Less FPS after upgrading from nvidia 1660s to amd 6700 (not xt,10 gb vram)

[Dr. Dro]

@Dr. Dro
what has swap file to do with ram? i can increase that on any system with enough storage.
and with 10gb on OP gpu, 16 is still more than enough, or they game wouldnt run after clean install, and still show issues?!

It's due to how the Windows memory allocation system works. Very aggressive. Agree that it's enough in OP's case, but... 16 GB is like, at the lower end by now. 32 GB is basically just about "standard", I'd be recommending 48 to 64 GB kits for top end PCs from now on.

 

[Chrispy_]

Folks, could it be the motherboard VRM unable to handle the increased CPU power draw now that the GPU bottleneck has been removed?

OP's motherboard is only a low-cost H610 with 6-phase VRM and no heatsinks. I have no experience with boards at this tier, but reviews of low-end B660 motherboards with more substantial VRMs paint a sorry picture of PL1 limits capped as low as 65W and VRMs that overheat and cause massive performance drops.

 

[Waldorf]

@Dr. Dro
oh sure, and wouldnt build with less than 32 now, and i would be on more if it wasnt for the fact i couldnt get large fast sticks in a dual kit (2 slots) back when i got it (short of throwing 3x the money out the window).
but in a case where the issues goes away after "nothing" but clean install, shows "you dont have enough ram (with 16gb)", is clearly incorrect.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, it's not VRAM. You can still game okay on 8GB if you strip out the usual background apps that most people run like a browser/discord/'driver' suite bloat like Synapse etc. 16GB is probably the minimum viable amount of RAM for a daily-driver gaming PC these days, but it's still enough to avoid major issues like the ones OP is describing

 

[Melvis]

Go to the Processes tab and take a screenshot, upload it here

Here you go as requested.

 

[Athlonite]

Here you go as requested.

Looks to me like your game is only using roughly 10GB of ram what else is using it besides the game click the memory section to show what else is using a shit ton of ram because something is and it isn't your game

 

[JustBenching]

Here you go as requested.

So the game runs fine, its not needing 16+. If there is not enough ram windows moves background proccesses away from ram to to the ssd.

 

[Ripcord]

disabling windows memory compression can help with stuttering, especially as you have a ssd and hdd.

open power shell window/terminal window with administrator privileges and type

Disable-MMAgent -mc

then reboot

Enable-MMAgent -mc

turns it back on.

 

[Melvis]

Looks to me like your game is only using roughly 10GB of ram what else is using it besides the game click the memory section to show what else is using a shit ton of ram because something is and it isn't your game

I have attached Pictures below to show you what else uses RAM on this PC and there is nothing out of the ordinary that is using shit loads of RAM besides the game its self. As you can see by the screen shots, Steam and just windows running uses around 4.4GB of RAM, without anything running in the background Windows its self can use between 3.5 and 4GB and with Discord running its around 4.6GB and Ive also shown that this PC is a pretty fresh install of Windows 10 Pro.

So the game runs fine, its not needing 16+. If there is not enough ram windows moves background proccesses away from ram to to the ssd.

Nope! and here are lots of screen shots to prove that 16GB just isnt enough for this Particular game. I have screen shots of how fresh this install is, whats running in the back ground, what two main programs are used when playing games, one showing RAM usage just steam, the other with steam and Discord.

Also this one is really going to upset you both when I went into game i noticed DLSS was on and set to quality I then turned that to native and the RAM usage went up even more!

Now since this game is free! you guys should install it and run it yourself and you will see how much RAM this game will use! Ive done my part, now its your turn! Settings set to high.

 

[JustBenching]

I have attached Pictures below to show you what else uses RAM on this PC and there is nothing out of the ordinary that is using shit loads of RAM besides the game its self. As you can see by the screen shots, Steam and just windows running uses around 4.4GB of RAM, without anything running in the background Windows its self can use between 3.5 and 4GB and with Discord running its around 4.6GB and Ive also shown that this PC is a pretty fresh install of Windows 10 Pro.



Nope! and here are lots of screen shots to prove that 16GB just isnt enough for this Particular game. I have screen shots of how fresh this install is, whats running in the back ground, what two main programs are used when playing games, one showing RAM usage just steam, the other with steam and Discord.

Also this one is really going to upset you both when I went into game i noticed DLSS was on and set to quality I then turned that to native and the RAM usage went up even more!

Now since this game is free! you guys should install it and run it yourself and you will see how much RAM this game will use! Ive done my part, now its your turn! Settings set to high.

Do you understand that if windows finds a lot of ram it just stretches? The game uses only 10gb of ram so 16 is absolutely fine. Cod can get up to 24 gb of ram (so 2.4x times more than rivals) and yet it still works fine with 16gb system ram.

 

[Melvis]

Do you understand that if windows finds a lot of ram it just stretches? The game uses only 10gb of ram so 16 is absolutely fine. Cod can get up to 24 gb of ram (so 2.4x times more than rivals) and yet it still works fine with 16gb system ram.

No your not understanding this at all! and I just proved that to you how many times? it is not enough, I learnt this the hard way by trying to play the game on my machine with originally only 16GB and it would stutter and then finally freeze and crash to desktop! By adding the extra 16GB (as i have explained before) this fixed the issue and also showed that the game (as pictured more then once now) that it will use more the 16 total RAM, hate to tell you but there are other things that take up RAM when running a game, eg WINDOWS! and steam.....so as I said, go install it yourself and find out! then report back, otherwise move on!

 

[Athlonite]

No your not understanding this at all! and I just proved that to you how many times? it is not enough, I learnt this the hard way by trying to play the game on my machine with originally only 16GB and it would stutter and then finally freeze and crash to desktop! By adding the extra 16GB (as i have explained before) this fixed the issue and also showed that the game (as pictured more then once now) that it will use more the 16 total RAM, hate to tell you but there are other things that take up RAM when running a game, eg WINDOWS! and steam.....so as I said, go install it yourself and find out! then report back, otherwise move on!

 

[JustBenching]

No your not understanding this at all! and I just proved that to you how many times? it is not enough, I learnt this the hard way by trying to play the game on my machine with originally only 16GB and it would stutter and then finally freeze and crash to desktop! By adding the extra 16GB (as i have explained before) this fixed the issue and also showed that the game (as pictured more then once now) that it will use more the 16 total RAM, hate to tell you but there are other things that take up RAM when running a game, eg WINDOWS! and steam.....so as I said, go install it yourself and find out! then report back, otherwise move on!

The game uses 10 as your own screeshot proved. Please stop. If your game was crashing you didn't have swap file.

 

[Melvis]

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Ahh I get what you mean and I can do this for you in a bit, otherwise I think its steam and Discord that are shown there.

The game uses 10 as your own screeshot proved. Please stop. If your game was crashing you didn't have swap file.

My screenshot also proves that you need more then 16GB of RAM without getting any freezing/crashing etc. FYI if your game starts to use swap then guess what......you have run out of RAM So please Stop! and use some common sense! as you need a OS and steam to run said game but since you think that you dont need these two major things to run the game please feel free to post any screen shots of your own of the game running without an OS, id love to see that! Im still waiting for you to provide screenshots of your own from said game to prove me wrong, so please give me those since its a free game otherwise your just here to troll and thats not helping out anyone especially Ursamajor

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[dgianstefani]

Looks to me like your game is only using roughly 10GB of ram what else is using it besides the game click the memory section to show what else is using a shit ton of ram because something is and it isn't your game

Stock Windows uses around 4 GB, you can tune it to 2-3 GB but most people don't know how. Then if he has anything else running that's easily saturating 16 GB. Plus game RAM usage will vary with settings and time. Many games have small memory leaks etc.

I always recommend dual rank memory anyway for the additional write bandwidth. If possible, I strongly advise a 2*16 DDR4 kit or a 2*32 DDR5 kit.

Note, this does not mean 4 single rank sticks, which will often require you to downclock the memory.

 

[Chrispy_]

My screenshot also proves that you need more then 16GB of RAM without getting any freezing/crashing etc. FYI if your game starts to use swap then guess what......you have run out of RAM So please Stop!

No!
You please stop.

This is such a braindead argument you're making; If 16GB was a problem then why aren't the majority of PC gamers also seeing this problem? The Steam Hardware survey says that over half of all Steam users have 16GB RAM or less. 16GB is by far the most common amount of RAM worldwide and there obviously aren't ~70 million gamers all getting RAM bottlenecked as you are insisting they will be on 16GB or less.

I just fired up a big fat AAA game at 4K120 max settings and it uses 5.1GB RAM. My system is using 12.8GB of RAM right now and that includes 2GB of Chrome, a VPN client, VMware remote console and bunch of other apps like Teams, Outlook, and Discord. If this system only had 16GB of RAM it would still be getting exactly the same performance doing what I'm doing right now.

If you're going to have such a strong opinion on 16GB not being enough RAM, then you really need to read up on how memory management in Windows works some more, because it's clear you don't fully understand it yet. I don't fully understand it yet, but it's clear I understand a lot more than you having read your posts. That's not a brag, it's simply me telling you to stop pushing an agenda you don't really have a full grasp of.

If you're still convinced it's RAM, read the OP's original post. His issue happens in Valorant and RDR2:

Valorant runs like butter on 8GB systems, it was designed to run on a potato, and even runs respectably on 4GB laptops, though it's not 100% smooth unless you have 6GB of RAM in your laptop.
RDR2 was designed to run on the PS4 which is an 8GB system, and I've never seen the PC port use more than about 7-8GB of RAM.

 

[Melvis]

No!
You please stop.

This is such a braindead argument you're making; If 16GB was a problem then why aren't the majority of PC gamers also seeing this problem? The Steam Hardware survey says that over half of all Steam users have 16GB RAM or less. 16GB is by far the most common amount of RAM worldwide and there obviously aren't ~70 million gamers all getting RAM bottlenecked as you are insisting they will be on 16GB or less.

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I just fired up a big fat AAA game at 4K120 max settings and it uses 5.1GB RAM. My system is using 12.8GB of RAM right now and that includes 2GB of Chrome, a VPN client, VMware remote console and bunch of other apps like Teams, Outlook, and Discord. If this system only had 16GB of RAM it would still be getting exactly the same performance doing what I'm doing right now.

If you're going to have such a strong opinion on 16GB not being enough RAM, then you really need to read up on how memory management in Windows works some more, because it's clear you don't fully understand it yet. I don't fully understand it yet, but it's clear I understand a lot more than you having read your posts. That's not a brag, it's simply me telling you to stop pushing an agenda you don't really have a full grasp of.

If you're still convinced it's RAM, read the OP's original post. His issue happens in Valorant and RDR2:

Valorant runs like butter on 8GB systems, it was designed to run on a potato, and even runs respectably on 4GB laptops, though it's not 100% smooth unless you have 6GB of RAM in your laptop.
RDR2 was designed to run on the PS4 which is an 8GB system, and I've never seen the PC port use more than about 7-8GB of RAM.

NO!
YOU! Need to stop! Your counter arguments are ridiculous! considering no one is backing up there claims with any proof and im sick of it! I have time and time again and all I get is a load of BS! which in my eyes now is just pure trolls! or clearly have NO idea!

First of all we are talking about 1-2 games, so get your facts right! all you have put is all games in general, which the discussion is between a particular game and also in your own screen shot do you see what is second on your list? 32GB.......hmmm I wonder why! and that number will only grow as the yrs go by and the games need more RAM, just a fact! So stop with the counter BS if your not even bothering reading what we are talking about in the first place! just makes you look stupid! GO back to the 2nd and 3rd post I put and read them! and you might actually understand!

Oh ok so you just loaded up a big fat AAA game and told us all about what your running in the back ground, FYI your not the only one that has all those running in the back ground......but yet you never tell us what game? talk about "trying" to make yourself look smart but instead.....again....missing what exactly we are talking about, unreal!

No Clearly you have no clue how memory works otherwise you would of done exactly what I have been proving since my second post that there are games, and FREE games that the OP can easily just download and run can that use more then 16GB of RAM, thats just the fact, dont like the facts? tuff luck! otherwise go install it and run it yourself and tell me how much RAM your system uses which funny enough....NO one has done yet......Also fun fact I dont own or play valorant.

Again this argument that started was because some people think that you do not need more then 16GB or Memory to play games.......and for the most part that is true BUT there are games out there which I showed and proved again and again that do use MORE then 16GB and then people claiming NO you dont need 32GB to run that game, and then I proved to them again that yes sorry you actually do! and again for the idk 5th time that PC used to have 16GB or RAM and so I know for afact! that it just wasnt enough anymore to cover all ranges of games, I play all types not just some zoomer that plays Esport games.....if you know about this fact now and for the OP then it is better they know it now so they can adjust for it in the future instead of wondering wtf! is going on when I play such and such game and it keeps crashing on me! to then find out that your hitting your RAM limit and its paging to the hard drive which is never fun!

 

[Chrispy_]

My claim is that 58 million steam users don't have a problem with 16GB of system RAM and 13 million people are managing with 8GB. If there was an issue, those 71 million people would have quite literally flooded the gaming forums and communities all over the web with these issues, yet they haven't, because it's not a common issue.

The game in question I just tested was Death Stranding Director's cut, simply because that was at the top of my recent list, but it could have been just about anything else because the game doesn't matter, especially when OP is calling out Valorant which runs on a potato and uses about 2.5GB of RAM.

But what does it matter? You're just blowing smoke, derailing the thread, and failing to fully read the replies from several people who have clearly explained to you that it's not a RAM capacity issue.

Also fun fact I dont own or play valorant.

Well f*ck off then.

This is OP's thread, and he mentioned Valorant in the very first post. Nobody is forcing you to be here, and if you're not even going to read his first post explaining the problem then what the hell are you even doing still in this thread? Go troll somewhere else with your incomplete, loose grasp on the basics of how stuff works.

 

[JustBenching]

My screenshot also proves that you need more then 16GB of RAM without getting any freezing/crashing etc. FYI if your game starts to use swap then guess what......you have run out of RAM So please Stop! and use some common sense! as you need a OS and steam to run said game but since you think that you dont need these two major things to run the game please feel free to post any screen shots of your own of the game running without an OS, id love to see that! Im still waiting for you to provide screenshots of your own from said game to prove me wrong, so please give me those since its a free game otherwise your just here to troll and thats not helping out anyone especially Ursamajor

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But the game wouldn't be using swap file since its just 10gb, it would fit into the ram. Windows processes would start using swap which is perfectly fine.

 

[lambda]

This is unlikely to be RAM related, I have 16GB myself, I have not encountered any issues.

This seems like a software issue to me. I would recommend reinstalling the drivers once again if you haven't done so already.

Also check the AMD drivers for some settings that you might have turned on accidentally (Chill, FPS limit, Power limit etc.)

 

[GameZenChill]

Hello everyone, I have transitioned from a 1660 Super to a Radeon 6700. While I was getting 70-90 FPS on FurMark with the 1660 Super, with the 6700 (the 10GB version without the XT), the FPS went up to 140-150, and so far, everything seemed as expected... Then, after using DDU to remove the Nvidia driver and some other steps, I eagerly jumped into a game. In RDR2, I started getting even lower FPS than I did with the 1660 Super I moved on to ETS2 and experienced more than a 20% FPS drop. At one point, the FPS even dropped to 1, though it wasn’t actually 1. Anyway, I switched to Valorant and still had the same problem, constant micro-freezes and lower FPS. I thought, okay, I get it, so I did a format, but I still feel like I’m not fully utilizing the card... Are there any friends who can help me out?

And one more thing is that vram mhz was almost full then i lowered the resolution from 180,which is max rate, to 170 and then its something like 20-200 idle. But as i said i want to get more and more stable fps... Please help me out guys im new in that amd thing

and i have i5 12400f
16 gigs ram
500 gb hdd and 250 gb ssd
gigabyte h610mhdd4 mainboard
win 11

Is English your first language ?

Some of the terms you used are very confusing - like vram mhz was full, resolution from 180 max rate to 170, then its something like 20-200 idle. I have no idea what you're saying here.

Do you mean the max refresh rate / frame per second (fps) limit was 180 then you changed it to 170 ? Or do you mean screen resolution scaling was at 180% which you changed to 170% ? Or do you mean screen resolution in pixels which is normally 1080p ?

You don't normally use DDU after installing drivers. The way to do it is, use DDU to clean all drivers, then install correct drivers. Remember to disable internet or use option to disable Windows Update installing drivers automatically.

I don't know what the 'some other steps' you did were. Details would be helpful.

Take a screenshot of the in game settings you're using, and the settings you're using in the Radeon software. What are you changing from default. How does the game run at default. Try running all settings at default, i.e. without changing settings.

Is yours a Desktop or Laptop ?

Windows 11 is which version - 23H2 or 24H2 ?

 

[Waldorf]

@Melvis
no matter if i use High (60) or Ultra (incl DLSS) for 30 fps, +1h into each session, no issues whatsoever, game use is 8-10gb win and 7gb for gpu.

 

[sLowEnd]

Valorant can run on a potato. It's not the 16GB RAM causing the issue in that game. It's likely some sort of driver issue.

 

[Melvis]

My claim is that 58 million steam users don't have a problem with 16GB of system RAM and 13 million people are managing with 8GB. If there was an issue, those 71 million people would have quite literally flooded the gaming forums and communities all over the web with these issues, yet they haven't, because it's not a common issue.

The game in question I just tested was Death Stranding Director's cut, simply because that was at the top of my recent list, but it could have been just about anything else because the game doesn't matter, especially when OP is calling out Valorant which runs on a potato and uses about 2.5GB of RAM.

But what does it matter? You're just blowing smoke, derailing the thread, and failing to fully read the replies from several people who have clearly explained to you that it's not a RAM capacity issue.


Well f*ck off then.

This is OP's thread, and he mentioned Valorant in the very first post. Nobody is forcing you to be here, and if you're not even going to read his first post explaining the problem then what the hell are you even doing still in this thread? Go troll somewhere else with your incomplete, loose grasp on the basics of how stuff works.

Your claim that you have shown me is actually hurting your argument! and in fact helping me with mine! as nearly 50% of people (going by a steam survey) are using over 16Gb or more, and do you think that this number might be growing from lets say 2 yrs ago? get what im saying here? and you seeing whats happening yet? or your head still stuck in the sand? Also this "survey" you put up (clearly to make you look good) doesnt even talk about the game in question (Marvels Rivals) so again.....this doesnt really help your case now does it? and again im still waiting for those screen shots from you! you do own a PC and have steam right? just gotta make sure! you might not have these two things, that would suck!

No no you sir need to F the H off actually, because you have just proven to me, yet again! that you have NOT read the thread correctly and have NOT read the posts I told you to read, its just a page back! im sure you can do it! This hole thing came from someone claiming that you don't need more then 16Gb of RAM to run games, NOT Valorant, GAMES in general, we are NOT talking about Valorant, once again if you bothered to read......go back a page you might actually get it! I just mentioned to the OP, NOT the person that said you don't need more then 16GB of RAM to play games that maybe its a RAM limitation, since I had issues with 16GB, and hence why I just thought MAYBE this is it as I don't have the game, so I don't know! but Marvel Rivals did not want to run nice on 16GB, it was merely a suggestion! So stop crying! and learn to read and follow what we are actually talking about....otherwise your just been a troll!

Now death stranding again I dont have this game so I can not comment on how it runs or how its uses memory to compare so what you say about it ill take your word for it, fair enough? but Marvel Rivals is a free game for all to play, load it up use the same settings I have and share your RAM usage in a screen shot like I have and lets find out!

But the game wouldn't be using swap file since its just 10gb, it would fit into the ram. Windows processes would start using swap which is perfectly fine.

Yep confirmed a troll......

@Melvis
no matter if i use High (60) or Ultra (incl DLSS) for 30 fps, +1h into each session, no issues whatsoever, game use is 8-10gb win and 7gb for gpu.

Screen shots please! and DLSS settings please! thank you!

I might do some more testing actually on that PC but since its very close to yours (besides the 5090X , Nice CPU BTW) it probably wont change much, but I could pull out 2 Sticks of RAM, bring ti back to 16GB since I havent done that since I upgraded to 32GB so I could run Marvel Rivals without crashing, or running like pure ass! and see if any of the updates has made it better to run on 16GB or it just does what it did to me. Then there is Icarus....gosh that game is a memory hog! not just system RAM ether, it loves VRAM, both system/Cards I have get used to the max on that, sux!

 

[JustBenching]

@Melvis
no matter if i use High (60) or Ultra (incl DLSS) for 30 fps, +1h into each session, no issues whatsoever, game use is 8-10gb win and 7gb for gpu.

Who would have thought that he is making stuff up? Color me surprised