~$750-800 GPU : RTX 4070 Ti vs. RX 7900 XT for Gaming

[faye]

Since prices have settled a bit and drivers matured, this is the question. If YOU were shopping for a GPU in this price segment right now for 1440P and the occasional 2160P resolution, what would be your choice and why?

I'd buy the 4070, because I own a 7900 XTX and would only wish it on my worst enemies.

Also, before people start, I've owned 3 Radeons for every GeForce card over the years, and built my first machine over 20 years ago. Speaking from experience, the 7900 XTX is mediocre - stupid power draw for the performance, hot and loud, pulls 75 watts (just the board) watching YouTube - and the drivers are like going back to the early XP era. I've not had to fight like this with a new piece of tech in a very long time. This is probably my last AMD card, ever.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I have always bought Nvidia, never had a problem so why would i change. Only had 1 card die, and that was my fault.

 

[las]

I'd buy the 4070, because I own a 7900 XTX and would only wish it on my worst enemies.

Also, before people start, I've owned 3 Radeons for every GeForce card over the years, and built my first machine over 20 years ago. Speaking from experience, the hardware is mediocre - stupid power draw for the performance, hot and loud, pulls 75 watts (just the board) decoding 4K video - and the drivers are like going back to the early XP era. I've not had to fight like this with a new piece of tech in a very long time. This is probably my last AMD card, ever.

True. AMD is cheaper for a reason.

Its wild that some people think AMD has lower prices to please their customers. If AMD were able to charge a premium, they would do it. We have seen this many times before, mostly for their CPUs.

High-end desktop GPUs are not AMDs primary focus and never will be. They sell waaaaay more low to mid-end GPUs and APUs. Probably the reason why RDNA4 won't get a high-end solution and AMD said they would not even try and compete with 4090 this generation as well. Pretty much no-one will pay 1200-1500 dollars for an AMD GPU with focus on raster and nothing else.

 

[faye]

I have always bought Nvidia, never had a problem so why would i change. Only had 1 card die, and that was my fault.

It's not about that - competition is good, brand loyalty is a terrible reason to buy something, companies do not care about you and can pivot from wonderful to terrible over night. AMD just isn't competing right now, and their willingness to release a (still extremely expensive) product in this state suggests they either can't or simply won't do better. If the 7900 cards were significantly cheaper I might be willing to recommend them, with extensive caveats - kind of like people do the Intel ARC cards around $300 sometimes. The difference there is that Intel hasn't been focused on making high end gaming cards for 20+ years like ATI/AMD Graphics division has, so it makes sense they're still playing catch up. There's no such excuse for the 7XXX cards to be as terrible (in Windows, I do not and will never care about Linux performance) as they are.

 

[Space Lynx]

Divine divinity, add that to the list of not working, at least with rdna2. You get black boxes around every object.


What I find fascinating is that amd wins all popularity votes, every single time, no matter what. Yet when it comes to actual sales....

you have to change from direct3d to software render mode, looks great and plays great on my end just tested it with my 7900 xt.

get skill boys

 

[faye]

True. AMD is cheaper for a reason.

Its wild that some people think AMD has lower prices to please their customers. If AMD were able to charge a premium, they would do it. We have seen this many times before, mostly for their CPUs.

High-end desktop GPUs are not AMDs primary focus and never will be.

Oh no, my "the hardware is mediocre" rant is limited entirely to the 7900. I absolutely loved all of my previous Radeon cards and rarely if ever regretted not going with Nvidia when I didn't. I had Nvidia cards, too - started with an 8800 GTX, at one point was running tri-SLI, had 980Ti SLI, then an RTX 2080. I've always been brand agnostic and firmly believe everyone should be. It's just that the last two weeks trying to work around weird inexplicable bugs and getting hands on experience with the 7900 XTX have shown me how little AMD currently cares.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

It's not about that - competition is good, brand loyalty is a terrible reason to buy something, companies do not care about you and can pivot from wonderful to terrible over night. AMD just isn't competing right now, and their willingness to release a (still extremely expensive) product in this state suggests they either can't or simply won't do better. If the 7900 cards were significantly cheaper I might be willing to recommend them, with extensive caveats - kind of like people do the Intel ARC cards around $300 sometimes. The difference there is that Intel hasn't been focused on making high end gaming cards for 20+ years like ATI/AMD Graphics division has, so it makes sense they're still playing catch up. There's no such excuse for the 7XXX cards to be as terrible (in Windows, I do not and will never care about Linux performance) as they are.

It's not brand loyalty, it's about reliability, good drivers. Why would i change to AMD and risk bad driver and unreliability. Maybe it's more about habit than brand loyalty. If it ain't broke don't fixit, by switching brands it is fixing a problem that to me does not exist.

 

[las]

Oh no, my "the hardware is mediocre" rant is limited entirely to the 7900. I absolutely loved all of my previous Radeon cards and rarely if ever regretted not going with Nvidia when I didn't. I had Nvidia cards, too - started with an 8800 GTX, at one point was running tri-SLI, had 980Ti SLI, then an RTX 2080. I've always been brand agnostic and firmly believe everyone should be. It's just that the last two weeks trying to work around weird inexplicable bugs and getting hands on experience with the 7900 XTX have shown me how little AMD currently cares.

AMD don't care much with GPUs and the inferior features, because it's not their primary focus. Way less R&D funds are used on GPUs compared to Nvidia, which primary focus is GPUs (Gaming, AI, Enterprise)

AMD is the cheaper solution for a reason. They are not selling any GPUs unless they are cheaper.

If AMD GPUs were truly great, they would have much higher marketshare but AMD is loosing dGPU marketshare YoY and have done for years.

 

[JustBenching]

you have to change from direct3d to software render mode, looks great and plays great on my end just tested it with my 7900 xt.

get skill boys

Software mode runs it on the cpu right? . With nvidia I don't have to change it to anything. So you are running your game on your cpu cause your gpu can't. Lol, thanks for confirming though

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD don't care much with GPUs and the inferior features, because it's not their primary focus. Way less R&D funds used on GPUs compared to Nvidia, which primary focus is GPUs.

AMD is the cheaper solution for a reason.

77" OLED and 4090.

lol. gtfo out of this thread bruh, you just rich as fk

Software mode runs it on the cpu right? . With nvidia I don't have to change it to anything

congrats to nvidia. its literally two button pushes for me to play it. yawn

 

[JustBenching]

congrats to nvidia. its literally two button pushes for me to play it. yawn

That's not the point, the point is amd gpus can't run it. Just because the game happens to have software mode doesn't make amds drivers better. They can't run the game period.

 

[Space Lynx]

That's not the point, the point is amd gpus can't run it. Just because the game happens to have software mode doesn't make amds drivers better. They can't run the game period.

probably cause back in those days nvidia bullied companies to work on their gpu's only, lot of you newcomers don't remember those days, so here we are

and my cpu runs it fine anyway, cause its ancient as fuck

 

[JustBenching]

probably cause back in those days nvidia bullied companies to work on their gpu's only, lot of you newcomers don't remember those days, so here we are

and my cpu runs it fine anyway, cause its ancient as fuck

Did we have to exchange numerous posts just so we can agree that the fact is that amd gpus can't run the game?

And why do you need to make up excuses? Nvidia bullied companies in 2002 to make gpus from 2023 not able to run the game? Seriously now?

 

[bug]

probably cause back in those days nvidia bullied companies to work on their gpu's only, lot of you newcomers don't remember those days, so here we are

and my cpu runs it fine anyway, cause its ancient as fuck

I remember those days. It was so bad, Nvidia was actually bullying AMD's own developers to introduce bugs into their own drivers even

 

[Kapone33]

Nah it's not for me + no upscaling to save you because FSR is inferior to DLSS.

I guess your opinion is tantamount for the entire industry. Did you test your 7900 card with upscaling? I don't even actively use upscaling anyway so try again. There is nothing wrong with the 7900 series and they are plenty fast. I am not going to get into Matchbox vs Hotwheels with you to prove my point either. I am just going to enjoy Gaming on this machine I have and in a few years I probably will use upscaling for the newest games but one thing I give AMD over the rest is the power of their software. The newest driver and software package are that good but you wouldn't know. I will still say that if you bought a 4K 144hz monitor and a 7900XT you would not be sad.

 

[las]

I guess your opinion is tantamount for the entire industry. Did you test your 7900 card with upscaling? I don't even actively use upscaling anyway so try again. There is nothing wrong with the 7900 series and they are plenty fast. I am not going to get into Matchbox vs Hotwheels with you to prove my point either. I am just going to enjoy Gaming on this machine I have and in a few years I probably will use upscaling for the newest games but one thing I give AMD over the rest is the power of their software. The newest driver and software package are that good but you wouldn't know. I will still say that if you bought a 4K 144hz monitor and a 7900XT you would not be sad.

7900XT drops below 60 fps in tons of new games, even drops below 40 fps at 4K/UHD it would be a terrible choice for 4K/UHD at 144 Hz.

I guess Steam HW Survey speaks for me, 4070 Ti outsold 7900XT 5:1

I know how AMD drivers are, I use all kinds of hardware, all the time. Building PCs for others and testing stuff all the time. Nvidias drivers are better without a doubt.


So you think 7900XT will do well for 4K/144Hz gaming?

 

[faye]

I guess your opinion is tantamount for the entire industry. Did you test your 7900 card with upscaling? I don't even actively use upscaling anyway so try again. There is nothing wrong with the 7900 series and they are plenty fast. I am not going to get into Matchbox vs Hotwheels with you to prove my point either. I am just going to enjoy Gaming on this machine I have and in a few years I probably will use upscaling for the newest games but one thing I give AMD over the rest is the power of their software. The newest driver and software package are that good but you wouldn't know. I will still say that if you bought a 4K 144hz monitor and a 7900XT you would not be sad.

... I've got a 7900 XTX and a 60Hz 4K / 120Hz 1440p monitor, and I'm sad. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that you're happy with your hardware, but for those of us who are more demanding it's a huge let down. I expected far better for my money. That's just price to performance, ignoring entirely all the driver issues I've had, ignoring how hot and loud the thing runs just sitting on the desktop or playing video.

I wish I could be happy with the thing, but it feels more like I'm trapped with it by the market. Yes, it's the most raw performance I can get for the amount I can justify spending (~$1000) but anyone who says we shouldn't be getting much better for that kind of outlay is an apologist or loyalist, pure and simple.

 

[Kapone33]

True. AMD is cheaper for a reason.

Its wild that some people think AMD has lower prices to please their customers. If AMD were able to charge a premium, they would do it. We have seen this many times before, mostly for their CPUs.

High-end desktop GPUs are not AMDs primary focus and never will be. They sell waaaaay more low to mid-end GPUs and APUs. Probably the reason why RDNA4 won't get a high-end solution and AMD said they would not even try and compete with 4090 this generation as well. Pretty much no-one will pay 1200-1500 dollars for an AMD GPU with focus on raster and nothing else.

The only High end GPU is the 4090. The issue you refuse to acknowledge is that you don't need to spend 4090 money to enjoy 4K with AMD. Both the 7900XTX and XT are fine for 4K. If High End desktops were not AMD's flavour why does the Vega 64 exist? How about Vega 7? Now the 7900 is there and not as fast as a 4090 in some Games and just as fast as the 4090 in other Games.

The truth is that Nvidia have nothing other than the 4090 to compete with AMD so they will be mauled in that space. The 6700XT is still the number 1 card on Newegg Canada. Yes, the narrative will tell you that a 4070Ti is a "Better" buy than the 7900XT because it has more features......until the latest Driver from AMD and the 7800XT. Don't worry the Goalposts will move again just like when people spoke with such confidence that the 7900XT was supposed to be the 6800XT but then the 7800XT got launched and that argument went where.

It's only in 1 or 2 Games for now but FSR 3 responds to the narrative that thinks FG is a good thing and puts the brakes on that narrative too. I have been around Nvidia long enough to know that I would gladly buy an Intel card before I touch anyth33ing from that Company. The information coming out of France tells me that they are no different than before and therefore do not care about the end user like AMD does.

7900XT drops below 60 fps in tons of new games, even drops below 40 fps at 4K/UHD it would be a terrible choice for 4K/UHD at 144 Hz.

I guess Steam HW Survey speaks for me, 4070 Ti outsold 7900XT 5:1

I know how AMD drivers are, I use all kinds of hardware, all the time. Building PCs for others and testing stuff all the time. Nvidias drivers are better without a doubt.


So you think 7900XT will do well for 4K/144Hz gaming?

Are these numbers with RT on?

 

[Space Lynx]

I remember those days. It was so bad, Nvidia was actually bullying AMD's own developers to introduce bugs into their own drivers even

Did we have to exchange numerous posts just so we can agree that the fact is that amd gpus can't run the game?

And why do you need to make up excuses? Nvidia bullied companies in 2002 to make gpus from 2023 not able to run the game? Seriously now?

owned lots of generations of AMD, never had any issues myself, but I am a simple gamer, single monitor, never multi, etc.

as far as Nvidia:

ask EVGA how they feel about Nvidia.
ask the French Government who just raided Nvidia's offices how they feel about Nvidia.

and here:

and I remember reading several articles in PCGamer magazine over the years of game company interviews talking about how they were bullied by nvidia and other anti-competitive practices.

sorry y'all don't know how to read, I know it's hard. hang in there.

enjoy the anthology:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/8rbdtb

 

[Kapone33]

... I've got a 7900 XTX and a 60Hz 4K / 120Hz 1440p monitor, and I'm sad. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that you're happy with your hardware, but for those of us who are more demanding it's a huge let down. I expected far better for my money. That's just price to performance, ignoring entirely all the driver issues I've had, ignoring how hot and loud the thing runs just sitting on the desktop or playing video.

I wish I could be happy with the thing, but it feels more like I'm trapped with it by the market. Yes, it's the most raw performance I can get for the amount I can justify spending (~$1000) but anyone who says we shouldn't be getting much better for that kind of outlay is an apologist or loyalist, pure and simple.

A 60Hz 4K panel will not show you the potential of a 7900XTX and 120Hz 1440P is not enough. Where you will see AMD's performance is with a 4K panel that has 144Hz and Freesync support. The card you got may have been loud but does not speak for the entire stack. I am not dreaming here.

 

[PerfectWave]

That's why TPU still getting GeForce Founders Edition

 

[faye]

A 60Hz 4K panel will not show you the potential of a 7900XTX and 120Hz 1440P is not enough. Where you will see AMD's performance is with a 4K panel that has 144Hz and Freesync support. The card you got may have been loud but does not speak for the entire stack. I am not dreaming here.

... I'm sitting here using the thing telling you it can barely pull 60FPS at 4K in several titles with max settings, but sure, the panel not being 144Hz at 4K is somehow the problem. Similarly, dropping down to 1440p, where my display can do 120Hz, I'm often not seeing 120FPS at settings I want to run, but somehow 1440p isn't enough to let the card properly shine. Ok.

And yes, my display is Freesync compatible.

Next you'll tell me it's because of the 5800X3D and I need to spend another $800+ on a full rebuild to see "proper numbers."

 

[las]

The only High end GPU is the 4090. The issue you refuse to acknowledge is that you don't need to spend 4090 money to enjoy 4K with AMD. Both the 7900XTX and XT are fine for 4K. If High End desktops were not AMD's flavour why does the Vega 64 exist? How about Vega 7? Now the 7900 is there and not as fast as a 4090 in some Games and just as fast as the 4090 in other Games.

The truth is that Nvidia have nothing other than the 4090 to compete with AMD so they will be mauled in that space. The 6700XT is still the number 1 card on Newegg Canada. Yes, the narrative will tell you that a 4070Ti is a "Better" buy than the 7900XT because it has more features......until the latest Driver from AMD and the 7800XT. Don't worry the Goalposts will move again just like when people spoke with such confidence that the 7900XT was supposed to be the 6800XT but then the 7800XT got launched and that argument went where.

It's only in 1 or 2 Games for now but FSR 3 responds to the narrative that thinks FG is a good thing and puts the brakes on that narrative too. I have been around Nvidia long enough to know that I would gladly buy an Intel card before I touch anyth33ing from that Company. The information coming out of France tells me that they are no different than before and therefore do not care about the end user like AMD does.


Are these numbers with RT on?

All those results are pure raster, on high settings - not even ultra...

Nvidia have nothing besides 4090? Haha 4070 Ti outsells 7900 XT with ease. Even 4080, which is actually overpriced, outsells entire Radeon 7900 range with ease. 7900 XT is not even present in Steams most popular Top GPUs and Nvidia dominates the top 25 completely. Most AMD GPUs present are old and cheap ones. Most people buy AMD GPUs because they are cheap and this is why higher-end AMD GPUs are not selling well.

4070 Ti is like 20-25% faster than 7800XT in raster.. why are you rambling about 7800XT anyway, the card brings nothing new and was way too late (but AMD had to sell out their huge radeon 6000 series inventory), 7800XT performs like a 6800XT in most games, pretty much a zero gen to gen improvement

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Every single feature that AMD copies from Nvidia, is worse. FSR 3 failed like expected too. AMD has nothing outside of raster performance really and they don't have the R&D funds to improve their features - hence the price.

A 60Hz 4K panel will not show you the potential of a 7900XTX and 120Hz 1440P is not enough. Where you will see AMD's performance is with a 4K panel that has 144Hz and Freesync support. The card you got may have been loud but does not speak for the entire stack. I am not dreaming here.

7900XT is literally mediocre for 4K/144 Hz in demanding games unless you play games on medium settings maybe. Seriously, 7900XT is not even that fast and has pretty much same performance in 4K/UHD as 4070 Ti with no upscaling to save it, because FSR is worse than DLSS every time

It can do 4K/60Hz if you lower some settings, sure, many cards can do that, but 4K/144Hz with 100+ fps nah, you need 4080 or 7900XTX as bare minimum, preferably 4090

Or use upscaling but FSR is meh compared to DLSS

A 60Hz 4K panel will not show you the potential of a 7900XTX and 120Hz 1440P is not enough. Where you will see AMD's performance is with a 4K panel that has 144Hz and Freesync support. The card you got may have been loud but does not speak for the entire stack. I am not dreaming here.

1440p at 120 Hz? This is 2023, 144 Hz is bare minimum and most 1440p high-end IPS monitors have 240-360 Hz...

 

[Kapone33]

All those results are pure raster, on high settings - not even ultra...

Nvidia have nothing besides 4090? Haha 4070 Ti outsells 7900 XT with ease. Even 4080, which is actually overpriced, outsells entire Radeon 7900 range with ease. 7900 XT is not even present in Steams most popular Top GPUs and Nvidia dominates the top 25 completely. Most AMD GPUs present are old and cheap ones. Most people buy AMD GPUs because they are cheap and this is why higher-end AMD GPUs are not selling well.

4070 Ti is like 20-25% faster than 7800XT in raster.. why are you rambling about 7800XT anyway, the card brings nothing new and was way too late (but AMD had to sell out their huge radeon 6000 series inventory), 7800XT performs like a 6800XT in most games, pretty much a zero gen to gen improvement

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Every single feature that AMD copies from Nvidia, is worse. FSR 3 failed like expected too. AMD has nothing outside of raster performance really and they don't have the R&D funds to improve their features - hence the price.


7900XT is literally mediocre for 4K/144 Hz in demand

ing games unless you play games on medium settings maybe. Seriously, 7900XT is not even that fast and has pretty much same performance in 4K/UHD as 4070 Ti with no upscaling to save it, because FSR is worse than DLSS every time

It can do 4K/60Hz if you lower some settings, sure, many cards can do that, but 4K/144Hz with 100+ fps nah, you need 4080 or 7900XTX as bare minimum, preferably 4090

Or use upscaling but FSR is meh compared to DLSS


1440p at 120 Hz? This is 2023, 144 Hz is bare minimum and most 1440p high-end IPS monitors have 240-360 Hz...

It doesn't show the FPS counter for some reason but this is 4K and it does not go below 100 FPS.

 

[PerfectWave]

NEVER TRUST SOMEONE THAT TALK ABOUT STEAM HARDWARE STATS!!!!