Intel Core i7 Processor Models and Pricing Revealed!

[blueskynis]

Aren't they running a little hotter than the rest of quads?

 

[farlex85]

Lots of Cache and its a very fast stock speed Quad Core.

K, but that's still not gonna make much difference in games. You'd still be better off w/ a e8400 @ $150, which you will probably never see a qx at. And even then, the difference is minimal, gpu is the important factor. And you know, the extremes are just more expensive brethren of the regular q's, which are clocked the same and have the same cache. Extremes are made specifically for overclocking, w/ their unlocked multi. And even with all of that, i7 is faster clock for clock than core 2. So, when the bechies come out, don't be surprised to see that, yes, i7 will likely be faster for gaming (although not by much).

Aren't they running a little hotter than the rest of quads?

Where's that info? I haven't read anything about that. They could be, but there really hasn't been anything one way or the other yet on that I don't think.

 

[cdawall]

This meaning what? Referring to the vdimm vcore link? I don't buy it. The verdict is still out on oc'ing. Hopefully we'll get some full tests soon, even though I won't be getting this for some time........

more along the lines of the same issues amd had with its 1st onboard controller remember s754 and clawhammer? massive limit on the ram speeds 240 max for 1:1 with the ram

Unless it comes with an unlocked multi.

that will still be reserved for extreme chips if intel is still well intel

It seems like that may have to be the case. From early reports qpi can't be taken above it's default 133 clock and remain stable. So, w/ a locked mulit, this would mean virtually no oc at all, and I don't think intel would be that dumb (although I guess I don't really know). Also, there seem to be other advantages of the extreme chip besides the multi this time, namely the faster bandwidth on the qpi. Also, turbo mode, in which one or more cores turn off to oc the others, would require some sort of multi changing I would think to derive higher clock speeds. So, this is going to be a little different methinks........

this is kinda what i meant how can you oc if the chip becomes unstable when you oc past 133? and if intel leaves the multi locked what can you oc?

 

[farlex85]

this is kinda what i meant how can you oc if the chip becomes unstable when you oc past 133? and if intel leaves the multi locked what can you oc?

Could be tough to oc, I was just saying we can't really know yet until we get some full reviews. You'd think intel would learn from those chipsets, but you never know. I was just reading some stuff over at anandtech, and again that turbo mode is really the only thing we've seen of oc'ing as of yet. It seems to imply the multi will be raised 1 or more do derive a 133mhz (or multiples of the bus clock) or more increase. This seems to indicate the multi is being raised. And this is a function on all i7's, so unless it's entirely automatic and not able to be manually controlled (which may well be the case), it leads me to believe they may have unlocked muliti's. Couldn't say for sure though, lots of info in that article.

 

[cdawall]

Could be tough to oc, I was just saying we can't really know yet until we get some full reviews. You'd think intel would learn from those chipsets, but you never know. I was just reading some stuff over at anandtech, and again that turbo mode is really the only thing we've seen of oc'ing as of yet. It seems to imply the multi will be raised 1 or more do derive a 133mhz (or multiples of the bus clock) or more increase. This seems to indicate the multi is being raised. And this is a function on all i7's, so unless it's entirely automatic and not able to be manually controlled (which may well be the case), it leads me to believe they may have unlocked muliti's. Couldn't say for sure though, lots of info in that article.

hmmm it does look like they are unlocked...but that brings up the question how far and like you said is it only automatic or is there some from of manual control

 

[blueskynis]

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Where's that info? I haven't read anything about that. They could be, but there really hasn't been anything one way or the other yet on that I don't think.

...I meant because of higher TDP, Q9650 has TDP of 95W and QX9650 has TDP of 130W.

 

[farlex85]

...I meant because of higher TDP, Q9650 has TDP of 95W and QX9650 has TDP of 130W.

Maybe. We'll have to see, they may be able to handle more heat too. Full reviews should answer that as well as the oc question.

 

[Morgoth]

i7 TDP is 130watt
bloomfield 3.20ghz for me

 

[aCid888*]

The fact that both the i7 920 and i7 940 have the same QuickPath Speed worries me, when the 940 is 270MHz higher clocked....yet the i7 965 also 270MHz higher clocked than the 940 and gets another 1600MT/s on top of the others 4800MT/s.

I can understand retarding the performance, but at least make it worth while to get the 940 over the 920 if you don't plan to OC (in that case you may be insane) and give the 940 some more powoarrrrrrrrrrrrrr apart from just 270MHz more for almost double (!!!!!!!! DOUBLE !!!!!!!!) the price of the 920.

 

[Abu Assar]

huh !?!

Ci7 965 vs Ci7 920:
20% more mhz for 250% more the price !?

on the other hand , I'm waiting for AMD phenom deneb

 

[farlex85]

The fact that both the i7 920 and i7 940 have the same QuickPath Speed worries me, when the 940 is 270MHz higher clocked....yet the i7 965 also 270MHz higher clocked than the 940 and gets another 1600MT/s on top of the others 4800MT/s.

I can understand retarding the performance, but at least make it worth while to get the 940 over the 920 if you don't plan to OC (in that case you may be insane) and give the 940 some more powoarrrrrrrrrrrrrr apart from just 270MHz more for almost double (!!!!!!!! DOUBLE !!!!!!!!) the price of the 920.

huh !?!

Ci7 965 vs Ci7 920:
20% more mhz for 250% more the price !?

on the other hand , I'm waiting for AMD phenom deneb

That's intel for you. Nothing new there, their extremes are a rip-off.

 

[CDdude55]

K, but that's still not gonna make much difference in games. You'd still be better off w/ a e8400 @ $150, which you will probably never see a qx at. And even then, the difference is minimal, gpu is the important factor. And you know, the extremes are just more expensive brethren of the regular q's, which are clocked the same and have the same cache. Extremes are made specifically for overclocking, w/ their unlocked multi. And even with all of that, i7 is faster clock for clock than core 2. So, when the bechies come out, don't be surprised to see that, yes, i7 will likely be faster for gaming (although not by much).




Where's that info? I haven't read anything about that. They could be, but there really hasn't been anything one way or the other yet on that I don't think.

I guess i should get a Q6600 then, but i dont OC.

 

[CDdude55]

Because the Core i7 is going to be very expensive. and i think most Core 2 Quad's can keep up with the Core i7. But for things that really use Quad then the core i7 will be betrtrer.

 

[farlex85]

I guess i should get a Q6600 then, but i dont OC.

Because the Core i7 is going to be very expensive. and i think most Core 2 Quad's can keep up with the Core i7. But for things that really use Quad then the core i7 will be betrtrer.

No since you have repeatedly stated you just play games and you don't oc, a high clocked wolfdale (e8x00) would be by far your best choice. No contest. A core 2 quad would be a waste, and nehalem, as you said, will be expensive. It depends on whether they can keep up, just watch for benchies and prices, maybe down the road i7 may look pretty good to you for games........

 

[PCpraiser100]

No since you have repeatedly stated you just play games and you don't oc, a high clocked wolfdale (e8x00) would be by far your best choice. No contest. A core 2 quad would be a waste. It depends on whether they can keep up, just watch for benchies and prices.

not exactly, the Core 2 Duo 45nm CPUs works so much better than the Core 2 Quads, mainly because that there is two cores so less heat and more transistors and cache. I'm still waiting about the Phenom 22nm's development as dispite that it sounds almost crazy AMD could save itself because since AMD and Intel have been slowly descending their processes by 10nm, AMD wanted to go for gold for its customers by saying "f*ck it" to make a more dramatic difference in Phenoms next generation. On my previous mention about 22nm or 32nm satisfaction, I'm saying that because the overclocking would be for everyone if any user can afford it once Intel takes a chill pill over pricing. I'm not agreeing with i7's release just yet as I'm suspecting that revision will be made to lower that slightly overkill TDP.

 

[erocker]

not exactly, the Core 2 Duo 45nm CPUs works so much better than the Core 2 Quads, mainly because that there is two cores so less heat and more transistors and cache. I'm still waiting about the Phenom 22nm's development as dispite that it sounds almost crazy AMD could save itself because since AMD and Intel have been slowly descending their processes by 10nm, AMD wanted to go for gold for its customers by saying "f*ck it" and going for gold to make a more dramatic difference in Phenoms next generation. On my previous mention about 22nm or 32nm satisfaction, I'm saying that because the overclocking would be for everyone of any user can afford it. I'm not agreeing with i7's release just yet as I'm suspecting that revision will be made to lower that slightly overkill TDP.

Intel 45nm chips run hotter. For gaming, I agree the e8x00 series would be better for a non-oc'er due to higher stock clocks. Then again, I don't understand why someone would go out and buy a premium (oc) motherboard, ram, etc... and not overclock it other than wanting to waste thier own money.

 

[farlex85]

not exactly, the Core 2 Duo 45nm CPUs works so much better than the Core 2 Quads, mainly because that there is two cores so less heat and more transistors and cache. I'm still waiting about the Phenom 22nm's development as dispite that it sounds almost crazy AMD could save itself because since AMD and Intel have been slowly descending their processes by 10nm, AMD wanted to go for gold for its customers by saying "f*ck it" to make a more dramatic difference in Phenoms next generation. On my previous mention about 22nm or 32nm satisfaction, I'm saying that because the overclocking would be for everyone if any user can afford it once Intel takes a chill pill over pricing. I'm not agreeing with i7's release just yet as I'm suspecting that revision will be made to lower that slightly overkill TDP.

45nm core 2 duos don't work better than core 2 quads, they are just generally capable of higher speeds. Since games don't effectively use 4 cores, the faster speeds on the duos are more practical if that is the only situation one is using their computer for.

Intel 45nm chips run hotter. For gaming, I agree the e8x00 series would be better for a non-oc'er due to higher stock clocks. Then again, I don't understand why someone would go out and buy a premium (oc) motherboard, ram, etc... and not overclock it other than wanting to waste thier own money.

Me neither, I don't really understand at all.........

 

[PCpraiser100]

I guess the 45nms were stuffed with too many transistors. As for the mobos, so true, unless if they want features. When I looked at the P5Q series, I found the features overkill when it came to hardrives or even USB. Anyway, before I get off topic, People buy x38 and x48s mobos because of better OC and of course the dramatic difference in performance when Xfire is enabled at a x16/x16 link instead of the crappy x8/x8 or x8/x4 links. That interests me a lot for the fact that it gave the HD 4850s an extre 10-15 frames on Crysis compared to the other mobo links. As for OC, looking for a motherboard with a hackable BIOs and a moddable arcitecture should fit the demands pretty well. As for quad-core support, it will be nice if they made games run for that so the Phenoms could take the title.

 

[CDdude55]

My board doesnt support 45nm tho, only the 65nm Quads, Extremes and Duos.

 

[CDdude55]

Intel 45nm chips run hotter. For gaming, I agree the e8x00 series would be better for a non-oc'er due to higher stock clocks. Then again, I don't understand why someone would go out and buy a premium (oc) motherboard, ram, etc... and not overclock it other than wanting to waste thier own money.

Well that depends, you normally dont buy a board only because it OC's well(unless you really want to get the clock up there, or you just want a good stable board when OCed). Some people buy the higher end board for the better features, better stability and can support higher clocked RAM.

 

[CDdude55]

I dont feel as if i got ripped off in anyway, and if people think so, then good for them i got what i wanted and it performed and had the features the way i wanted it to.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

Im betting the mobo's for the new i7's are going to be expensive, like real expensive. Having to triple path the DDR on the PCB is going to cost tons more to manufacture.

 

[farlex85]

My board doesnt support 45nm tho, only the 65nm Quads, Extremes and Duos.

Yes it does, we've been over that.........

Well that depends, you normally dont buy a board only because it OC's well(unless you really want to get the clock up there, or you just want a good stable board when OCed). Some people buy the higher end board for the better features, better stability and can support higher clocked RAM.

There are many features you look for in a board, chief among them here will be overclock ability and ability to use multiple cards. That's almost entirely what goes into selecting chipsets, from there other features such as memory speed vary between boards and vendors w/ the same chipset.

I dont feel as if i got ripped off in anyway, and if people think so, then good for them i got what i wanted and it performed and had the features the way i wanted it to.

Ignorance is bliss. Although intentionally rejecting info is, well, that's something else all together. Please use the edit button to condense all posts into one rather than triple posting.

 

[CDdude55]

1Ya i forgot about that, but i recall i did say that i dont do BIOS updates either.


2. Ya i said most of that, but i understand that since TPU has mostly users that OC there system then the obvious pick would be a great OCing mobo. But need to realize that thats not what everyone does and that i am happy with a non OCed CPU, and yes that is taking in all of users opinions and facts of why OCing is the better option and is a money saver in the end, i am in no way saying there wrong, but i am not going to just give in to OCing because everyone else on the forums is doing it or because they say it's the better option, Just because i feel like i got my moneys worth doesn't mean i am trying to not listen to what people are trying to say, trust me i have had tons of people bark at me about OCing here and on the Hardforums. And i take in all of there opinions with respect of what they like to do, i just like keeping my CPU at stock, it has yet to fail me, and has run my games properly without a hitch. . I just dont find that ignorant....sorry.


3.No need to get uppity, and i am sorry for the posts, i normally don't look at the edit button so i just do a post, i will be looking at the edit button a little more now..

Also, i respect all that you have to say, you have helped me times before.

 

[farlex85]

1Ya i forgot about that, but i recall i did say that i dont do BIOS updates either.


2. Ya i said most of that, but i understand that since TPU has mostly users that OC there system then the obvious pick would be a great OCing mobo. But need to realize that thats not what everyone does and that i am happy with a non OCed CPU, and yes that is taking in all of users opinions and facts of why OCing is the better option and is a money saver in the end, i am in no way saying there wrong, but i am not going to just give in to OCing because everyone else on the forums is doing it or because they say it's the better option, Just because i feel like i got my moneys worth doesn't mean i am trying to not listen to what people are trying to say, trust me i have had tons of people bark at me about OCing here and on the Hardforums. And i take in all of there opinions with respect of what they like to do, i just like keeping my CPU at stock, it has yet to fail me, and has run my games properly without a hitch. . I just dont find that ignorant....sorry.


3.No need to get uppity, and i am sorry for the posts, i normally don't look at the edit button so i just do a post, i will be looking at the edit button a little more now..

Also, i respect all that you have to say, you have helped me times before.

It's all good man I'm sorry if I seemed uppity, that wasn't my intent. I know we've been over this before, I just can't help it, cause I really don't get it, but I didn't mean offense. It's up to you though most assuredly.