AMD Bulldozer Performance Exposed?

[Damn_Smooth]

What is your point? So has Intel, and Intel has still been firmly ahead since then, on every process.

AKA: Your die size argument is not in AMD's favor.

My point is that Bulldozer has a very real chance of beating Sandy Bridge. And it's the new architecture along with the die shrink (Wich was probably a necessity to make the new architecture.) that will help it do it if it does. What is your point.

 

[Wile E]

My point is that Bulldozer has a very real chance of beating Sandy Bridge. And it's the new architecture along with the die shrink (Wich was probably a necessity to make the new architecture.) that will help it do it if it does. What is your point.

My point is I don't think AMD has had enough recovery time to really challenge Intel in terms of performance at this stage.

Wow. We used so many more posts than we needed to. lol.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Yes we did.

I can't wait for this to be over so we all know for sure one way or the other.

 

[jagd]

15 days left to launch?

 

[Damn_Smooth]

15 days left to launch?

I think the reveal is on the 7th and the nda's will be lifted. I don't think the actual launch is until the 20th though.

 

[Evolved]

How big of a price drop can we expect from 1100T or 965 or 980?

Might convert to AMD for the end of this year (Nov. - Dec.) to prepare for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3.

The price/performance ratio is very intriguing with AMD's CPU's.

 

[xenocide]

How big of a price drop can we expect from 1100T or 965 or 980?

Might convert to AMD for the end of this year (Nov. - Dec.) to prepare for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3.

The price/performance ratio is very intriguing with AMD's CPU's.

BF3 will be insanely CPU dependant, all DICE Games are. That being said, a 965 would be the best purchase, but it would probably still start to struggle since BF3 is supposed to be a real high-end PC game. Rather than run it on DX9 with various dated technologies, DICE is forcing the jump to DX11 for PC users (I remember hearing\reading).

 

[ivicagmc]

Even if it beat's Intel, it' short living victory. Intel has shown 22nm 3D processor which is coming around New Year. AMD is 1 technology to late and until that changes it can't best Intel.

 

[HalfAHertz]

Well unfortunately even if AMD beats Iintel's mid end, we are yet to see what the consumer LGA2011 monstrosities that are to follow are capable of...

 

[allnights]

The Store Owner I previously mentioned was NOT OC'ing the built rigs. In fact I can say with some certainty that they know very little about computing hardware and software, or indeed they lie, which comes down to money and profit margins.

That is NOT a way to run a business I am afraid.

I understand many of the points people make regarding architectures and understand why people can come round to thinking that way. But you must bare in mind that many things come down to planning.

Take for instance that many CPU's are mostly speed bumps or have bolt ons. These tend to come out far more often and the time span between rumour and release is fairly minimal. BUT if you look back some of the most ground breaking things have taken place when this time span has been huge. The number of times I have got fed up waiting for a CPU and then when released its a 'WOW' factor.

With Bulldozer I do not think I can think of a time when I have read about a forthcoming architecture for so long. If I had been at my computer for longer than I have waiting for it I would look like a grey haired ZZ Top reject!

So I strongly believe, and hoping, BD will deliver. I also hope that IB does too whenever that arrives. But as for all this conjecture about what will be released, when it will be released and what it will do when it is is daft, just smoke and mirrors.

I have often wondered whether or not staff from both companies come on and make false claims to 'muddy' the waters for the rest of us. Even these screenshots that turn out to be fake. I have seen a great deal worse from companies that have a much smaller annual turnover than either of these two.

However, saying that, I do find all that to be kind of funny. Sad it gets us end consumers into our little wars between each other, lol. Oftebn I see screenshots that are so obviously fake and notice people arguing about them but no one points out the obvious points. Like where one quoted showed Phenom II 6 core to be way faster than any of the SB's. AMD fanboy I am afraid to say lol.

Before too long I think the conjecture about either company and there products will cease. Reason? Blown comps because we have been drooling all over our keyboards at what is now possible lol.

There was a time when I used to drool over a 386DX, lmao.

Oh there is one other thing...

Let us say, for arguments sake, that Intel did indeed wake up after Athlon. In time intel produced some pretty cool architecture with the introduction of Core.

That is about the time Bulldozer was first being designed, or even thought about. I think the Core's introduction made AMD also realise they can not rest on their laurels.

As far as MONEY is concerned, let us not forget that as pointed out by so many people how big and the worth of intel. AMD are minnows in comparison, but... do you not think that there are powers that be that would like a slice of what intel has? Even if there are, or have been, doubts (from ..well rumours) do you not think that someone else will come along and SEE an oppurtunity.

That is, after all, the name of the game with these big corporates.

Just wish they would stop treating us like idiots, lol.

EDIT:

Oh and I came real close to building a Core i5 2500K rig recently via Scan.. but then heard BD was imminent then about BD and IB in December and then I though...'for the love of god ...STOP!!' LMAO

 

[DrunkenMafia]

The only thing I don't like about the upcoming bulldozer release is the amount of threads like this that will keep appearing over the next few weeks.

The OP found some info on the net, whether true or not and posted it here. Give him a break, its not fanboi-ism or whatever you call it.

 

[allnights]

DrunkenMafia I was not infering you was a fanboy. I apologise if you thought that. No I have seen some convincing screenshots in all honesty. The one I was referring to was NOT your one.

No I have an analogy for all this..

It is like being late for an important interview and you have waited ages for a bus, in the distance you can see 4 approaching, typical, and your chewing your finger nails and praying one is the one for you! lol.

I must admit I have never seen quite so much chat about a CPU as there has been for BD. Never seen so much of a frenzy, so it has become rather interesting in one respect.

I am sure before long we will all be grinning like cheshire cats lol.

EDIT: Sorry was not inferring the OP was a fanboy or the screenshot fake. Was only reacting at some of the daft claims about AMD and Intel, lol.

It is just odd as you seem to have an intel camp that hate AMD and will run them down and use knowledge they don't posses to back up their claims and vice versa.

Talk about nanometers, cores, modules and frequencies. I think that the area of CPU deisgn is a very intricate one. With my experience it is a case of suck it and see, you just do not know. I have known many very experienced and knowledgeable people get predictions wrong over the years, just too hard to call until the raw facts arrive.

People getting frustrated with each other over something they can not possibly know really. It's like two kids arguing who's dad can beat up who, lol. Daft. Not worth it.

Have a debate but don't get silly. It should be fun lol.

 

[Wyverex]

This has gotta be the worst topic I've seen on TPU in the last month. So much bitching and fanboing over a (probably) fake benchmark.

Goodman, thank you for posting this, even if it is fake. I'm guessing we'll see the real truth in 2 weeks or so


@allnights, thank you for insightful posts, but could you please refrain from double posting? If you have something to add, you can always use the "Edit" button

@mods: sorry for intruding into your domain

 

[trickson]

Well one thing is for sure . Cinebench is far from a real world performance benchmark . I wonder why the CPU was whited out in cinebench ! Something to hide maybe ? Just seems a bit strange I think this is a BS benchmark .

 

[metarox]

Some clocks leaked?

AMD FX-8130P – 8 Core, 3.8Ghz, Max T.C 4.2Ghz, 125W (320$)
AMD FX-8110 – 8 Core, 3.6Ghz, Max T.C 4.0Ghz, 95W (290$)
AMD FX-6110 – 6 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (240$)
AMD FX-4110 – 4 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (190$)

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/194/194271.htm

 

[Athlon2K15]

Well one thing is for sure . Cinebench is far from a real world performance benchmark . I wonder why the CPU was whited out in cinebench ! Something to hide maybe ? Just seems a bit strange I think this is a BS benchmark .

CPU is whited out because its under NDA

 

[erocker]

Well one thing is for sure . Cinebench is far from a real world performance benchmark . I wonder why the CPU was whited out in cinebench ! Something to hide maybe ? Just seems a bit strange I think this is a BS benchmark .

CPU is whited out because its under NDA

It's whited out because it's BS. It's a Thuban chip, I proved that.

 

[ShiBDiB]

My point is that Bulldozer has a very real chance of beating Sandy Bridge. And it's the new architecture along with the die shrink (Wich was probably a necessity to make the new architecture.) that will help it do it if it does. What is your point.

Bulldozer SHOULD beat sandy bridge... They've had 6 months of watching intel destroy them in the market. They also know unless bulldozer performs to and above expectations that itll b awhile before they can recover.

 

[Nesters]

Some clocks leaked?

AMD FX-8130P – 8 Core, 3.8Ghz, Max T.C 4.2Ghz, 125W (320$)
AMD FX-8110 – 8 Core, 3.6Ghz, Max T.C 4.0Ghz, 95W (290$)
AMD FX-6110 – 6 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (240$)
AMD FX-4110 – 4 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (190$)

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/194/194271.htm

0.4 Ghz Turbo Core sounds like bullshit, it should be around 1 Ghz Turbo for single core, respectively, 3.2 and 3.0 Ghz stocks.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Bulldozer SHOULD beat sandy bridge... They've had 6 months of watching intel destroy them in the market. They also know unless bulldozer performs to and above expectations that itll b awhile before they can recover.

I agree, but SHOULD and WILL can be very different beasts.

 

[Dent1]

Think a lot of people forget that it doesnt matter whether Bulldozer beats Sandybridge or not because AMD's revenue will not increase much based on the opinion of geeks in a forum. It's the OEMs they have to impress, oh and their shareholders of course.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Think a lot of people forget that it doesnt matter whether Bulldozer beats Sandybridge or not because AMD's revenue will not increase much based on the opinion of geeks in a forum. It's the OEMs they have to impress, oh and their shareholders of course.

Very true.

 

[Super XP]

Those benchmarks IMO are BS. It sounds like AMD has a real winner with Bulldozer and should give Intel a real run for it's money. Intel can afford to make a mistake, AMD cannot at this stage, there's a lot resting on Bulldozer, and if she does not perform AMD's stock price for starters is going to go down, way down...

 

[Melvis]

Fake or Real? FX-4110

I saw this on the tubes and thought i might as well bring it here and get the pro's to figure out if its fake or real

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zK4WAPKNYo&feature=related

Im going with fake by the way lol

 

[The Von Matrices]

I would agree with fake. The Windows experience index is not a good benchmark anyway. Show me a test that actually means something.