run out of performance (amd RT performance as an example) and have to drop settings but it's not okay for the 5060ti to drop settings.

If I may offer a thought. You are arguing with someone who is known for stringing people along and wasting their time for amusement. You're literally arguing with a brick wall. Just let it go. He's never going to yield to logical sense. He's taken his position and he'll defend it whether he's right or wrong come hell or high water.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The A2000 is an insane card when thinking of the performance it has without a power connector.

Which is why I'm a fan of the 3050 6GB, deceptive name notwithstanding. It delivers 80% of the A2000's performance for a mere 38% of the price. With standard DP and HDMI, too. It's not the best GPU out there but at 70W PCIe slot power, it's by far the best deal.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Which is why I'm a fan of the 3050 6GB, deceptive name notwithstanding.

Same here. It's been a surprisingly excellent card for the specs. And there is little that can't be played if you're willing to customize the game settings down somewhat. The A2000 is a bit pricier but a wonderful card. Both show clearly that while less VRAM is not optimal, it's also not the end of the world.

 

[Hecate91]

why is it okay for cards to completely run out of performance (amd RT performance as an example) and have to drop settings but it's not okay for the 5060ti to drop settings.

Apples to oranges, these are not the same.
It shouldn't be ok to need to drop settings to low for a game to run or not crash with a new $400 GPU. RT is a feature and most games will still run without it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It shouldn't be ok to need to drop settings to low for a game to run

That is not what one has to do on a 5060ti 8GB. If you had actually used one, you would know that. If one can play certain games on modest, but not the lowest settings, on a 4060 8GB, then one does not have to run those same games on lower settings for a better card. Simple logic.

or not crash with a new $400 GPU.

As has been said MANY times before, all tech prices are out of whack currently! Prices are not the issue because they're all in flux and on the raise, stop bringing it up as it is not a valid point of debate.