How does a post being qualified as "low quality"?

[qubit]

Anyone posting here knows exactly what a low quality post is.

Precisely. Personally, I trust mods to have the proper judgement on this one, regular members, no.

 

[xkm1948]

Precisely. Personally, I trust mods to have the proper judgement on this one, regular members, no.

You have an aweful lot of faith in mods. I'd rather trust our AI overlords.

 

[qubit]

You have an aweful lot of faith in mods. I'd rather trust our AI overlords.

Sure, no one's perfect, but they have higher standards to adhere to as reps of TPU and I think that by and large they will do this properly. I remember how I felt that difference when I used to write for TPU and I didn't even have mod powers.

 

[yesyesloud]

Even as a casual member devoid of fictional importance such as an amazing set of stars concealing all my forehead skin, I shall declare it's fairly suspicious that posts started to collapse in the news section, among the comments of a very very special article.

Spoilers: nobody cares that neither do I but here you go some fun facts.

The innovation establishment rather "folded" in a very punctual fashion. It could have begun anywhere else but it hasn't for some noble reason, I'm sure.

As a selfproclaimed ridiculous individual, I'M DA BEAST at spotting yooge ridiculousness. It's as ridiculous as it gets, not that I'd ever mind being moderated in any way. Pretty docile temperament, here.

Plus, a lot of people spark the silly name calling spirit from their high horses and then pretend toxicity happened out of the blue. I sometimes don't get why people get directly insulted in all ways, shapes and forms, first, and then are claimed to be the insulting ones upon mere reaction. Maxing out our stars can sometimes cover not only our foreheads but also our eyes. Sad, sad :~~

 

[R-T-B]

Even as a casual member devoid of fictional importance such as an amazing set of stars concealing all my forehead skin, I shall declare it's fairly suspicious that posts started to collapse in the news section, among the comments of a very very special article.

Spoilers: nobody cares that neither do I but here you go some fun facts.

The innovation establishment rather "folded" in a very punctual fashion. It could have begun anywhere else but it hasn't for some noble reason, I'm sure.

As a selfproclaimed ridiculous individual, I'M DA BEAST at spotting yooge ridiculousness. It's as ridiculous as it gets, not that I'd ever mind being moderated in any way. Pretty docile temperament, here.

Plus, a lot of people spark the silly name calling spirit from their high horses and then pretend toxicity happened out of the blue. I sometimes don't get why people get directly insulted in all ways, shapes and forms, first, and then are claimed to be the insulting ones upon mere reaction. Maxing out our stars can sometimes cover not only our foreheads but also our eyes. Sad, sad :~~

I'm sorry, I tried to read that but I couldn't shake the feeling your avatar was talking to me.

 

[MrGenius]

When you're fighting a losing battle...you'll try anything out of desperation. I actually find that quality admirable in an opponent. But rest assured. It will not work out as you planned. And you will ultimately lose. Resistance is futile.

 

[yesyesloud]

I'm sorry, I tried to read that but I couldn't shake the feeling your avatar was talking to me.

It's ok, nor can I (regarding my own avatar). Contrary to what it may seem, I don't enjoy golden showers nor their king. Just answering...

 

[RCoon]

Low quality is fairly obvious. It's posts that are worthless but un-infractionable, for example:

Or it's walking into a GPU BIOS flashing thread and going NAW MANE DUN FLASH YER CARD YOU GUNNO BREK IT.

Or when somebody is asking what difference memory latency makes to games and some guy comes in and cites no evidence and just says it's pointless.

Or somebody rolling into a news article and talking about politics.

Or when somebody walks into a thread about miners and says "I don't like miners".

Or posting memes/YT videos while somebody is trying to find a solution to a problem.

Or asking someone to correct their grammar.

Or saying "reported".

The whole purpose it to make it so that when somebody searches something into Google to, primarily, find out information, we don't then want them to have to scroll through the trash to get the information they need.

If you want to see the trash, unhide it.

EDIT: I find it quite interesting. A large portion of the people (not all) that don't like this feature are the ones I can see myself using it for.

 

[PLAfiller]

If all we want is people getting help and asking smart questions about consumer electronics in general, then the post count will be awfully low with new threads spaced out quite a few.

I get it. We are human, people want to chit-chat, watch "the show" - some verbal fights and stuff. Things are what they are. I am not sure mods/owners vision about this is correct as I don't really know where it stems from and where it wants to go.

 

[yesyesloud]

As someone who has seen and experienced actual censorship in real life...

Not that it ultimately matters at all but I don't mind being moderated and haven't got a single complaint about my posts getting removed as mods have been doing a great job. Seriously.

I hope the simpleton's impressions I left in this thread were clear. In case someone assumed otherwise: mere observations, not endorsements.

The thread is as silly as the ultimately subjective "low quality" badges. Pals, there's no shame in wearing the scarlet letter.

I can definitely say there's no censorship in TPU and I got quite a few of my posts deleted, probably because of some snowflakes . No hard feelings.

Also, I somewhat started to consider the very existence of non-bricking firmware/bios/uefi-modding on-the-fly (of AMD chips/chipsets solely), which's the subject that somehow ended up triggering this thread. That's a smart assumption.

 

[Vayra86]

when you do, let me know, i'm always listening

I will (again) refer you to Tweakers.net where they have a news section moderation system backed by a 'Karma' system.
Note that this is a community that has evolved from a hobby project to a real news site and company owned by a large publisher, its quite well established over here. Even though I don't agree with all that they do, the below system is one of the strongest I've seen and it has been working well for many years now. I hope it helps because 'low quality posts' as they are now, I think is quite dangerous for TPU's continued existence.

In addition to its credibility, Tweakers.net offers some of the most informative and useful user comment sections I have ever come across. More often than not, true experts in the field chime in with useful links, research papers, or first-hand info.

In brief:
- People can Vote +1 / +2 / +3 to any comment, where: +1 = On topic / +2 = Informative on topic (adds new info/insights) / +3 = Spotlight (deserves a top spot).
- People can Vote +0 / -1 to any comment, where: -1 = Flamebait/troll/insulting and +0 = Off-topic.

- Users can filter out average scores for comments and comments get the average score of all votes.
- There is a moderator thread on the forum where users can post comments for re-moderation if they have been 'downvoted' on the wrong grounds. For example for a very informative post with some 'less popular' statements in it.

- The Karma system is a simple points accumulation system that gives points for comments as they are moderated. So if I keep earning +3 Spotlights I get a high Karma score with a relatively low post count, which will be pretty accurate in showing great contributing users compared to bad ones.
- Based on high Karma scores, users can earn a 'Booster'. What this does is give you an allowance to boost any comment, so when you give a +2, it counts as, for example, 2x a +2 score or more. This way active and contributing users gain a very limited moderation ability.
- Another addition (optional IMO) is 'badges'. Based on the Karma points earned on specific subjects, top contributors can earn a King and Emperor badge for those subjects (see profile screenshots below).

All together you get:
- Mods that only direct their attention to things flagged by the community or themselves as 'odd'
- The community gains a self-censoring mechanism based on bigger numbers. Not just up and downvotes, but averages, promoting nuanced posting and moderation as extremes become hard to find, unless the entire community agrees on something being what it is (either a great or horrible comment).

A look inside the (my) profile:

A look at the comments below a news article: note the filters on top and the comment scores on the right, and excuse the Dutch

Last but not least: moderation box including 'Boost' option (I have a few left I see ). It also contains a link (under 'FM') to get redirected to the forum topic for badly moderated comments.

 

[W1zzard]

Interesting. Is there a limit how often I can hand out each of the badges per day for example?

 

[Tatty_Two]

Here is something before I stop.

An opinion is an opinion whether correct or wrong. Usage of power only alienates anyone who may be able to help you, this goes for reality. A team is stronger than an individual if you learn to interpret them and make use of their gifts, everyone has a gift to bring, it's up to you to either see it or squash someone with your so called power.

If Wizard was standing by his statement only why would he open a discussion? I am far from a troll but that is my opinion.

He didn't start this thread? Personally I am not sure anyone thinks that having an opinion is wrong or a bad thing, maybe trying to ram it down someone else's throat or insulting someone because they don't share the same opinion might be though.

 

[Vya Domus]

There will always be threads that are known to and will inevitably generate "unwanted" opinions and shitposting from the very moment they are posted (including news by staff such as the one about CTS-labs).

Everyone knows that very well , let's not hide behind the finger. For such situation "low quality posts" will not only be ineffective but will generate even more of the aforementioned shitposting.

 

[eidairaman1]

There will always be threads that are known to and will inevitably generate "unwanted" opinions and shitposting from the very moment they are posted (including news by staff such as the one about CTS-labs).

Everyone knows that very well , let's not hide behind the finger. For such situation "low quality posts" will not only be ineffective but will generate even more of the aforementioned shitposting.

Well they are still viewable, your choice to see them or not remains in our hands, at least they don't call them s posts right out...

 

[Vayra86]

Interesting. Is there a limit how often I can hand out each of the badges per day for example?

The badges are available in two forms: Karma-king / Karma-Emperor and fully automated too: highest karma points on a specific subject will get the Emperor (red outline) badge and second highest gets the King (gray outline) badge. I do believe there are more King-badges, perhaps 4 or 5 to be had - I'm a user not admin so can't say for sure.

So there is no management involved and its a constant 'race', and built for the long term. Subjects like 'Nvidia' for example, will be applicable to many news posts so almost all users will get some points on that, but only the most active ones that post useful stuff will get a badge.

 

[Ahhzz]

It'll be so unfair when high quality toxic post gets marked as 'low quality' kidding aside, but is 'low quality post' the best choice as a common denominator?
I vote for 'Unworthy post' ... the word unworthy is not used nearly enough

I do have to admit, I prefer "unworthy" as well

That aside, I think we'll see a lot of whining, a few that stop posting in protest of being "muffled", but overall our mod crew here is pretty solid, and I don't expect to see many "reversals". I don't envy the mods their new responsibility, and I do post a request that they temper their new power (great power, great responsibility, etc) with an occasional dousing of "I'm in a shitty mood today, I'll let someone else swing the rubber hammer for a while...".

Not a bad step to take, thanks Wizz, I know it took a bit of coding to get it all sorted. Appreciate, as always, the work you do here.


and another +1 to "unworthy" instead of "low quality" rofl

 

[Recon-UK]

Well i think i need to cool down, and last night my posting was a bit too in your face.
Think i was just in a debate mood.

Let's keep this place a good place, and i do read what people type

 

[Steevo]

Low quality is fairly obvious. It's posts that are worthless but un-infractionable, for example:

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Or it's walking into a GPU BIOS flashing thread and going NAW MANE DUN FLASH YER CARD YOU GUNNO BREK IT.

Or when somebody is asking what difference memory latency makes to games and some guy comes in and cites no evidence and just says it's pointless.

Or somebody rolling into a news article and talking about politics.

Or when somebody walks into a thread about miners and says "I don't like miners".

Or posting memes/YT videos while somebody is trying to find a solution to a problem.

Or asking someone to correct their grammar.

Or saying "reported".

The whole purpose it to make it so that when somebody searches something into Google to, primarily, find out information, we don't then want them to have to scroll through the trash to get the information they need.

If you want to see the trash, unhide it.

EDIT: I find it quite interesting. A large portion of the people (not all) that don't like this feature are the ones I can see myself using it for.

I find it offensive you would dare cast a shadow of doubt onto the post you have shown, as if TMM is or could be a shit poster from way back.

I have used Ignore for the people who shit post, and cannot fathom why others don't do the same, unless their victim status needs the affirmation that they must pay for internet access, to come to this site out of how many, to be offended and carry on a grudge against certain and specific other users, companies, or ideas.

Then again, we also have safety warnings about common things, but I digress. You know it's going to become a game to some, see how much low quality content they can generate.

 

[EarthDog]

You know it's going to become a game to some, see how much low quality content they can generate.

I would expect infractions or bans at that point...honestly the least of their worries with this implementation.

 

[W1zzard]

I would expect infractions or bans at that point...honestly the least of their worries with this implementation.

I already handed out one for exactly that, earlier today and just deleted the post

 

[Assimilator]

I generally have a rather... aggressive and acerbic posting style. I also do not suffer fools kindly. I imagine this will lead to me getting ignored at some point, and I'm okay with that because I'll probably deserve it. (This does not, however, mean I will ever apologise for being a dick to people who start "OMG I BRICKED MAH GRAFFICS CART" threads when they evidently have done zero research into the basics of BIOS flashing.)

Let's be honest, we all wake up on the wrong side of bed sometimes, or think we're funny when we're not, or whatever. If W1zz feels this feature is necessary to... remind us when we're misbehaving, in order to increase the overall quality of these forums, I'm okay with that.

 

[Ahhzz]

I generally have a rather... aggressive and acerbic posting style. I also do not suffer fools kindly. I imagine this will lead to me getting ignored at some point, and I'm okay with that because I'll probably deserve it. (This does not, however, mean I will ever apologise for being a dick to people who start "OMG I BRICKED MAH GRAFFICS CART" threads when they evidently have done zero research into the basics of BIOS flashing.)

Let's be honest, we all wake up on the wrong side of bed sometimes, or think we're funny when we're not, or whatever. If W1zz feels this feature is necessary to... remind us when we're misbehaving, in order to increase the overall quality of these forums, I'm okay with that.

fair statement

....

Then again, we also have safety warnings about common things, but I digress. .....

Warning label on Apple’s website:

 

[Nordic]

You could always go further and do what Norway did. Make people pass a short and simple test proving they read the article.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...n-turned-chaos-into-order-with-a-simple-quiz/

"It was a basic idea," NRKbeta developer Ståle Grut told a South By Southwest crowd on Tuesday. "Readers had to prove they read a story before they were able to comment on it."

 

[R-T-B]

You could always go further and do what Norway did. Make people pass a short and simple test proving they read the article.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...n-turned-chaos-into-order-with-a-simple-quiz/

I'd do it.

Any by do it, I mean ban anyone who fails the quiz, but I'm a hardass and that's probably why my site failed.