AMD & Intel

[Franklinwallbrown]

Does it matter which one you get, really, as long as the are the same speed. I mean comparatively at the same speed & core # are they about the same?

 

[btarunr]

Does matter, big time.

Intel Core series processors take in 4 instructions per clock cycle and AMD take 3.

Which is why when running a benchmark that's not cache intensive, An x GHz Intel Core series processor is faster than a x GHz AMD, keeping x constant.

 

[sneekypeet]

^^^^ great explination!

 

[Franklinwallbrown]

Readings on this subject?

 

[sneekypeet]

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1970

that aught to get you started....remember google is your friend, just type in a question and start surfing!

 

[btarunr]

Readings on this subject?

You don't need reading into established facts that take up one sentence. Read the benchmarks to see for yourself.

EDIT...hey nice read, sneek. but this has absolutely nothing on the Core microarchitecture.

 

[trog100]

i have just moved from an amd 6000+ at 3.350 24/7 to an intel e675.. default performance of the 6000+ at 3.gig is about the same as the conroe at say 2.600 gig..

if u are not going to overclcok price for price the amd chip does okay..

if u are gonna overclock.. the intel chip has at least a 60% performance lead..

intel chips have tons of room to spare amd chips max out not much over the 3 gig mark..

so clock for clock the intel chips have a 25% performance edge.. not overclocked price for price they are about the same..

overclcocked the intel chips leaves the amd ones miles behind.. the intel chips are cruising.. the amd chips going flat out trying to keep up..

factor in cheaper amd motherboards and perhaps bang for buck amd still have the edge.. u can still build a nice cheap gaming rig from amd ati parts.. for benching u need intel.. he he

trog

 

[Franklinwallbrown]

I'm just so new to all this computer stuff and I don't know much about AMD or Intel. For goodness sake, I just OC'ed my computer (was easy 'cause all I had to do was increase FSB, and that was all I could do). The good news though is that it is pretty much Christmas break & I can probably get some reading in. My philosophy on stuff is that you need to understand what you are doing before you do it, for example, I like to play video games on the computer, but I didn't know how my computer worked. So...I looked into in, and I've already OC'ed my computer.

 

[PaulieG]

All you really need to know is that Intel currently stomps AMD in performance at most every price point, however if you plan to build an ultra budget system you might spend a few dollars less on AMD.

 

[imperialreign]

All you really need to know is that Intel currently stomps AMD in performance at most every price point, however if you plan to build an ultra budget system you might spend a few dollars less on AMD.

and spending a few dollars less on AMD compared to a similar Intel - you won't really notice the difference.

Unless you plan on running numerous tasks and applications that are CPU intensive, AMDs are still capable by today's standards.

 

[Franklinwallbrown]

I don't know what I want. I am a senior in high school, and I am just starting to get in good amounts of money. I've been thinking about making a new computer for a while now, but I wanted to understand them more before I got a new one. So, I took my computer apart and put it back together. Success! Ok, I can take my computer apart let's overclock it. Success! Now I want to understand more, but I don't know how.

 

[imperialreign]

that's what all we're here for,

what exactly are you wanting to get a better idea of? For sure it can be confusing trying to read stuff online - many sites, documents, whatever that describe how components work will throw out a ton of technical jargon, expecting the reader to already have a strong enough grasp to understand what's being said.

Even for those of us that have grown up working with technology, either as a career or a hobby, we also run across stuff that just doesn't make sense . . . perhaps the engineering is so completely different, or it's a field we don't know much about, or maybe it's just not 'clicking' that day.

 

[btarunr]

I don't know what I want. I am a senior in high school, and I am just starting to get in good amounts of money. I've been thinking about making a new computer for a while now, but I wanted to understand them more before I got a new one. So, I took my computer apart and put it back together. Success! Ok, I can take my computer apart let's overclock it. Success! Now I want to understand more, but I don't know how.

Keep hanging out at TPU, you'll get wise. For a first-timer like you, assuming you're assembling it, I'd suggest AMD....it'll go on to give you a fairly better upgrade-path in the future. You want me to give a recommendation, here goes

Under $100: AMD Athlon64 X2 4800+ (Brisbane) priced at $98
Under $125: AMD Athlon64 X2 5200+ (Brisbane) priced at $120
Under $150: AMD Athlon64 X2 6000+ (Windsor) priced at $150
Under $175: AMD Athlon64 X2 6400+ PIB [Not black edition] (Windsor) at $169.99
Under $200: AMD Phenom 9500 (Agena) FTW at $198

 

[PyroX1040]

I don't know what I want. I am a senior in high school, and I am just starting to get in good amounts of money. I've been thinking about making a new computer for a while now, but I wanted to understand them more before I got a new one. So, I took my computer apart and put it back together. Success! Ok, I can take my computer apart let's overclock it. Success! Now I want to understand more, but I don't know how.

I'd suggest making a nice smallish computer using a dated processor but still decent for gaming but not amazing as in:

CPU: AMD Athlon64 3200+ 2.0Ghz
CPU OC'd: Safely OC'd 2.8Ghz
PSU: 500 Watt PSU
Graphics Card: SPEND YOUR MONEY HERE 8800GTX or even a GTS for the casual gamer or even an older version

As far as taking a computer apart and back togather it's easy Overclocking is simply done in 3 ways

1)Via BIOS
2)Via ATITool[GPU]/Other[CPU] OC Programs
3)Via Editing the voltage given and thus pumping up the CPU and GPU

Warning: Overclocking is risky and certain things can happen and might, also you need to make sure that your PSU is decent enough and that your case is nice and cool if your going to be running something big like a 8800GTX/GTS

Regards,
PyroX1040

Edit:
This is just for a decent computer not a god computer just one you can start off with my tweaking starting BIG and tweaking can lead to you not understanding what you're doing and BOOM goes ur CPU/GPU so I suggest starting off small..

If you want something X-Treme then view my system it cost'd about $2,650+ with all software and hardware, a decent price considering the new Dell XPS and it hasn't gotten anything close to my power and I'm not even OC'ing the CPU due to lack of cooling but I will be soon ^.^!!!!

Either way if your looking to start getting into computers and building/repairing start off with something small so you don't destroy a $2.5k computer..

 

[erocker]

Pyro, I think your system would take the top AMD spot on out 3dMark06 thread! You should post yer stuff!

 

[PyroX1040]

Pyro, I think your system would take the top AMD spot on out 3dMark06 thread! You should post yer stuff!

Point me where >.>!

 

[DaMulta]

Point me where >.>!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25995

 

[erocker]

Right here. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25995 try to get a screenshot of GPU-Z, CPU-Z, and the 06 score and or ORB.
D beat me to it.

 

[PyroX1040]

Right here. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25995 try to get a screenshot of GPU-Z, CPU-Z, and the 06 score and or ORB.
D beat me to it.

Got a place to DL 06 or ORB?

 

[erocker]

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/869/Futuremark_3DMark06_(Build_1.1.0)_w_Oct_07_Hotfix.html
Be sure everything is nice and overclocked! Turn off all unessesary processes!

 

[PyroX1040]

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/869/Futuremark_3DMark06_(Build_1.1.0)_w_Oct_07_Hotfix.html
Be sure everything is nice and overclocked! Turn off all unessesary processes!

maybe u could help me with OC'ing m 6400..

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=47481

 

[erocker]

Do you have the latest bios? I can help you going by my bios, wich is a similar board but different socket.

 

[Vincent11]

Franklin, go with AMD, they perform well cost pretty cheap, go for the 6000+ or the 6400+, those dual cores even beat the AMD quad core which sux, but thats just the way it is, i would put my money on them, and wait for the new HD3870 x2 series from ATI, that should be a solid performer, so there ya go man, thats my opinion, oh yeah pyro, NICE! avatar pic man!

 

[GLD]

My take on it is you NEED to overclock a Intel cpu to make it beat a comparable priced AMD cpu. I like to overclock, but I do not want to HAVE to overclock my system. If you desire synthetic benchmark numbers then I would say an Intel rig. If you desire real seat of your pants numbers then I say AMD.

 

[PyroX1040]

Do you have the latest bios? I can help you going by my bios, wich is a similar board but different socket.

yea