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-no mass adaption of 64 bit applications and game
no need, when 32 bit apps run in a 64 bit OS. the ones that need it use it, the rest dont.
-no tangible benefit from having more ram in the games/applications I use
No negative effects either.
-no need need/desire to have 2 copies of the same OS version
Your attitude is the EXACT REASON there is two. if everyone moved to x64 no one would lose anything, as 32 and 64 bit apps would run on every machine. Your simplistic, stubborn attitude of sticking with a 32 bit OS is whats causing there to be two.

Therefore, it's actually you who has given very little reason to use 64bit OS. By your own admission you are doing no more then what you would normally do with a 32bit OS (IE: "It provides everything that a 32bit does..."). Therefore, it makes no since to use it. Once there is a proven beneficial need for a 64bit OS. I am sure the masses will re-evauate it. But until then, no...

i'm sorry, but this last part makes me laugh. take this as from a fellow user and not a moderator and report it if you want - but my god does that make you sound stupid.
Can you really not see that that an OS that does both, is better than an OS that only does one?
 
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I'm using 4gb on 32bit win7.The reason i am on 32bit is the forced driver signing on 64bit.A driver for my 4x20 usb lcd will just not work on 64bit.

Just disable driver signing?

Actually it doesn't for those in the know but that's getting OT. The point being having a 64-bit OS is useless if the user doesn't use it. It doesn't benefit the user in this regard. And, saying that it can do what a 32bit OS only diminishes it's value because it reinforces the fact that there is very little games/applications that use 64bit.

My reason is simple:
-no mass adaption of 64 bit applications and games
-no tangible benefit from having more ram in the games/applications I use
-no need/desire to have 2 copies of the same OS version

Therefore, it's actually you who has given very little reason to use 64bit OS. By your own admission you are doing no more then what you would normally do with a 32bit OS (IE: "It provides everything that a 32bit does..."). Therefore, it makes no since to use it. Once there is a proven beneficial need for a 64bit OS. I am sure the masses will re-evauate it. But until then, no...

Jet fuel doesn't cost more? You sure?

He never said he wasn't doing more with the OS, just stated that the OS allows the user to do everything they do on a 32-bit OS. It also allows them to do more.

It doesn't matter if there is mass adoption of 64-bit applications and games, the OS runs 32-bit programs just fine. Why would anyone in their right mind not go 64-bit? What reason can you give against it? You have failed to provide is single benefit of going 32-bit over 64. 64-bit can do everything 32-bit can, and more.

You entire argument is basically "I see no benefit, so there is no reason to use it". That is an idiotic view. Even if it runs just one 64-bit program better, it is worth it. It is always better to have the opition available.
 

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My reason is simple:


no need, when 32 bit apps run in a 64 bit OS. the ones that need it use it, the rest dont.

No negative effects either.

Your attitude is the EXACT REASON there is two. if everyone moved to x64 no one would lose anything, as 32 and 64 bit apps would run on every machine. Your simplistic, stubborn attitude of sticking with a 32 bit OS is whats causing there to be two.



i'm sorry, but this last part makes me laugh. take this as from a fellow user and not a moderator and report it if you want - but my god does that make you sound stupid.
Can you really not see that that an OS that does both, is better than an OS that only does one?

Ad hominem replies like this really don't offer real opinion to reply to when you resort to name calling.

You seem to forget that we can agree to disagree. But it should be done regarding the information presented not name calling. I am still entitled to my opinion here be it you agree or otherwise.

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newtekie1, the above can also apply to you as well. Don't troll my post because you don't agree with my reasons of why I don't see any benefit to a 64-bit OS.
 
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hang on, everyone step back and think at hat 32bit and 64 bit provide?

what are the differance?

as said there and not many differances at all, so what are the benifits of a 64bit os over a 32bit os?? 2 mostly that ability for the pc to use more then 3 GB of ram efficently and thability for the OS to run 64 bit software

no lets think why dont we see many games programs that use alot of ram or 64 bit programs, it is besause most people just buy a 32 bit os or it come with there oem machine

just think if m$ only provided us with 32bit OS's it would be a step back not forward, but if m$ only provided us with 64 bit Os's yes it provides the same things as a 32bit os but with a few added benifits (the ability to use extra ram, and the ability to run 64 bit apps) BUT ISNT THAT A GOOD THING to have more features and possibilitys to exapnd and have more efficent apps

but neither of these will ever become popular untill ONLY 64bit OS's are made, the day that happens it will make things alot easier for the end consumer and game/program develepors who would no longer have to code for 32 and 64 bit apps..

just think what would happen is the next biggest and bad ass game was to released only on 64bit (and hell only on DX11), imadgin all the ppl that would cry and cry becasue of it, its because of the unwillinesss to change buy the enduser and the OEM manurfactures that pc's are stuck in the stone ages

(i look at 64bit OS's and DX11 as the same type of step forward. they dont give a great deal to the end user, but they offer a great benifit to the software designers to geive the best that there hareware can give them) it like wow i have this fancy new DX11 game but oh shit no one ever upgrades and devs never force a change no now we get stuck with shitty DX9 games when we have the potential of DX11

its a catch 22 someone has to make the first move the end user, its the only 1 advantage consols have over pc's devs can max out the hardware and not have to worry pll stuck in the stone ages and have to backwars support their software'

//END RANT god this lack of change drives me bonker
 
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Ad hominem replies like this really don't offer real opinion to reply to when you resort to name calling.

You seem to forget that we can agree to disagree. But it should be done regarding the information presented not name calling. I am still entitled to my opinion here be it you agree or otherwise.

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newtekie1, the above can also apply to you as well. Don't troll my post because you don't agree with my reasons of why I don't see any benefit to a 64-bit OS.

So basically, your whole reasoning is that you should keep 32-bit because you don't need 64bit... at least that is what I am getting from your replies.

-no mass adaption of 64 bit applications and games - No but some games do benefit from it,
just look at the benchmarks of i7 systems with 3 vs 6gb of ram.

-no tangible benefit from having more ram in the games/applications I use
Maybe not yet, but why limit yourself if you do not have to?

-no need/desire to have 2 copies of the same OS version
any 32bit key works for the equivalent 64-bit version.

basically gaming benches show that systems with 6GB of ram are tangibly faster than those with 3GB. Also, since all modern hardware supports 64bit and all 32bit keys work with 64 bit, there is no reason to keep 32bit around.

The driver signing thing can be fixed with a utility from NGOHQ.com... you can put the feature on "test mode" and use all the hacked drivers you want. (1000Mhz mouse fix?)

:toast:
 
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The driver signing thing can be fixed with a utility from NGOHQ.com... you can put the feature on "test mode" and use all the hacked drivers you want. (1000Mhz mouse fix?)

:toast:

driver signing is a beautiful thing. its the reason vista x64 and 7 are so stable compared to vista and XP 32 bit - no more shitty chinese webcams with drivers made by one hurried guy. drivers had to be tested before release, so you dont get that whole "insta BSOD" crap or systems failing to boot after a driver update.
 
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driver signing is a beautiful thing. its the reason vista x64 and 7 are so stable compared to vista and XP 32 bit - no more shitty chinese webcams with drivers made by one hurried guy. drivers had to be tested before release, so you dont get that whole "insta BSOD" crap or systems failing to boot after a driver update.

yeah it is... but some driver hacks allow one to say "overclock" the polling rate of their mouse, which can turn a comfort mouse 3000 into something with the response time of a razer mouse.

it all depends... Its always best to let the user decide IMO. PC's are about customization and flexibility - we should at least have some way to turn certain features on and off. If I wanted everything decided for me, I would just buy a mac and forget about it. :roll:

But yeah... those cheap chinese webcams :shadedshu
 

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So basically, your whole reasoning is that you should keep 32-bit because you don't need 64bit... at least that is what I am getting from your replies.

-no mass adaption of 64 bit applications and games - No but some games do benefit from it,
just look at the benchmarks of i7 systems with 3 vs 6gb of ram.
It's an i7 system. What you are saying here is that one would need to completely update their entire PC. Which really isn't the topic here.




-no tangible benefit from having more ram in the games/applications I use
Maybe not yet, but why limit yourself if you do not have to?
Maybe not yet has been said for the last few years and nothing has changed yet.




-no need/desire to have 2 copies of the same OS version
any 32bit key works for the equivalent 64-bit version.
I didn't post about the keys but the OS copies.




basically gaming benches show that systems with 6GB of ram are tangibly faster than those with 3GB. Also, since all modern hardware supports 64bit and all 32bit keys work with 64 bit, there is no reason to keep 32bit around.

The driver signing thing can be fixed with a utility from NGOHQ.com... you can put the feature on "test mode" and use all the hacked drivers you want. (1000Mhz mouse fix?)

:toast:
What so hard to understand? My points are right there as to why I don't see the need. If all is well with 32-bit OS and based on how I use the PC I don't see the need, desire or benefit for a 64-bit OS. Therefore, it's a none issue for me. And from what I've seen the games I play don't benefit from it use. Again, making it moot.
 
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I see there's some disagreement on using 32-bit over 64-bit. However, I can offer one totally compelling reason to use 32-bit. No flames, please! lol :)

If you're an enthusiast like me, then you'll have several older 32-bit computers, some with enough processing power to run Vista or 7 well, such as my P4 2.8 HT o/c to 3.5GHz I built in 2004. In this case, running a 32-bit operating system is a no brainer. :D Otherwise I would always use 64-bit now on a 64-bit CPU as the support is there and it can do all that 32-bit does and then some. My main OS is 64-bit 7 RTM and it runs like a dream.
 
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It's an i7 system. What you are saying here is that one would need to completely update their entire PC. Which really isn't the topic here.

If you wanna go that route, go benchmark a non i7 rig with a 32 bit and 64 bit OS on a fresh install with nothing installed other than benchmarks and see what the difference is.

If I feel like it, maybe when I get my new HDD in today I will do it. But the lack of ambition on my part and not being a benchmark whore like I used to be will most likely prevent me from doing that.

-no tangible benefit from having more ram in the games/applications I use

Maybe not yet has been said for the last few years and nothing has changed yet.

Some benchmarks show that given a 32 bit OS and a 64 bit OS there are a slight increase in performance with some games. And yes, there is a slight decrease too. Big whoop.
-no need/desire to have 2 copies of the same OS version

I didn't post about the keys but the OS copies.

Who cares? The whole purpose of the keys are so you can run both a 32 bit version or a 64 bit version. No need to rebuy the OS if you decided to upgrade your version.
What so hard to understand? My points are right there as to why I don't see the need. If all is well with 32-bit OS and based on how I use the PC I don't see the need, desire or benefit for a 64-bit OS. Therefore, it's a none issue for me. And from what I've seen the games I play don't benefit from it use. Again, making it moot.

Yeah as to why YOU dont see the need. There is no reason NOT to go a 64 bit OS no matter how you look at it. RAM is cheap, all CPU's support 64-bit, and 32 bit apps work just as great in a 64-bit OS as they do in a 32 bit OS if not better. If the only reason I were to go x64 would be to fully utilize my processor, then that would be my reasoning since it would handled the processes quicker and more efficiently in a 64 bit OS than a 32 bit.
 
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1st of all... why the hell would you need two OS copies? Just DL and burn the 64bit version and install it... then throw away the 32bit - viola - one copy.

The i7 systems were the same except for the amount of ram. Im not saying you have to update your computer, but that "all else being equal, more ram>less ram." Im 100% sure that if you compared a 3.25GB of ram (or whatever 32 bit windows sees) c2d or PII machine against the same one with 6 you would see a similar boost as the i7 comparison.

If you want to drop some dough on a top-notch rig, only to run software that can't support its full capacity (when there is a better alternative of the same software available). Then by all means. But don't be surprised when onlookers don't understand your logic.

Its really simple 64bit > 32bit. More ram > Less ram. Windows 64bit 128GB of Ram > Windows 32bit 3.25-4GB of ram. Upgrade cost: $0 and a few hours tinkering on the rig.

I understand your "if it aint broke don't fix it" point. But if you look closer at the aging 32bit architecture you will find alot of programmers (especially game developers) who have to actively find workarounds for their code (STALKER for instance) so that the game runs error free in a 32bit environment. Programmers have also expressed difficulties in confining some apps to 32 bit.

64 bit is without the limitations of 32bit, its ever-so-slightly faster than 32bit when running in native mode (winrar 64bit vs 32bit is an example), and many newer applications (and esp games) benefit from the additional memory. The upgrade cost is $0.

If you are building a rig with 4GB of ram, and you have the choice of installing 32bit and 64bit, the latter becomes irrational when all things are considered. Do you need it? no. Is it the better option? definitely.
 

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newtekie1, the above can also apply to you as well. Don't troll my post because you don't agree with my reasons of why I don't see any benefit to a 64-bit OS.

When you come into a topic trying to convince others why they should use 32-bit, you not seeing benefit isn't a valid argument.

You have yet to give one valid reason for others to use 32-bit over 64. You not seeing a benefit isn't a valid reason for others. Try to make a better argument next time, otherwise when you just post crap with no valid reasoning behind it, you come off as a troll...but then again I guess that is why you are on my ignore list...
 

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If you wanna go that route, go benchmark a non i7 rig with a 32 bit and 64 bit OS on a fresh install with nothing installed other than benchmarks and see what the difference is.
I honestly don't have to. The use of an i7 rig isn't what's being discussed but the use of virtual space is.

If I feel like it, maybe when I get my new HDD in today I will do it. But the lack of ambition on my part and not being a benchmark whore like I used to be will most likely prevent me from doing that.
This post says it all. :laugh:


Some benchmarks show that given a 32 bit OS and a 64 bit OS there are a slight increase in performance with some games. And yes, there is a slight decrease too. Big whoop.
So, why are you arguing with me about it? Why not complain to those developers to support your OS of choice instead of trying to argue about it here.

Who cares? The whole purpose of the keys are so you can run both a 32 bit version or a 64 bit version. No need to rebuy the OS if you decided to upgrade your version.
Obviously you do. If I don't want to use/own multiple OS's, how one can use the key becomes moot.


Yeah as to why YOU dont see the need. There is no reason NOT to go a 64 bit OS no matter how you look at it. RAM is cheap, all CPU's support 64-bit, and 32 bit apps work just as great in a 64-bit OS as they do in a 32 bit OS if not better. If the only reason I were to go x64 would be to fully utilize my processor, then that would be my reasoning since it would handled the processes quicker and more efficiently in a 64 bit OS than a 32 bit.
Here found within in your quote is reason enough not to use it. There is no need to expect anyone to have to upgrade or use 64-bit when 32 bit runs fine :D










1st of all... why the hell would you need two OS copies? Just DL and burn the 64bit version and install it... then throw away the 32bit - viola - one copy.
This makes no sense. If you are currently using 32-bit you should know that if you get 64-bit would make a 2nd OS which makes a 2nd copy. :slap:. It's silly to tell someone to throw away something they paid for anyway.


The i7 systems were the same except for the amount of ram. Im not saying you have to update your computer, but that "all else being equal, more ram>less ram." Im 100% sure that if you compared a 3.25GB of ram (or whatever 32 bit windows sees) c2d or PII machine against the same one with 6 you would see a similar boost as the i7 comparison.
Actually no you won't. I've seen some games were a 64-bit OS with more memory offers the same performance as 32-bit. And I thought by now it was common knowledge do to how that game was designed to use virtual space, etc.

If you want to drop some dough on a top-notch rig, only to run software that can't support its full capacity (when there is a better alternative of the same software available). Then by all means. But don't be surprised when onlookers don't understand your logic.
It's fine if you disagree however, don't expect me to understand your logic (IE; 2 way street).

Its really simple 64bit > 32bit. More ram > Less ram. Windows 64bit 128GB of Ram > Windows 32bit 3.25-4GB of ram. Upgrade cost: $0 and a few hours tinkering on the rig.

I understand your "if it aint broke don't fix it" point. But if you look closer at the aging 32bit architecture you will find alot of programmers (especially game developers) who have to actively find workarounds for their code (STALKER for instance) so that the game runs error free in a 32bit environment. Programmers have also expressed difficulties in confining some apps to 32 bit.

64 bit is without the limitations of 32bit, its ever-so-slightly faster than 32bit when running in native mode (winrar 64bit vs 32bit is an example), and many newer applications (and esp games) benefit from the additional memory. The upgrade cost is $0.

If you are building a rig with 4GB of ram, and you have the choice of installing 32bit and 64bit, the latter becomes irrational when all things are considered. Do you need it? no. Is it the better option? definitely.
Again in a nutshell if I am not seeing any benefit from it's use I don't recommend it (and I've explained why). There have been a lot repeated posts saying the same thing as to why one should use 64bit. It's is not for me to prove :).

When you come into a topic trying to convince others why they should use 32-bit, you not seeing benefit isn't a valid argument.

You have yet to give one valid reason for others to use 32-bit over 64. You not seeing a benefit isn't a valid reason for others. Try to make a better argument next time, otherwise when you just post crap with no valid reasoning behind it, you come off as a troll...but then again I guess that is why you are on my ignore list...
I honestly don't have to validate my reason to you. All I can do is provide my reason why. Which I have done in this thread. All name calling can do is show that you really don't have anything on topic to discuss. Perhaps it's best that you return me to your ignore list :toast:
 
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You all disagree, (with something off topic) we get it. No need to continue beating a dead horse about it. Frankly I'm sick of coming into threads where people feel the need to break down every word of someone elses post over and over and over and over again. If you want to leave your opinion on a subject, post it on the forum fine. All points are made. If you want to try to convince someone else of your kind of reasoning then do it in PM's. This thread has enough information, misinformation, contradictions, cannon, hyperbole and whatever to leave anyone stupefied. The beat information into head with hammer approach isn't working, nor will it ever. To the original question. 4gb's of RAM with Windows 7 is sufficient.
 
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