• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Briefly Shows Off Zen “Summit Ridge” Silicon

Joined
Jan 5, 2006
Messages
11,515 (2.05/day)
System Name Desktop / Laptop
Processor Intel i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz (1.270 V) / Intel i3 7100U
Motherboard Asus Z170 Pro Gaming / HP 83A3 (U3E1)
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut + 5 case fans / Fan
Memory 16GB DDR4 Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz CL15 / 8GB DDR4 HyperX CL13
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio / Intel HD620
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 500GB + Samsung 850 Pro 512GB + Samsung 860 Evo 1TB x2 / Samsung 256GB M.2 SSD
Display(s) 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p / 14" 1080p IPS Glossy
Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window / HP Pavilion
Audio Device(s) SupremeFX Onboard / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W / Powerbrick
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless / Logitech M330 wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless / HP backlit
Software Windows 10 / Windows 10

After an already packed Computex 2016 event with Radeon Polaris and Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge news, AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su had one final surprise to close out the company’s presentation: Zen, in the flesh.

Zen taped out earlier this year, and AMD is now working on bringing it up in their labs. To that end Dr. Su pulled out a very early engineering sample of what will be AMD’s Summit Ridge CPU, an 8 core Zen-based CPU. Summit Ridge will use AMD’s new AM4 socket – currently being rolled out for Bristol Ridge – making it a drop-in platform replacement.


Little in the way of new details on Summit Ridge and Zen were released, but Dr. Su confirmed that AMD is still targeting a 40% IPC increase. On the development front, the chip still has some work to undergo, but AMD is to the point where they are going to start sampling their top-tier, high profile customers with engineering samples here in a few weeks. Wider sampling to their larger OEM base will in turn take place in Q3 of this year. AMD has not mentioned a retail product date, but keep in mind there’s a fairly significant lag time between OEM sampling and retail products.


Finally, Dr. Su also reiterated that Zen will be the basis of a range of products for AMD. Along with the desktop CPU, AMD will be using Zen as the basis of their next, 8th generation APU. And further down the line it will be appearing in server products and embedded products as well.

http://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/48163/amd-demonstreert-zen-processor---update
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10391/amd-briefly-shows-off-zen-summit-ridge-silicon
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,147 (5.69/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2015
Processor Intel Core i7-6700K (4 x 4.00 GHz) w/ HT and Turbo on
Motherboard MSI Z170A GAMING M7
Cooling Scythe Kotetsu
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-2133 8 GiB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon RX 5500 XT Pulse 8 GiB
Storage Crucial MX300 275 GB, Seagate Exos X12 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei RAW
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
Kind of sad they are targeting servers last. AMD could pull a Polaris releasing 8-16 core chips that hugely undercut Intel's Xeon price and AMD wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves. Trying to convince OEMs to sell AMDs is an uphill climb especially considering the bulk of sales is laptops which isn't even mentioned.
 
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,194 (1.35/day)
Processor Intel i7 950 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E
Cooling Corsair H50 push/pull
Memory Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7970 OC
Storage Plextor M5P 128GB/WD Black 2x1TB,1x6TB/Seagate 1TB
Display(s) Panasonic TC-L32U3
Case Antec DF-85
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371 AVR
Power Supply XFX 850w Black Edition
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
So, they've gone from assuring ("Delivers 40% more IPC"), to assuming (still targeting a 40% IPC increase).

A lot of people notice such small details you know. Is this them putting both feet in their mouths again?
 
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
5,583 (1.16/day)
System Name Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics
Processor Undead CPU
Motherboard Undead TUF X99
Cooling Noctua NH-D15
Memory GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 FTW Ultra
Storage Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB
Display(s) Acer K272HUL, HTC Vive
Case Fractal Design R5
Audio Device(s) BOSE 2.0
Power Supply Seasonic 850watt
Mouse Logitech Master MX
Keyboard Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue
Software Windows 10 Professional/Linux Mint
Please don't be another disappointment AMD. Your CPU department really needs a strong comeback now.
 
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,194 (1.35/day)
Processor Intel i7 950 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E
Cooling Corsair H50 push/pull
Memory Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7970 OC
Storage Plextor M5P 128GB/WD Black 2x1TB,1x6TB/Seagate 1TB
Display(s) Panasonic TC-L32U3
Case Antec DF-85
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371 AVR
Power Supply XFX 850w Black Edition
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Please don't be another disappointment AMD. Your CPU department really needs a strong comeback now.


Well, the good thing is, they know raw power is what's needed, not floating module crap. Plus it will no doubt fare better than Bullcrapper. My concern at this point is if that 40% talk is going to be more like 25% average, and only peak at 40%.
 
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
3,884 (0.77/day)
System Name Medusa
Processor i7 2600k @4.8ghz
Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro
Cooling CPU : Noctua NH-L12 GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5)
Memory 16gb Kingston Hyper X DDR3 @2133
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 TI
Storage Samsung 8series NVM 1TB, Hitachi 3TB 2x 5400
Display(s) Predator X34P/Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h
Case Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame]
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100
Power Supply Seasonic X-850
Mouse Razer Naga 2014
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FFXIV ARR Benchmark 1600p score 12,098[this means nothing any more!]
Well, the good thing is, they know raw power is what's needed, not floating module crap. Plus it will no doubt fare better than Bullcrapper. My concern at this point is if that 40% talk is going to be more like 25% average, and only peak at 40%.
I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
8,787 (2.15/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R7 3800X@4.350/525/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero7 @bios 2703/?
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu Monoblock Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in two sticks./16Gb
Video Card(s) Sapphire refference Rx vega 64 EK waterblocked/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power qlc nvmex3 in raid 0/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync, LG 49" 4K 60hz ,Oculus
Case Lianli p0-11 dynamic
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.

Do the right things with them and they are quite capable ie fold ,just fold anyway but mines earned a lot more points for me than an I5 would have ,and still plays any game out there at playable if not competition levels so I have only the slightest fear Zen might be worse then advertised,I'd just get a fourth year out of my fx, damn my stupity(and for 159 uk notes).
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
14,835 (6.10/day)
Location
The Washing Machine
Processor i7 8700k 4.6Ghz @ 1.24V
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440)
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Audio Device(s) Situational :)
Power Supply EVGA G2 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II (Best K/B ever... <3)
Software W10 x64
I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.

Well if we follow that line, 'Zen' also isn't the best name then is it...
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
4,965 (1.99/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD-9370BE @4.6
Motherboard ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 +SB950
Cooling CM Nepton 280L
Memory G.Skill Sniper 16gb DDR3 2400
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 1080 Gaming X 8GB
Storage C:\SSD (240GB), D:\Seagate (2TB), E:\Western Digital (1TB)
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech G910 Orion Spark
Software windows 10
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
Wonder if AM4 sockets will be backward compatible like AM3 was.
 
Joined
Jul 9, 2015
Messages
2,820 (1.32/day)
System Name My all round PC
Processor i5 750
Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E
Memory 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire 380 OC... sold, waiting for Navi
Storage 256GB Samsung SSD + 2Tb + 1.5Tb
Display(s) Samsung 40" A650 TV
Case Thermaltake Chaser mk-I Tower
Power Supply 425w Enermax MODU 82+
Software Windows 10
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,194 (1.35/day)
Processor Intel i7 950 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E
Cooling Corsair H50 push/pull
Memory Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7970 OC
Storage Plextor M5P 128GB/WD Black 2x1TB,1x6TB/Seagate 1TB
Display(s) Panasonic TC-L32U3
Case Antec DF-85
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371 AVR
Power Supply XFX 850w Black Edition
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Well, are Intel CPU's 40% better in IPC alone? I don't think there is such masive gap...

Then again Intel never had a CPU as crappy as Bulldozer to follow did they? I'm pretty sure AMD is talking only low thread performance improvement too. I'm really doubting multi thread performance will see a 40% gain, especially when they're now saying they're "targeting" that, vs achieving it.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
21,448 (4.06/day)
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k 4.4GHz :: Athlon II x4 630 3.5GHz
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply FSP Hydro GE 550w :: something
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
I just hope it's enough to make a difference. Intel's just lumbering around smacking everybody with their dick at this point.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Messages
13,791 (2.27/day)
Then again Intel never had a CPU as crappy as Bulldozer to follow did they? I'm pretty sure AMD is talking only low thread performance improvement too. I'm really doubting multi thread performance will see a 40% gain, especially when they're now saying they're "targeting" that, vs achieving it.

Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.
 
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
1,585 (0.52/day)
Location
Spencerport NY
System Name Master
Processor Pair of Xeon X5675's @ 4.3
Motherboard SR-2 Classified
Memory 12 GB of Corsair Dominator GT's @ 2000 7-7-7-21
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX680
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 750
Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.
Not just Prescott, pretty much all of Netburst.
 
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
2,785 (0.79/day)
Location
New Zealand
System Name MoneySink
Processor 2600K @ 4.8
Motherboard P8Z77-V
Cooling AC NexXxos XT45 360, RayStorm, D5T+XSPC tank, Tygon R-3603, Bitspower
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600C8
Video Card(s) GTX 780 SLI (EVGA SC ACX + Giga GHz Ed.)
Storage Kingston HyperX SSD (128) OS, WD RE4 (1TB), RE2 (1TB), Cav. Black (2 x 500GB), Red (4TB)
Display(s) Achieva Shimian QH270-IPSMS (2560x1440) S-IPS
Case NZXT Switch 810
Audio Device(s) onboard Realtek yawn edition
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050
Software Win8.1 Pro
Benchmark Scores 3.5 litres of Pale Ale in 18 minutes.
Kind of sad they are targeting servers last.
Yeah, like that is a possibility:
1. Qualification of server hardware requires a longer lead in time and is more intensive than consumer hardware. If AMD are still in the process of getting all their Zen ducks in a row, the overall enterprise QA lead in time needs to be longer.
2. Enterprise OEMs will probably want to see both the processor and the platform in its final form ( top CPU bins) before jumping on board. OEM's got burned by Bulldozer, and very few did little more than legacy support and offer Piledriver upgrades subsequently.
3. Intel's Xeon model allows for drop in upgrades of LGA 1150/2011-1/2011-3. Processor core and TDP upgrades are generally cheaper than buying a whole new platform...and of course, AMD won't be competing at the high end of the cores per socket market.

I'm sure, with the margins associated with server platforms, that if targeting the enterprise sector first was viable that is exactly what AMD would be doing.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,194 (1.35/day)
Processor Intel i7 950 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E
Cooling Corsair H50 push/pull
Memory Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7970 OC
Storage Plextor M5P 128GB/WD Black 2x1TB,1x6TB/Seagate 1TB
Display(s) Panasonic TC-L32U3
Case Antec DF-85
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371 AVR
Power Supply XFX 850w Black Edition
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.

Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.

And even so, I had a Pentium 4 Northwood when I first got into gaming, and it performed admirably until dual core was needed. So there were some standouts in the P4 line.

Then there's the fact that Conroe is Core 2 Duo, but Prescott is single core, while Bulldozer and Zen are both 8 core. So that's not really an apples to apples 40% improvement comparison.

Conroe wasn't made just to improve on Prescott, it was part of an industry wide leap from single core to dual core that was going on at the time. Quite a big difference from Bulldozer to Zen, which is an architecture change on an admitted failed design.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
2,785 (0.79/day)
Location
New Zealand
System Name MoneySink
Processor 2600K @ 4.8
Motherboard P8Z77-V
Cooling AC NexXxos XT45 360, RayStorm, D5T+XSPC tank, Tygon R-3603, Bitspower
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600C8
Video Card(s) GTX 780 SLI (EVGA SC ACX + Giga GHz Ed.)
Storage Kingston HyperX SSD (128) OS, WD RE4 (1TB), RE2 (1TB), Cav. Black (2 x 500GB), Red (4TB)
Display(s) Achieva Shimian QH270-IPSMS (2560x1440) S-IPS
Case NZXT Switch 810
Audio Device(s) onboard Realtek yawn edition
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050
Software Win8.1 Pro
Benchmark Scores 3.5 litres of Pale Ale in 18 minutes.
Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.
Twelve years ago last month since Intel officially put a pin in NetBurst with the Tejas cancellation.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Messages
13,791 (2.27/day)
Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.

And even so, I had a Pentium 4 Northwood when I first got into gaming, and it performed admirably until dual core was needed. So there were some standouts in the P4 line.

Then there's the fact that Conroe is Core 2 Duo, but Prescott is single core, while Bulldozer and Zen are both 8 core. So that's not really an apples to apples 40% improvement comparison.

Conroe wasn't made just to improve on Prescott, it was part of an industry wide leap from single core to dual core that was going on at the time. Quite a big difference from Bulldozer to Zen, which is an architecture change on an admitted failed design.

Now you're making it sound like AMD hasn't done anything worthwhile. Even when Core was released, AMD was in very good position with Athlon64 CPU's. The Athlon FX were used in nearly all benchmarks at the time. Even later, they had proper multi-core CPU's where Intel was mostly just stacking up stand alone cores into a single die. Hell, even Phenom processors weren't that bad, in fact the Phenom II X6 were quite highly praised.
 
Joined
May 4, 2009
Messages
1,952 (0.44/day)
Location
Bulgaria
System Name penguin
Processor R5 2400G
Motherboard Asrock B450M Pro4
Cooling Box
Memory 4 x Kingston HyperX Fury 2666MHz
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage ADATA SU800 512GB
Display(s) 27' LG
Case Zalman
Audio Device(s) stock
Power Supply Seasonic SS-620GM
Software win10
Well, are Intel CPU's 40% better in IPC alone? I don't think there is such masive gap...

Skylake's about twice as fast per core as Bulldozer, so even in the best case scenario where Zen is 40% faster, it'd still be 10% behind Skylake per core. That would of course still be perfectly fine as long as the price is right and you get to have more cores than an intel CPU in the same price bracket.

Not just Prescott, pretty much all of Netburst.

If we really have to quantify the level of falure, I'd say that the original Phenoms was as bad as P4 and Bulldozer was multiple times worse than both.
 
Joined
Jan 13, 2014
Messages
423 (0.16/day)
Location
Riga
System Name Pukeko
Processor Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max
Cooling Hyper 212 Black Edition
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz DDR4 CL15
Video Card(s) Asus RX 5600 XT TUF Gaming X3 OC
Storage XPG SX8200 Pro 256GB, Crucial MX500 1TB
Display(s) 2x ASUS TUF Gaming VG249Q
Case NZXT, H510i, Matte Black/Red, Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s) TUF Gaming H3
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME Ultra 550W Gold
Mouse Touchpad + Logitech MX518
Keyboard Cooler Master, CK 350, Outemu Red
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores 7,42,69 and 666
Skylake's about twice as fast per core as Bulldozer, so even in the best case scenario where Zen is 40% faster, it'd still be 10% behind Skylake per core.

I think that if Skylike is twice as fast as Bulldozer, then Skylake is 100% faster. If Zen is 40% faster than Bulldozer, then Skylake is 60% faster then Zen. No?
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,670 (5.12/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores || Into the Blue
Processor 2990WX || 5960X
Motherboard Asrock X399M || Asus X99M WS
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL || TBD
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16 || EVGA 3200 2x8GB
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's || EVGA 1080Ti FE
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB || OCZ Vector 180 480GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz || TBD
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal || Supermicro S5 (GS5A-753K)
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w || Seasonic Snow Silent 750w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller || TBD
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX, Steam controller || Corsair K70
Software W10P || W10P
Kind of sad they are targeting servers last. AMD could pull a Polaris releasing 8-16 core chips that hugely undercut Intel's Xeon price and AMD wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves. Trying to convince OEMs to sell AMDs is an uphill climb especially considering the bulk of sales is laptops which isn't even mentioned.

My guess for servers being last is yields suck right now and instead of risking no ability to keep up with demand they will release consumer products as a test bed to improve processes before releasing to the server market.

Wonder if AM4 sockets will be backward compatible like AM3 was.

Not in anyway. Cpu has the chipset on board.
 
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,194 (1.35/day)
Processor Intel i7 950 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E
Cooling Corsair H50 push/pull
Memory Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7970 OC
Storage Plextor M5P 128GB/WD Black 2x1TB,1x6TB/Seagate 1TB
Display(s) Panasonic TC-L32U3
Case Antec DF-85
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371 AVR
Power Supply XFX 850w Black Edition
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Now you're making it sound like AMD hasn't done anything worthwhile. Even when Core was released, AMD was in very good position with Athlon64 CPU's. The Athlon FX were used in nearly all benchmarks at the time. Even later, they had proper multi-core CPU's where Intel was mostly just stacking up stand alone cores into a single die. Hell, even Phenom processors weren't that bad, in fact the Phenom II X6 were quite highly praised.


Oh PLEASE, first you compare an 8 core to 8 core 40% boost, to a single core to dual core 40% boost, and now you're claiming I'm ragging on ALL AMD products just because you have no answer for my mentioning that?

You were the one that took the argument 12 years back into product line, while I kept topic regarding AMD specifically to Bulldozer and Zen. So please, stop with the BS.

Again, I'm referring specifically to how deplorable BULLDOZER was, and I still think my point on it was correct. Intel never had to do a same core count increase of 40% to overcome such horrible design. Your example does not take into account the evolution to dual core.
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,670 (5.12/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores || Into the Blue
Processor 2990WX || 5960X
Motherboard Asrock X399M || Asus X99M WS
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL || TBD
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16 || EVGA 3200 2x8GB
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's || EVGA 1080Ti FE
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB || OCZ Vector 180 480GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz || TBD
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal || Supermicro S5 (GS5A-753K)
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w || Seasonic Snow Silent 750w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller || TBD
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX, Steam controller || Corsair K70
Software W10P || W10P
Oh PLEASE, first you compare an 8 core to 8 core 40% boost, to a single core to dual core 40% boost, and now you're claiming I'm ragging on ALL AMD products just because you have no answer for my mentioning that?

You were the one that took the argument 12 years back into product line, while I kept topic regarding AMD specifically to Bulldozer and Zen. So please, stop with the BS.

Again, I'm referring specifically to how deplorable BULLDOZER was, and I still think my point on it was correct. Intel never had to do a same core count increase of 40% to overcome such horrible design. Your example does not take into account the evolution to dual core.

Core Solo VS netburst would represent a 40% IPC boost

I think that if Skylike is twice as fast as Bulldozer, then Skylake is 100% faster. If Zen is 40% faster than Bulldozer, then Skylake is 60% faster then Zen. No?

No, that's not how math works. Those numbers are also made up.
 
Top