• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper "Summit Ridge" Dies are Heavily Binned

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,283 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
AMD revealed that the pair of 8-core "Summit Ridge" dies that make up the Ryzen Threadripper multi-chip module are heavily binned. AMD hand-selects the top-5% highest performing "Summit Ridge" dies for Ryzen Threadripper manufacturing, which makes these chips of a higher grade than even what AMD sets aside for Ryzen 7-series socket AM4 chips.

AMD requires the highest grade "Summit Ridge" dies to use in Threadripper chips, to keep electrical leakage to the minimum, so the chips can run as cool as possible, with the least power-draw. Choosing the best dies could also ensure that Threadripper chips have the highest overclocking-headroom taking into account other electrical and thermal constraints. A 7-series chip such as the 1800X could still achieve higher clocks than a Threadripper chip, in that sense.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Jan 18, 2006
Messages
1,849 (0.28/day)
System Name Air Cooled Caselabs BH8
Processor Intel Coffee Lake 8700K @ 4.7
Motherboard MSI Gaming M5
Cooling Noctua D15s, 5x 140mm Noctua Chromax, 1x 120mm Noctua Chromax, 2x 80mm Noctua fans
Memory G. Skill Trident Z RGB series 3200mhz
Video Card(s) ASUS STRIX GTX 1080
Storage Samsung EVO 840 250gb SSD, Samung EVO PRO 256gb SSD, 2 TB WD Black Edition HDD.
Display(s) 24" Asus Gaming ROG 144hz
Case Black Caselabs BH8
Power Supply 850w EVGA SuperNOVA G2 Gold PSU with individually sleeved black cables
Mouse Logitech Wireless G403
Keyboard Corsair Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 10
"which makes them chips."

I think you mean "which makes their chips?"
 
Joined
May 28, 2005
Messages
4,994 (0.73/day)
Location
South of England
System Name Box of Distraction
Processor Ryzen 7 1800X
Motherboard Crosshair VI Hero
Cooling Custom watercooling
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 2x8GB @ 3466MHz CL14 1T
Video Card(s) EVGA 1080Ti FE. WC'd & TDP limit increased to 360W.
Storage Samsung 960 Evo 500GB & WD Black 2TB storage drive.
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 1440P 165hz Gsync
Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Audio Device(s) Phillips Fidelio X2 headphones / basic Bose speakers
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 750W G3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 6.0 (mx red switches)
Software Win 10 & Linux Mint
Benchmark Scores https://hwbot.org/user/infrared
We've been expecting this from the beginning, makes sense. It's good to have it confirmed by AMD.
 
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
555 (0.18/day)
Location
In the middle of nowhere
System Name Scrapped Parts, Unite !
Processor Ryzen 5 3600 @4.0 Ghz
Motherboard MSI B450-A Pro MAX
Cooling Stock
Memory Team Group Elite 16 GB 3133Mhz
Video Card(s) Colorful iGame GeForce GTX1060 Vulcan U 6G
Storage Hitachi 500 GB, Sony 1TB, KINGSTON 400A 120GB // Samsung 160 GB
Display(s) HP 2009f
Case Xigmatek Asgard Pro // Cooler Master Centurion 5
Power Supply OCZ ModXStream Pro 500 W
Mouse Logitech G102
Software Windows 10 x64
Benchmark Scores Minesweeper 30fps, Tetris 40 fps, with overheated CPU and GPU
how many hours left till NDA for benchmark result end?
 
Joined
May 25, 2008
Messages
540 (0.09/day)
System Name His - Hers - Guest - Guest - Guest
Processor 2700X - i7 5960x - i7 990x - 930 -i7 870 - i7 870
Motherboard MSI B450 ITX - Evga X99 - X58 - x58 - P55 FTW 200's
Memory 16GB - 8G
Video Card(s) Radeon VII - GTX770 x 3
Storage SSD
Display(s) 4K
Case Antec 1200, 1200, 900, 900
Power Supply Antec 1200 watt
Software Windows 7 Windows 10
Benchmark Scores Who cares
Ryzen chips cost is .44/$
 
Joined
Dec 22, 2011
Messages
3,890 (0.87/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
Motherboard MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK
Cooling AMD Wraith Prism
Memory Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16
Video Card(s) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE
Storage Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse
Display(s) Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED
Case Antec 1200
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX-850
Mouse Razer Deathadder Chroma
Keyboard Logitech UltraX
Software Windows 11
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
545 (0.18/day)
Location
Here
System Name Skypas
Processor Intel Core i7-6700
Motherboard Asus H170 Pro Gaming
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212X Turbo
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB + WD Blue 1TB
Display(s) LG 22EA63V
Case Corsair Carbide 400Q
Power Supply Seasonic SS-460FL2 w/ Deepcool XFan 120
Mouse Logitech B100
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K70
Software Windows 10 Pro (to be replaced by 2025)
AMD and chips in the same sentence remind me of this
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
17,866 (3.00/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Black 4TB | WD Blue 6TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) | Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair AX1600i
Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard Yes
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
I can't wait for some enthusiast to unlock the hidden 16 cores and unleash a monster! Intel's reaction to that will be very interesting to see.

I'm also pretty much on tenterhooks for the reviews. We've been waiting for this kind of competition for more than a decade now.
 
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
545 (0.18/day)
Location
Here
System Name Skypas
Processor Intel Core i7-6700
Motherboard Asus H170 Pro Gaming
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212X Turbo
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB + WD Blue 1TB
Display(s) LG 22EA63V
Case Corsair Carbide 400Q
Power Supply Seasonic SS-460FL2 w/ Deepcool XFan 120
Mouse Logitech B100
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K70
Software Windows 10 Pro (to be replaced by 2025)
Joined
Apr 5, 2017
Messages
13 (0.01/day)
System Name Dell Inspiron 15 7000 Series 7559 Laptop
Processor Intel Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
Memory 16gb SODIMM
Video Card(s) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M/Intel HD Graphics 530
Storage 500gb Samsung Evo 850
Display(s) 15.6 FHD
Audio Device(s) Realtek Audio
Software Windows 10 Creators update v1703 build 15063
reviews now trickling in...seems that initial reviews are confirming the price/performance crown for AMD...and let's see what Intel will offer to ebb the AMD TR wave.

mighty time to build a new HEDT rig :D
 
Joined
Aug 2, 2011
Messages
1,448 (0.31/day)
Processor Ryzen 9 7950X3D
Motherboard MSI X670E MPG Carbon Wifi
Cooling Custom loop, 2x360mm radiator,Lian Li UNI, EK XRes140,EK Velocity2
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill DDR5-6400 @ 6400MHz C32
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra OC Scanner core +750 mem
Storage MP600 2TB,960 EVO 1TB,XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB,Micron 1100 2TB,OCZ Vector 512GB,1.5TB Caviar Green
Display(s) Acer X34S, Acer XB270HU
Case LianLi O11 Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) Logitech G-Pro X Wireless
Power Supply EVGA P3 1200W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Logitech G512 Carbon w/ GX Brown
VR HMD HP Reverb G2 (V2)
Software Win 11
I can't wait for some enthusiast to unlock the hidden 16 cores and unleash a monster! Intel's reaction to that will be very interesting to see.

I'm also pretty much on tenterhooks for the reviews. We've been waiting for this kind of competition for more than a decade now.

Hidden 16 cores? Two dies are blank silicon, two are actual dies with cores.
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
17,866 (3.00/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Black 4TB | WD Blue 6TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) | Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair AX1600i
Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard Yes
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Hidden 16 cores? Two dies are blank silicon, two are actual dies with cores.
How do you know they're blank silicon and not disabled cores?
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.27/day)
I can't wait for some enthusiast to unlock the hidden 16 cores and unleash a monster! Intel's reaction to that will be very interesting to see.
There will be no "unlocking". And even if it happened, Intel wouldn't have to react.
I'm also pretty much on tenterhooks for the reviews. We've been waiting for this kind of competition for more than a decade now.
You can't be serious.
We're still talking about a very tiny niche.
The reason why Intel seems to have given up on X299 is... they don't care. AMD can have the "PC Enthusiast" segment.

Now... the workstation segment is something entirely different. It will be interesting to see how Intel reacts with workstation-oriented Xeons.
BTW: does Threadripper have security features from Ryzen PRO? Because if not, ECC might not be enough to make it successful in business.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
1,793 (0.49/day)
How do you know they're blank silicon and not disabled cores?

Even if they are real cores, you can't use them with x399. Platform lacks memory channels needed for them(Every ryzen chip inside threadripper needs two memory channels).
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,680 (4.29/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores
Processor 2990WX
Motherboard Asrock X399M
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL
Memory 4x16GB G.Skill 3600
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller
Keyboard Keychron K8
Software W10P
We've been expecting this from the beginning, makes sense. It's good to have it confirmed by AMD.

Yea I called this day one Lol. Mainstream always gets the lowest bins...
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,728 (1.68/day)
reviews now trickling in...seems that initial reviews are confirming the price/performance crown for AMD...and let's see what Intel will offer to ebb the AMD TR wave.

mighty time to build a new HEDT rig :D
perf/$ as well as perf/W in most cases.
Yea I called this day one Lol. Mainstream always gets the lowest bins...
I wouldn;t call the 1700 (non X) a low binned part.
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
17,866 (3.00/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Black 4TB | WD Blue 6TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) | Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair AX1600i
Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard Yes
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
There will be no "unlocking". And even if it happened, Intel wouldn't have to react.

You can't be serious.
We're still talking about a very tiny niche.
The reason why Intel seems to have given up on X299 is... they don't care. AMD can have the "PC Enthusiast" segment.

Now... the workstation segment is something entirely different. It will be interesting to see how Intel reacts with workstation-oriented Xeons.
BTW: does Threadripper have security features from Ryzen PRO? Because if not, ECC might not be enough to make it successful in business.
Yes, I can be serious and I really don't like your tone towards me. Always unpleasant so how about you lighten up a bit eh? No need for unpleasantness regardless of who's technical point is right or wrong.

I think Intel will care about the gaming market, even a niche one as it's all about prestige and image, which helps to bring in the sales. Intel won't invest big money on bringing out a new platform they "don't care about", that's just silly. More likely they're not sure how to react to the Threadripper threat which is why we have these anomalies with Skylake-X and the next generation will be much better.

I've since read the review below linked to by Fluffmeister above which shows AMD caning Intel in productivity performance, so Intel very much has something to worry about there. This appears to be an official review too, so likely the others will be similar. Personally, I just wish that Ryzen's IPC was better than Intel's, which would then deliver an all-round killer product. The way things are going, that might actually happen one day.

How can you say for certain that AMD won't allow their CPUs to be unlocked? On what authority are you basing that on, or is that just your opinion? I'm saying maybe/hopefully and that's the best we can do at the moment.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1465-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-1920x

Even if they are real cores, you can't use them with x399. Platform lacks memory channels needed for them(Every ryzen chip inside threadripper needs two memory channels).
Ok that's a fair point. So EPYC must have twice the memory channels then?
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,680 (4.29/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores
Processor 2990WX
Motherboard Asrock X399M
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL
Memory 4x16GB G.Skill 3600
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller
Keyboard Keychron K8
Software W10P
Joined
Feb 11, 2009
Messages
5,389 (0.98/day)
System Name Cyberline
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k -> 12600k
Motherboard Asus P8P67 LE Rev 3.0 -> Gigabyte Z690 Auros Elite DDR4
Cooling Tuniq Tower 120 -> Custom Watercoolingloop
Memory Corsair (4x2) 8gb 1600mhz -> Crucial (8x2) 16gb 3600mhz
Video Card(s) AMD RX480 -> ... nope still the same :'(
Storage Samsung 750 Evo 250gb SSD + WD 1tb x 2 + WD 2tb -> 2tb MVMe SSD
Display(s) Philips 32inch LPF5605H (television) -> Dell S3220DGF
Case antec 600 -> Thermaltake Tenor HTCP case
Audio Device(s) Focusrite 2i4 (USB)
Power Supply Seasonic 620watt 80+ Platinum
Mouse Elecom EX-G
Keyboard Rapoo V700
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
I want a 1950x badly.... :(
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
1,793 (0.49/day)
Ok that's a fair point. So EPYC must have twice the memory channels then?

Like cdawall said epyc has 8 memory channels(even on 8-core epyc). Well I said wrong about it needing two for every chip, it can work single channel too. But x399 platform's has no physical routing for disabled memory channels. So it would need epyc motherboard for getting those work if they are real disabled cores and you can somehow activate them.
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,914 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
I'm also pretty much on tenterhooks for the reviews. We've been waiting for this kind of competition for more than a decade now.

Massively faster than 7900X in most multithreaded apps (depending on the program), about Ryzen speeds in games (except Civ6 which doesn't like many cores at all, so AMD has a feature to turn some of the cores off, in software, which is neat) and single threaded stuff. So as expected.
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,680 (4.29/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores
Processor 2990WX
Motherboard Asrock X399M
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL
Memory 4x16GB G.Skill 3600
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller
Keyboard Keychron K8
Software W10P
Like cdawall said epyc has 8 memory channels(even on 8-core epyc). Well I said wrong about it needing two for every chip, it can work single channel too. But x399 platform's has no physical routing for disabled memory channels. So it would need epyc motherboard for getting those work if they are real disabled cores and you can somehow activate them.

The only way threadripper is getting 32 cores on the current board is for amd to release 16 core dies. Until then they are at their limit on this socket. It was never wired for 4 dies.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
1,793 (0.49/day)
The only way threadripper is getting 32 cores on the current board is for amd to release 16 core dies. Until then they are at their limit on this socket. It was never wired for 4 dies.

Yeah that was what I said. Epyc server motherboards have physically same socket(socket sp3 has same layout as socket TR4), but it's not compatible with TR -processors(maybe because disabled cores/or software limitation).
 
Joined
Sep 2, 2011
Messages
1,019 (0.22/day)
Location
Porto
System Name No name / Purple Haze
Processor Phenom II 1100T @ 3.8Ghz / Pentium 4 3.4 EE Gallatin @ 3.825Ghz
Motherboard MSI 970 Gaming/ Abit IC7-MAX3
Cooling CM Hyper 212X / Scythe Andy Samurai Master (CPU) - Modded Ati Silencer 5 rev. 2 (GPU)
Memory 8GB GEIL GB38GB2133C10ADC + 8GB G.Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL / 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000
Video Card(s) Asus R9 Fury X Strix (4096 SP's/1050 Mhz)/ PowerColor X850XT PE @ (600/1230) AGP + (HD3850 AGP)
Storage Samsung 250 GB / WD Caviar 160GB
Display(s) Benq XL2411T
Audio Device(s) motherboard / Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro + Front panel
Power Supply Tagan BZ 900W / Corsair HX620w
Mouse Zowie AM
Keyboard Qpad MK-50
Software Windows 7 Pro 64Bit / Windows XP
Benchmark Scores 64CU Fury: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11269229 / X850XT PE http://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5532432
Like cdawall said epyc has 8 memory channels(even on 8-core epyc). Well I said wrong about it needing two for every chip, it can work single channel too. But x399 platform's has no physical routing for disabled memory channels. So it would need epyc motherboard for getting those work if they are real disabled cores and you can somehow activate them.

Those 2 dies are not disabled, they are blank pieces of silicon, just spacers, amd themselves confirmed this. According to the die layout it wouldn't make much sense being failed epyc cpus.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
1,793 (0.49/day)
Those 2 dies are not disabled, they are blank pieces of silicon, just spacers, amd themselves confirmed this. According to the die layout it wouldn't make much sense being failed epyc cpus.

Yeah of course, that should be common knowledge by now. I think that processor Der8auer delidded might have been ES sample made from 32 core epyc processor, thus all the theories of unlocking cores. But yeah how to recognize blank piece of silicon by only eyes from real deal(Well microscope, or enough MPix on camera to get die shot should do the trick).
 
Top