A-10 5800k Apu crashes/restarts when playing games on IGPU

[OneMoar]

smells like ram/power supply to me as well
ignore the guy suggesting you format and install frigging linux he doesn't know what hes talking about

 

[GhostRyder]

okayy, i did fresh copy of windows 8, installed 13.12, no shit, this can't be solved, this machine is efd up, fruck amd and gigabyte

Wait wait wait, it seems that the machine was fine before the corrupted Bios issue correct? So if we go off by that then the bios restore has something wrong with it in that area. Its likely either a couple of things I can think of:

1: Ram issue
2: The Bios is still corrupted or missing something.

 

[OneMoar]

Wait wait wait, it seems that the machine was fine before the corrupted Bios issue correct? So if we go off by that then the bios restore has something wrong with it in that area. Its likely either a couple of things I can think of:

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2: The Bios is still corrupted or missing something.

you need to shh you are talking out your bum bios has nothing todo with the issue hes having
there is no such thing as "bios" corruption if the bios was corrupt then the machine would not post PERIOD!
CMOS != BIOS != relation to the problem
its either ram or power most likely power given the shitbox for a psu hes using
do what newteki said bump the ram to 1.65v if that doesn't do I would start uping the primary voltages by 0.25(or one step) (cpu core /cpu-nb and the PCI-e voltage)
and replace that crap psu

the directions on the box are only a guide just because the box says this ram will run at its rated speed does not mean it will they can't test every possible combination of hardware if you can't accept that fact that you will need todo some fiddling to get the machine stable then you should't have built your own pc

also whining "AMD sucks" just because you don't know what you are doing isn't gonna fix anything so I suggest you take a breath and think

 

[GhostRyder]

you need to shh you are talking out your bum bios has nothing todo with the issue hes having
there is no such thing as "bios" corruption if the bios was corrupt then the machine would not post PERIOD!
CMOS != BIOS != relation to the problem
its either ram or power most likely power given the shitbox for a psu hes using
do what newteki said bump the ram to 1.65v if that doesn't do I would start uping the primary voltages by 0.25(or one step) (cpu core /cpu-nb and the PCI-e voltage)
and replace that crap psu
also whining "AMD sucks" just because you don't know what you are doing isn't gonna fix anything so I suggest you take a breath and think

First of all who made you the god of everything so the one who needs to shush is you.

Second, he had a corrupted Bios as he stated in another post and after restoring said bios this issue occurred which leads to something in the bios being wrong whether it be a faulty setting or version that is not working correctly with the CPU or ram installed.

 

[OneMoar]

First of all who made you the god of everything so the one who needs to shush is you.

Second, he had a corrupted Bios as he stated in another post and after restoring said bios this issue occurred which leads to something in the bios being wrong whether it be a faulty setting or version that is not working correctly with the CPU or ram installed.

if you actually knew what you where talking about I would't need to explain why what you AND the op stated has nothing todo with his stability issue because neither you nor the op have any clue that what is coming out of your mouth is non-sense

 

[GhostRyder]

if you actually knew what you where talking about I would't need to explain why what you AND the op stated has nothing todo with his stability issue because neither you nor the op have any clue that what is coming out of your mouth is non-sense

Excuse me, the OP asked for help not for a rude person to act all high and mighty so the only person who needs to cool his jets is you.

You obviously did not read his previous post, the machine got messed up during a bios update and when his friend restored it the issues that are present now arose and he is where he is now. So it obviously has something to do with that and not a crappy PSU unless it failed in that time frame. APU uses barely any wattage when just using the CPU and GPU on die so a off brand 550Watt is not going to have problems powering that.

@Aardewolfe you may have a memory compatibility problem since I do not see that kit listed on the gigabyte motherboard support list. It may not be able to run at that high a frequency on that board so you may try knocking it down to 1600.

 

[OneMoar]

Excuse me, the OP asked for help not for a rude person to act all high and mighty.

You obviously did not read his previous post, the machine got messed up during a bios update and when his friend restored it the issues that are present now arose and he is where he is now. So it obviously has something to do with that and not a crappy PSU unless it failed in that time frame. APU uses barely any wattage when just using the CPU and GPU on die so a off brand 550Watt is not going to have problems powering that.

again your limitation-of-experience is showing lets shoot you down mmkay:

1. if indeed there was a failed flash attempt and a restore either via a SPI flash or whatever backup that board has. then it has NO bearing on his current issue in regards to "corruption" the rom image as well as the settings are protected a crc check assuming that indeed a full reflash was required ALL settings including ANY-BACKUPS would have been purged and the system restored to factory defaults specifically if you manage to botch a flash and then use either the boards 2d boot block or a spi-flash doggle then the ENTIRE rom is completely wiped and everything is 0000d out - very special cases involving systems with mulipl bios chips his board does have dual bios's so if he botched a upgrade the system would have auto-booted from the second chip and then that chip would have reflashed the primary chip and there would have been no need for his friend todo anything other then press f2 twice all cmos settings and profiles are PURGED during this process

2. its not about wattage its about AMPS and how CLEAN the power is you could have a 1200WAT psu and if its got 20MV of ripple its as good as junk
now is is possible that something isn't configured correctly in the bios certainly is it "corruption" or a "error" nope

now hes getting crashes at GAMING load particularly when stressing the gpu block
that tells me that one of the following is causing the instability
1.dirty power from that cheap unit causing ripple when under load this screws up the voltage regulation leading to momentary dips and spikes in voltage not enough to cause any damage but enough to make things a bit unstable
2. the particular apu/board combo isn't quite up to 100.5% spec: give the voltages a little bump and that will alleviate any marginal IC quality issues also will help correct for problem 1

3. since he obviously reset to factory defaults its possible the the ram timings are off a little tho this is less likely because this kind of fault generally shows in the form of a BSOD or hard lock regardless of weather the APU is stressed or not given that he is seeing problems primarily when gaming that tells me that while its not impossible it would be lower on the list of things to check
so in closing
1. check that the ram is running at its rated speed and timings and voltage and apply correction as needed
2. give everybody a 0.25v bump and see if that helps if it does then you need to restore the previous values one at a time to isolate the cause
3. run a memtest via the startup menu and let it run for SEVERAL HOURS
4. don't search threads for other peoples problems and then use that as your SOLE basis for offering advice my point of contention is this quote here :I saw another post about an bios issue, you may have a bad bios version so I would try putting the latest Stable version from gigabyte:
you never linked to said post nor explained your reasoning so I am left to believe that you punched in the search-o-matic took the first thread you found as the chronicle of god and then made up your mind that that had to be the issue then you started spouting utter non-sense about "corrupt" bios and bad backups without frigging understanding what exactly happen or what happens on a duel bios board when a upgrade is botched and I am extremely dubious that anything was botched in the first place and the op is simply failing to understand what happened

 

[Aardwolfe]

i'm p

I'm thinking its something other than the processors...

What kind of crashes are we looking at anyway??? Hardware based BSODS, or just program crashes (xxxx.exe has stopped working)?

The ubuntu idea seems like it should work. Maybe run memtest and such for seeing errors.

the problem is, i'm playing a game, or running 3dmarkvantage, after sometime the pc will restart giving no error, that's it ... it just restarts and sometimes freezes, giving stuttering sound ... that's all

Test your RAM. You might also have to bump up the voltage on the RAM, it is only running at 1.5v but some HyperX 1866 kits require 1.65v to run stable(the CAS10 kits run at 1.5v but the CAS9 kits require 1.65v).

Also, most Chieftech power supplies are crap, so that could be causing the issue too.

mine runs at 1.5v, it's CL 11

Wait wait wait, it seems that the machine was fine before the corrupted Bios issue correct? So if we go off by that then the bios restore has something wrong with it in that area. Its likely either a couple of things I can think of:

1: Ram issue
2: The Bios is still corrupted or missing something.

@OneMoar ... i have two psu, the other one is hiper 530w, totally sleeved, dual railed ... giving complete volatge of 3.3,5 and 12v, tested on aidaextreme ... i don't know if it's still powert supply or my ram ... @GhostRyder ... when i first bought this package, i only tested it with kingston 1333 2gb, so i didn't check the gaming performance as it's of no use at such speeds, then i got these hyper x, even before the bios corrupt thing, it restarted while i was testing the igpu in bf3 mp, i thought might be a game glitch, so i updated the bios and shit happened, but i recovered the bios, everything is good but no luck the igpu, don't know why ...

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you need to shh you are talking out your bum bios has nothing todo with the issue hes having
there is no such thing as "bios" corruption if the bios was corrupt then the machine would not post PERIOD!
CMOS != BIOS != relation to the problem
its either ram or power most likely power given the shitbox for a psu hes using
do what newteki said bump the ram to 1.65v if that doesn't do I would start uping the primary voltages by 0.25(or one step) (cpu core /cpu-nb and the PCI-e voltage)
and replace that crap psu

the directions on the box are only a guide just because the box says this ram will run at its rated speed does not mean it will they can't test every possible combination of hardware if you can't accept that fact that you will need todo some fiddling to get the machine stable then you should't have built your own pc

also whining "AMD sucks" just because you don't know what you are doing isn't gonna fix anything so I suggest you take a breath and think

@OneMoar provided the language ur using, all the newbie and newtechi thing ... i might be new on this forum, but we have our own forum in our country, i'm a senior member of pakgamers.com from pakistan, if i'm posting here, that only means that i'm new with amd, i hope u better edify ur language, forums are supposed to be respectful, it's not facebook or shit to fuck about things ... so peace, try not harm any personality and start contributing to the problem thanks ... i might have more benchmarks then u can ever think of ... newtechi, lol

Excuse me, the OP asked for help not for a rude person to act all high and mighty so the only person who needs to cool his jets is you.

You obviously did not read his previous post, the machine got messed up during a bios update and when his friend restored it the issues that are present now arose and he is where he is now. So it obviously has something to do with that and not a crappy PSU unless it failed in that time frame. APU uses barely any wattage when just using the CPU and GPU on die so a off brand 550Watt is not going to have problems powering that.

@Aardewolfe you may have a memory compatibility problem since I do not see that kit listed on the gigabyte motherboard support list. It may not be able to run at that high a frequency on that board so you may try knocking it down to 1600.

bro u got me an idea, my friend has vangeance 1600mhz, let me ask him if he can lend me that ram for few hours, thanks @GhostRyder really appreciate this ... and this board go upto 2400mhz on ram, tested by the guy from whom bought it ...

 

[eidairaman1]

You need to combine posts, and read forum guidelines... be careful of esd. Ram is probably the most susceptable to it just by handling the modules...

 

[OneMoar]

Aardwolfe software sensors are never to be taken seriously unless you have had the psu on a test bench assume that its bad
Thats rule 1 when trouble shooting a suggested bad psu or any Suspected hardware related issue


throw some voltage at it and watch it get fixed also when that no-name cheap chinese made unit explodes and takes the entire system with it I don't wanna read about it on TPU


memory compatibility issues are certainly possible there has been many a case of x brand or ram not working on x board due to memory IC differences and them just not liking each other its always been that way even way back in the 386 days

do i believe its a issue here absolutely not: because I know what the symptoms of that kind of "incompatibility" are and i have never seen a case where your problem was a result

amd generally require more tweaking then intel ESPECIALLY when it comes to getting stability at higher memory speeds that apu supports 1866 but very few will do that out of the box

4 people here have told you how to fix it you don't seem to want to listen remember you are the one asking for advice I don't give a crap if you work for PCmag that doesn't mean you know what you are doing
so ill reiterate
UP THE CPU AND CHIPSET VOLTAGES BY 0.25 IF THAT DOESN'T DO IT then you can move on to trying other kits of ram 0.25 isn't even gonna increase the temps more then 5F
on amd you may very well need to adjust the timings to get 1866 first rule of AMD
AMD Lie

 

[GhostRyder]

Aardwolfe software sensors are never to be taken seriously unless you have had the psu on a test bench assume that its bad
Thats rule 1 when trouble shooting a suggested bad psu or any Suspected hardware related issue


throw some voltage at it and watch it get fixed also when that no-name cheap chinese made unit explodes and takes the entire system with it I don't wanna read about it on TPU

ghost is one of the types of people on this board I don't tolerate he doesn't have a clue what hes talking about but speaks as if he does and the lesser informed buy into it and end up with broken systems
memory compatibility certainly possible there has been many a case of x brand or ram not working on x board due to memory IC differences and them just not liking each other its always been that way
do i believe its a issue here absolutely not: because I know what the symptoms of that kind of "incompatibility" are and i have never seen a case where your problem was a result
amd generally require more tweaking then intel ESPECIALLY when it comes to getting stability at higher memory speeds that apu supports 1866 but very few will do that out of the box
4 people here have told you how to fix it you don't seem to want to listen remember you are the one asking for advice I don't give a crap if you work for PCmag that doesn't mean you know what you are going

Your one to talk, I don't tolerate people who for starters can't even write a complete sentence and then start fights with people over whose idea is better when the reality is your supposed to help people out. Another thing is if you can't even take a second to notice a second post regarding an issue with the same system chances are you have very little experience since one of the main rules is to always do your research. Last time I'm speaking to you, just putting your almighty on the ignore list since you have nothing intelligent to say. Maybe you should grow up...

bro u got me an idea, my friend has vangeance 1600mhz, let me ask him if he can lend me that ram for few hours, thanks @GhostRyder really appreciate this ... and this board go upto 2400mhz on ram, tested by the guy from whom bought it ...

Ram is finicky on an AMD APU, you sometimes have to double check compatibility when buying along with making sure the settings that the ram is rated to run at are correct in the bios information.

 

[Steevo]

Calm down ladies.


If it restarts without any error message, go to Start-> Control Panel->System & Sec->System->Advanced System Settings Click Startup and Recovery and uncheck the box for "Automatically restart"

Next open Administrative Tools->Event Viewer->Windows Logs->System Click on the "Level" until the critical items are listed first, choose the last one, right click copy details as text, and past into a post here.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb963902.aspx

Download and run this, create a log file, attach and post it as well.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Just spent some time cleaning up this mess..... please don't double, triple or quadruple post, if your too lazy to use the multiquote or edit function then I will just start deleting. Then again if this petty and childish tit for tat behaviour continues I will just delete the thread anyway..... win win! Thank you.

 

[Aardwolfe]

Thank u everyone for effing ur minds with my sh#t

Problem solved @OneMoar and @GhostRyder and all the rest, took my friend's vangeance 4gb 1600mhz and posting the result, my hyperX wasn't faulty, but just incompatible, my friend is using my hyperx rams on his 2nd gen i3 system and are working fine ... Hell of performance downgrade on igpu using 1600mhz from 1866mhz ... 33-38 fps nfs most wanted came down to 20-25 fps at 1600mhz speed ...

Kombustor test for 32min with Vangeance 4gb 1600mhz (using xmt profile, can't get it above 1600):

 

[eidairaman1]

Normally gskill or Corsair Will be.

 

[GhostRyder]

Thank u everyone for effing ur minds with my sh#t

Problem solved @OneMoar and @GhostRyder and all the rest, took my friend's vangeance 4gb 1600mhz and posting the result, my hyperX wasn't faulty, but just incompatible, my friend is using my hyperx rams on his 2nd gen i3 system and are working fine ... Hell of performance downgrade on igpu using 1600mhz from 1866mhz ... 33-38 fps nfs most wanted came down to 20-25 fps at 1600mhz speed ...

Kombustor test for 32min with Vangeance 4gb 1600mhz (using xmt profile, can't get it above 1600):

Glad I could help you sir.

Now suggest me 1866/2133 ram that would be compatible with the apu ...

Gskill Trident works on every APU system ive built so far so I can safely recommend them. However it would come down to the compatibility list from Gigabyte.

I put some Gskill Trident X 2400 2x4gb set on a A10-7850k and Asrock A88X board and it worked flawlessly. Also similar to what you have in there now I have had no trouble from putting some corsair inside an A10-6800K system with a gigabyte A88X board (Its a 1600 set though probably the same you have inside now).

I would recommend both of them for your system as they have some very good AMD support and I have not had problems with them on APU's. But I would just make sure with the compatibility list that it will be supported because it can have more information as needed.

 

[erocker]

@Aardwolfe

Have you tried just giving your current RAM more voltage? Many AMD setups I've had just like to have the ram set to around .05 (or a little more) extra volts to keep stable.

 

[Aardwolfe]

Glad I could help you sir.


Gskill Trident works on every APU system ive built so far so I can safely recommend them. However it would come down to the compatibility list from Gigabyte.

I put some Gskill Trident X 2400 2x4gb set on a A10-7850k and Asrock A88X board and it worked flawlessly. Also similar to what you have in there now I have had no trouble from putting some corsair inside an A10-6800K system with a gigabyte A88X board (Its a 1600 set though probably the same you have inside now).

I would recommend both of them for your system as they have some very good AMD support and I have not had problems with them on APU's. But I would just make sure with the compatibility list that it will be supported because it can have more information as needed.

Thanks alot bro, but i guess trident isn't in the list, i already sent that support the person who provided me the ram, i asked him to replace me the ram, m gonna post the list of rams he has ... kindly tell me in that list, which one should i go for ... thanks amigos ...

Here goes the list:
1) Kingston HyperX Beast (T3) - 16GB Kit* (2x8GB) - DDR3 1866MHz Intel XMP 1.5Volt
2) Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 Memory Kit
3) Crucial® Ballistix® Sport Series 8GB Stick
4) vangeance is an option, but i want 1866mhz, so no to vangeance

 

[GhostRyder]

Thanks alot bro, but i guess trident isn't in the list, i already sent that support the person who provided me the ram, i asked him to replace me the ram, m gonna post the list of rams he has ... kindly tell me in that list, which one should i go for ... thanks amigos ...

Here goes the list:
1) Kingston HyperX Beast (T3) - 16GB Kit* (2x8GB) - DDR3 1866MHz Intel XMP 1.5Volt
2) Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 Memory Kit
3) Crucial® Ballistix® Sport Series 8GB Stick
4) vangeance is an option, but i want 1866mhz, so no to vangeance

Corsair Vengeance does come in many 1866 flavors and above, even comes in 3 different colors

I would get the Corsair if I was you personally also because the Kingston HyperX provided an issue before for you but I have only tried one crucial set in an APU and it was 1333. As long as the motherboard guarantees support, then you should have no problems other than maybe a tweak here and there.

You could try this Gskill set, it supports the Gskill Ripjaws series (Specifically the 2133 Z and X series according to the manufacturer site).

 

[Aardwolfe]

Corsair Vengeance does come in many 1866 flavors and above, even comes in 3 different colors

I would get the Corsair if I was you personally also because the Kingston HyperX provided an issue before for you but I have only tried one crucial set in an APU and it was 1333. As long as the motherboard guarantees support, then you should have no problems other than maybe a tweak here and there.

You could try this Gskill set, it supports the Gskill Ripjaws series (Specifically the 2133 Z and X series according to the manufacturer site).

only following rams bro, cuz i ain't gettin my refund ... plus 2133 are kits of 16gb, i don't have that much budget now ... have to get 4 or 8gb for currently

 

[GhostRyder]

only following rams bro, cuz i ain't gettin my refund ... plus 2133 are kits of 16gb, i don't have that much budget now ... have to get 4 or 8gb for currently

Only problem I run into with that board is the support list for 1866 is quite small actually with 2 of them listed as end of life...

Of the choices you have listed, I would say that there are no listing of crucial support beyond 1600mhz so I would say to avoid them on that motherboard just to be safe. The Kingston is what you just replaced that was not working so I would try to avoid them, might I ask if this is out of range for you because it says they support this ram in the 4x4gb kit.
http://www.amazon.co_uk/dp/B006FWYGSE/?tag=tec053-21

In all honesty I would try to get a Gskill set if you can because they seem to be low on the biased support side and just work for at least me even when not listed on the motherboard manufacturer's website. These normally have very good support in all systems I run across.

If your going with your choices, I guess Kingston would be the only option I would trust just because crucial's support list is a bit low and you can't get a vengeance set. But I would try and get something local if you can so you can test it before hand if that is at all possible if thats what your looking at.

But beyond that, for an APU I really only like to recommend Gskill or Corsair because they seem to just work without much stress compared to other brands on the AMD platform.

 

[newtekie1]

Thanks alot bro, but i guess trident isn't in the list, i already sent that support the person who provided me the ram, i asked him to replace me the ram, m gonna post the list of rams he has ... kindly tell me in that list, which one should i go for ... thanks amigos ... Here goes the list: 1) Kingston HyperX Beast (T3) - 16GB Kit* (2x8GB) - DDR3 1866MHz Intel XMP 1.5Volt 2) Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 Memory Kit 3) Crucial® Ballistix® Sport Series 8GB Stick 4) vangeance is an option, but i want 1866mhz, so no to vangeance

I'm glad this got solved. I was just checking back here and was going to mention that after building ~20 FM2 computers in the last year that they can be extremely finicky with RAM. Even your original BIOS issue sounds like an issue with the RAM to me. I've had these things just start failing to post, and swapping out RAM worked. And the 5800K seems to be the worst of the bunch for RAM compatibility.

Oddly enough though, usually the HyperX RAM works just fine. Though I've never used the CAS11 stuff. I'm guessing that they are running the CAS11 stuff with that high of timings because they just barely passed quality control for 1866.

Anyway, I'd actually go with the Vengence RAM. I've had extremely good success with Corsair Vengence RAM and the FM2 APUs. In fact, it is what I run in my personal APU rigs. I'm currently running Vengence RAM in both APU rigs in my signature. The A8-5800K Rig is actually using the Vegence 1600MHz CAS9 Ram. It easily runs at 1866MHz, I just changed the timings from 9-9-9-24 to 9-10-9-27, that is actually all Corsair does to get the RAM running faster. The standard Vengence 1866 memory runs at 9-10-9-17 by default, and their Vengence 1600 runs at 9-9-9-24 by default. So all I did was buy the cheaper stuff and manual adjust the settings to match the more expensive stuff.

 

[eidairaman1]

@Aardwolfe

Have you tried just giving your current RAM more voltage? Many AMD setups I've had just like to have the ram set to around .05 (or a little more) extra volts to keep stable.

I would just set it to the specs on label,

Bros Ph2 x2 555 be unlocked to x4 955 be 1600 Gskill.

 

[Aardwolfe]

I'm glad this got solved. I was just checking back here and was going to mention that after building ~20 FM2 computers in the last year that they can be extremely finicky with RAM. Even your original BIOS issue sounds like an issue with the RAM to me. I've had these things just start failing to post, and swapping out RAM worked. And the 5800K seems to be the worst of the bunch for RAM compatibility.

Oddly enough though, usually the HyperX RAM works just fine. Though I've never used the CAS11 stuff. I'm guessing that they are running the CAS11 stuff with that high of timings because they just barely passed quality control for 1866.

Anyway, I'd actually go with the Vengence RAM. I've had extremely good success with Corsair Vengence RAM and the FM2 APUs. In fact, it is what I run in my personal APU rigs. I'm currently running Vengence RAM in both APU rigs in my signature. The A8-5800K Rig is actually using the Vegence 1600MHz CAS9 Ram. It easily runs at 1866MHz, I just changed the timings from 9-9-9-24 to 9-10-9-27, that is actually all Corsair does to get the RAM running faster. The standard Vengence 1866 memory runs at 9-10-9-17 by default, and their Vengence 1600 runs at 9-9-9-24 by default. So all I did was buy the cheaper stuff and manual adjust the settings to match the more expensive stuff.

i never cared for ram speed before on my any intel setup before, but here bcause of the apu, more speed means more igpu performance, and it's really hard for me to handle the timings, cz every board has different bios settings, mine is Gigabyte F2A85X-up4 ... btw i have ordered xms3 4gb 1600mhz in exchange to that hyperX, will arrive on wednesday ... i'm gonna sell this setup, didn't make me happy at all, never knew amd and gigabyte can be that glitcy, i switched from asus to gigabyte, terrible mistake i guess ...

@eidairaman1 Gs.kill rams are currently unavailable in my country, the retailer stopped bringing them as the prices raised too much ... still new prices are too high for all the rams, we have to rely on some importer for rams at great price and great rams ...

 

[newtekie1]

The odd thing is too, I didn't really see that big of a drop off in performance going from 1866 to 1600, maybe 1-2FPS but definitely not 10+. By any chance was the Vengence RAM you got from your friend a single stick?

Also, I've never been a fan of Gigabyte, the one FM2 Gigabyte board I got(it might have even been the same one you have) was a total pain in the ass. It was the one that literally stopped POSTing randomly until I replaced the RAM with 1333 memory, then it kept BSODing even with the computer was idle but it would happen faster under load. I ended up sending the motherboard back and getting an ASRock. I stick pretty exclusively to ASRock or ASUS, I only used the Gigabyte board that one time because it was I could get locally in a hurry.