Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[phanbuey]

19 pages in, and nobody has yet addressed the elephant in the room;
He switched from an 11th gen Intel, a generation known for having very consistent performance and excellent latency in games and applications, to a Zen 3 which is a couple of tiers worse in this regard. You might not like to hear this, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the machine. This is "expected" behavior.

Some people are very sensitive to latency, and it's not a matter of preference. For those who don't experience it; for some of us it's super distracting. From what I've seen in the posted videos, this is not the kind of latency tested for in reviews, even 0.1% lows will not catch such very minor occasional spikes. The frametimes shown here are for most people "excellent", and the spikes seems small enough that they either don't show up at all or as a single spike. And for those suggesting this might be RAM or VRAM issues; they would be much more severe. But these issues are certainly real, and for those who are bothered with this, it's very distracting from an otherwise smooth gameplay. (it's almost worse than having constant stutter)

So unless I've misread OP, I believe this is just very minor latencies coming from the CPU architecture, and I would suggest two options;
- Live with it, as long as you can. Save up more money and do a worthy upgrade.
- Replace the CPU/motherboard. I see the back and forth about Raptor Lake vs. Arrow Lake; yes Raptor Lake has higher peak FPS, but they are also more inconsistent, especially with stock power limits. My pick would be 265k, but I would encourage OP to try a friend's computer to experience it if at all possible.

One thing that I would do to confirm would be to try Ubuntu and run e.g. CS there, that's a completely different software stack, and if the problem persists, then you known for sure this is hardware behavior. But this may be outside your comfort zone, and would probably take you more than the 30 mins. it would take if I could be there to help you. So don't waste time on this unless you're willing.

Did you actually watch the videos? This isn’t “sensitive to latency”. The system is hitching from 200 fps to 0 - not normal.

Raptor lake has great minimum fps - not sure where ur getting its inconsistent from.

Also getting arrow lake for gaming at Germany prices is still insane.

 

[Montelo]

19 pages in, and nobody has yet addressed the elephant in the room;
He switched from an 11th gen Intel, a generation known for having very consistent performance and excellent latency in games and applications, to a Zen 3 which is a couple of tiers worse in this regard. You might not like to hear this, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the machine. This is "expected" behavior.

Some people are very sensitive to latency, and it's not a matter of preference. For those who don't experience it; for some of us it's super distracting. From what I've seen in the posted videos, this is not the kind of latency tested for in reviews, even 0.1% lows will not catch such very minor occasional spikes. The frametimes shown here are for most people "excellent", and the spikes seems small enough that they either don't show up at all or as a single spike. And for those suggesting this might be RAM or VRAM issues; they would be much more severe. But these issues are certainly real, and for those who are bothered with this, it's very distracting from an otherwise smooth gameplay. (it's almost worse than having constant stutter)

So unless I've misread OP, I believe this is just very minor latencies coming from the CPU architecture, and I would suggest two options;
- Live with it, as long as you can. Save up more money and do a worthy upgrade.
- Replace the CPU/motherboard. I see the back and forth about Raptor Lake vs. Arrow Lake; yes Raptor Lake has higher peak FPS, but they are also more inconsistent, especially with stock power limits. My pick would be 265k, but I would encourage OP to try a friend's computer to experience it if at all possible.

One thing that I would do to confirm would be to try Ubuntu and run e.g. CS there, that's a completely different software stack, and if the problem persists, then you known for sure this is hardware behavior. But this may be outside your comfort zone, and would probably take you more than the 30 mins. it would take if I could be there to help you. So don't waste time on this unless you're willing.

https://imgur.com/a/qLhyQck

(Gtx 1060)

https://imgur.com/a/fJyi9Yl

(RTX 3070)

Im not sure if spikes like these are "normal" i highly doubt that tho..

Did you actually watch the videos? This isn’t “sensitive to latency”. The system is hitching from 200 fps to 0 - not normal.

Raptor lake has great minimum fps - not sure where ur getting its inconsistent from.

Also getting arrow lake for gaming at Germany prices is still insane.

yea the prices are kinda rough, im getting a 5700x3d now for testing purposes, a friend of mine also suggested me this, just to be sure that my PSU is actually fine(at this point everything is worth a shot)

and if the 5700x3d doesnt change anything im switching to intel again

 

[phanbuey]

https://imgur.com/a/qLhyQck

(Gtx 1060)

https://imgur.com/a/fJyi9Yl

(RTX 3070)

Im not sure if spikes like these are "normal" i highly doubt that tho..


yea the prices are kinda rough, im getting a 5700x3d now for testing purposes, a friend of mine also suggested me this, just to be sure that my PSU is actually fine(at this point everything is worth a shot)View attachment 405849

and if the 5700x3d doesnt change anything im switching to intel again

let us know how it goes! - when does the new chip arrive?

 

[Montelo]

let us know how it goes! - when does the new chip arrive?

hopefully next week im assuming wednesday/thursday and then im gonna test it in the weekend

 

[Pets4Ever]

19 pages in, and nobody has yet addressed the elephant in the room;
He switched from an 11th gen Intel, a generation known for having very consistent performance and excellent latency in games and applications, to a Zen 3 which is a couple of tiers worse in this regard. You might not like to hear this, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the machine. This is "expected" behavior.

Some people are very sensitive to latency, and it's not a matter of preference. For those who don't experience it; for some of us it's super distracting. From what I've seen in the posted videos, this is not the kind of latency tested for in reviews, even 0.1% lows will not catch such very minor occasional spikes. The frametimes shown here are for most people "excellent", and the spikes seems small enough that they either don't show up at all or as a single spike. And for those suggesting this might be RAM or VRAM issues; they would be much more severe. But these issues are certainly real, and for those who are bothered with this, it's very distracting from an otherwise smooth gameplay. (it's almost worse than having constant stutter)

So unless I've misread OP, I believe this is just very minor latencies coming from the CPU architecture, and I would suggest two options;
- Live with it, as long as you can. Save up more money and do a worthy upgrade.
- Replace the CPU/motherboard. I see the back and forth about Raptor Lake vs. Arrow Lake; yes Raptor Lake has higher peak FPS, but they are also more inconsistent, especially with stock power limits. My pick would be 265k, but I would encourage OP to try a friend's computer to experience it if at all possible.

One thing that I would do to confirm would be to try Ubuntu and run e.g. CS there, that's a completely different software stack, and if the problem persists, then you known for sure this is hardware behavior. But this may be outside your comfort zone, and would probably take you more than the 30 mins. it would take if I could be there to help you. So don't waste time on this unless you're willing.

Did you watch any of the videos he posted? It's quite visible and not minor.

 

[Montelo]

i just realized im even having frametime spikes in Furmark

i tested the psu and it was a little bit over the normal voltage atleast my friend told me so the mainboard cable for example was at 12.3V

 

[pavle]

i just realized im even having frametime spikes in Furmark View attachment 406000

i tested the psu and it was a little bit over the normal voltage atleast my friend told me so the mainboard cable for example was at 12.3V

That's alright / in specs; it's + or - 5% for 12V and + or - 10% for 3.3 and 5V.

 

[Montelo]

So i testing the Ryzen 5700x3d now, it seems like Counter Strike for example runs better now maybe only a few small microstutters

But for example im still getting stutters on Games like Elden Ring Nightreign or Baldurs Gate 3

https://imgur.com/a/OpWQS4H

https://imgur.com/a/moGepzd

 

[phanbuey]

So i testing the Ryzen 5700x3d now, it seems like Counter Strike for example runs better now maybe only a few small microstutters

But for example im still getting stutters on Games like Elden Ring Nightreign or Baldurs Gate 3

https://imgur.com/a/OpWQS4H

https://imgur.com/a/moGepzd

that tracks - the stuttering wouldn't be coming from the cpu - the 3dcache and the wider cpu certainly help, but the issue is caused by some other component - likely mobo/bios.

 

[Montelo]

that tracks - the stuttering wouldn't be coming from the cpu - the 3dcache and the wider cpu certainly help, but the issue is caused by some other component - likely mobo/bios.

well now is the thing would it be worth to try a different am4 mainboard (since they are not really expensive) or switch to am5

 

[phanbuey]

well now is the thing would it be worth to try a different am4 mainboard (since they are not really expensive) or switch to am5

I would spend the time to maximize the chance that you will eliminate the stutter.

AM5 non X3D is more stuttery in my experience than intel - your most likely elimination to stutter is to go LGA1700 - which is why everyone said to get 14600k.

New AM4 board - might work, good chance it won't.
New AM5 board - will likely work, but still has lower lows than LGA1700 for non-x3d chips.
Used LGA1700 - Cheapest option, higher mins, highest chance to eliminate stutter.

 

[Montelo]

I would spend the time to maximize the chance that you will eliminate the stutter.

AM5 non X3D is more stuttery in my experience than intel - your most likely elimination to stutter is to go LGA1700 - which is why everyone said to get 14600k.

New AM4 board - might work, good chance it won't.
New AM5 board - will likely work, but still has lower lows than LGA1700 for non-x3d chips.
Used LGA1700 - Cheapest option, higher mins, highest chance to eliminate stutter.

well what else could i try to eliminate the stutters

 

[phanbuey]

well what else could i try to eliminate the stutters

install a different version of windows.

try different bios versions.

 

[Montelo]

install a different version of windows.

try different bios versions.

i tried a different bios version today i think there are only 2 or 3 left i didnt try yet

 

[Pets4Ever]

well what else could i try to eliminate the stutters

I'd see if you can limit your keyboard's 8000mhz polling rate to 1000mhz just in case it's causing an I/O bottleneck. I've heard of people having weird USB issues with AMD

 

[dgianstefani]

I'd see if you can limit your keyboard's 8000mhz polling rate to 1000mhz just in case it's causing an I/O bottleneck. I've heard of people having weird USB issues with AMD

It's just Hz, MHz is a much higher number.

 

[Montelo]

I'd see if you can limit your keyboard's 8000mhz polling rate to 1000mhz just in case it's causing an I/O bottleneck. I've heard of people having weird USB issues with AMD

im not sure where i can lower the hz im not seeing an option sadly

Wooting 60HE

 

[dgianstefani]

im not sure where i can lower the hz im not seeing an option sadly

Wooting 60HE

Unless it's V2 which only just released, it's not 8000 Hz. You can check in wootility web.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So i testing the Ryzen 5700x3d now, it seems like Counter Strike for example runs better now maybe only a few small microstutters

But for example im still getting stutters on Games like Elden Ring Nightreign or Baldurs Gate 3

https://imgur.com/a/OpWQS4H

https://imgur.com/a/moGepzd

Baldurs Gate 3 is the most concerning of those 3 the From software engine used in Nightreign is trash and it being an online game reliant on server connectivity introduces too much variables.

It's interesting CSgo is ok now but BGIII isn't.

Very interested to see what happens with the 14600KF.

The few things you can try is a clean install of w11 24h2 it's been fantastic for me on all my Ryzen systems but others have had issues with it so ymmv.

Enabling docp but dropping your ram 200/400MTs so 3200/3000 if it's 3600 just for science but running with defaults should have been good enough still worth a try if you haven't already.

Disable Bluetooth/wireless connectivity in device manager. Long shot but I've had BT be the culprit of weird performance degradation.

If none of that works definitely the 14600KF.

Also not sure what people are smoking but rocket lake specifically the 11600k and lower had similar 1% low performance to Zen3 when both were properly configured according to every reputable review ive seen. So this definitely isn't a Ryzen 5000 specific issue. The only rocket lake chip I had hands on was an 11500 and it was definitely worse than a 5800X at both averages and 1% low using the same 3600 CL14 memory running in the ideal gear 1 on the 11500 and 1/1 on the zen 3 chip. I could not get gear 1 to work at 3800 maybe that would have helped and some higher tier chips could do 4000 I believe but I doubt that is relevant to the OP issue regardless.

 

[Montelo]

I would spend the time to maximize the chance that you will eliminate the stutter.

AM5 non X3D is more stuttery in my experience than intel - your most likely elimination to stutter is to go LGA1700 - which is why everyone said to get 14600k.

New AM4 board - might work, good chance it won't.
New AM5 board - will likely work, but still has lower lows than LGA1700 for non-x3d chips.
Used LGA1700 - Cheapest option, higher mins, highest chance to eliminate stutter.

i just ordered a msi am4 board(newer version than a friend of mine has he has no problems at all with a 5700x3d no stutters nothing) at this point it doesnt matter im gonna try everything, if that doesnt help there is something else but that would make no sense since i legit tested every part nearly

EDIT:

got this one, if it doesnt help it just means extra work but at this point whatever i have to do everything i can

 

[oxrufiioxo]

i just ordered a msi am4 board(newer version than a friend of mine has he has no problems at all with a 5700x3d no stutters nothing) at this point it doesnt matter im gonna try everything, if that doesnt help there is something else but that would make no sense since i legit tested every part nearly

I know it's frustrating but hang in there, unfortunately this is part of the DIY journey for some hopefully you come out at at the end of the tunnel better becuase of it. I'm sure whatever your next build after this one will factor in everything you've learned.

Like I always say we win some we lose some.

Just keep us updated.

 

[Montelo]

I know it's frustrating but hang in there, unfortunately this is part of the DIY journey for some hopefully you come out at at the end of the tunnel better becuase of it. I'm sure whatever your next build after this one will factor in everything you've learned.

Like I always say we win some we lose some.

Just keep us updated.

will do the Mainboard should come tomorrow, but i wont switch it tomorrow since it will be 36°C im really happy with the 5700x3d though the FPS in League and CS2 are really good now i just need to remove those stutters and it would be perfect

 

[oxrufiioxo]

will do, the Mainboard should come tomorrow, but i wont switch it tomorrow since it will be 36°C im really happy with the 5700x3d though the FPS in League and CS2 are really good now i just need to remove those stutters and it would be perfect

I've done 6 builds with it and the 5800X3D definitely a fantastic cpu. Crossing my fingers the board fixes your issue.

Just make sure you do a clean install of windows when you get the new board. I always install the chipset driver first directly from AMD then update all other drivers and double check in device manager that they actually updated.

 

[phanbuey]

I've always had good luck with MSI boards... running one right now with no stutters.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've always had good luck with MSI boards... running one right now with no stutters.

Me too but I've honestly used gigabyte boards the most, specifically the elite line and they've all been fantastic.

B450 MSI really cooked, X570 not so much but the X570 max series and B550 they were great. I still have Gigabyte Gaming boards from zen 1 era still going strong though 8 years later.

That's the thing with any hardware somtimes we just get the unlucky bug somtimes we don't