AMD Radeon RX 9070 Series Technical Deep Dive

[Dahita]

Only in their presentation, which wasn't shared with media beforehand.

And?

 

[Rover4444]

I don't see how a GPU family from 19 years ago has any bearing on a product today? The 9070 for 499 would be just tantalizing.

It'd be a normal release any other generation. 20-30% uplift compared to the 7800 XT at the same price, but this time it's 10% more than that card. Hell even the 7800 XT got a better "uplift" when it dropped the price $150 from the 6800 XT. The 9070 is just an upsell card and will drop in price after a few months, just like the 7700 XT did.

 

[BigMack70]

how is the 9070 series not compelling?… when your 3090 is only a bit faster than a 7900GRE… some say the 9070 series is much faster than a 7900gre.

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC Review

NVIDIA has launched the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti today, lifting the review embargo. The MSI RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X comes at NVIDIA MSRP of $750, yet includes a small factory overclock. In terms of performance, the Ventus is able to compete with RTX 4080 Super and RX 7900 XTX.

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is it a thing to have nvidia coloured glasses? a 5070ti is 30 percent faster than a 3090… so it can’t be the nvidia glasses…

I haven't bothered updating my rig on these forums in a long time. I got a 4090 for MSRP on launch day and am probably sitting out this entire generation. Nvidia's 50 series is the worst GPU launch I've seen since 2002. It's the worst generational performance uplift ever for a new architecture, pricing is stupid, and it's a fire hazard...

That said... the 9070 is trash at $550.

The 9070 XT is just fine if and only if:
1) It is widely available at $600 (IMO unlikely - AIBs are going to want to sell $700+ variants)
AND
2) The 5070 Ti remains at stupid prices above its MSRP of $750

Even then, I don't think it's compelling. I think at best it's just good. Does a "good" product drive market share for a company with ZERO mindshare in the market outside of hardcore tech forums, where AMD fans are over-represented? I don't think so. I have said and continue to believe $550 was the MAXIMUM price for the 9070 XT if the goal was to gain market share.

At $600, it will please all the AMD fans, it will give people like Moore's Law is Dead plenty of content to throw shade at Nvidia, and the general consumer will go "but for $150-200 more I can get the good version of this card", buy a 5070 Ti, and AMD will keep bleeding out and enabling nGreedia's monopoly.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yes, it's what I said and you claimed I was wrong: even if the price isn't the best, if the product is competent, it will claw some market share. 549 isn't the optimal price, IMO it's 499, but it is not a bad product.

I'm happy for AMD today, I hope that it looks as good in practice as it does on paper.

Over here at least the 7700XT fell the very very low prices last year at times. For a couple of months around Black Friday several Powercolor and Sapphire 7700XT models went down to £359 instead of the usual £420-ish price.

The 7800XT was selling for ~£500 at the same time, so the 7700XT for £359 was basically 30% cheaper than the 7800XT, whilst still being plenty good enough for 2024's AAA games list. It's no wonder it moved more stock than the 7800XT!

 

[Icon Charlie]

Ya know... I'm getting old... And I should have known better. AMD shot themselves in the other foot with their marketing.

I was right on the costs. $599 on the XT and what should have been $499 for the Non Xt.
What I did not take into consideration is that how effing stupid AMD is. The +50 dollars is still enforced in this consdieration.

The reason why the 9070 is at $549.00 is to upsale to get people to buy the 9070XT. Nothing more.... Nothing less.

These cards have been in production for a few months. They got enough for their launch (maybe) as well as their partners.

So IMHO, this is what is going to happen.

The 9070XT will sell alot. Great for AMD. That is until Nvidia grinds up production and drops their prices on the 5070TI, then it will be a different matter.

The 9070 will be a Meh... Why buy a 9070 when you can get a 9070XT for 50 bucks more?

They did the same damn thing with the 6800/6800XT, pushing the customers to the XT version which they did.
Which was a damn shame as the RX 6800 was a very very good card, but pricing killed it.

In a few months maybe the pricing will go down on the 9070 series but do not hold your breath. The rumors of the 9060's are already out. Which will slot in their pricing.

IMHO This is why AMD is just not getting anywhere...

Yes the 9070XT will sell a lot at the $599.00 level but it it gets any higher then no.
As far as the 9070. It might be a good card but it's been strangled by AMD marketing.

And then Nvidia will react.

 

[dartuil]

5070ti start at 1000+ in my country.
If 9070xt and 5070 can stay under 700 im in.

 

[Hattu]

Looks good. But I doubt one can get one blow 950€...

4080 super was supposedly $200 cheaper than regular model, still they sold above that. Because super or something.

MSRP is a joke.

 

[dartuil]

Looks good. But I doubt one can get one blow 950€...

4080 super was supposedly $200 cheaper than regular model, still they sold above that. Because super or something.

MSRP is a joke.

yes MSRP is a joke.
5080 msrp is 999 they sell minimum 1400 in my country.
90 is 1999 they sell minimum 2500 here. lol.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Yes the 9070XT will sell a lot at the $599.00 level but it it gets any higher then no.
As far as the 9070. It might be a good card but it's been strangled by AMD marketing.

And then Nvidia will react.

Let's hope this triggers a price war. AMD can go very low given to ach and last gen vram type until it hits production costs, Nvidia not so much. AMD could actually win this gen price war and thus gain substantion market share, but is AMD willing to do that? Probably not unfortunately. Printing press money from their Epyc and X3D lineup smells too good to Lisa, Radeon's dGPU market share be damned

 

[Scattergrunt]

That's my point though, yes Intel became complacent and fumbled the bag with architecture and fab issues. That provided an opening, but it was innovation that allowed AMD to come back.

Nvidia hasn't been untouchable either, the initial implementation of RT and DLSS was crude (remember how the algorithm had to be trained by Nvidia on each game?). AMD could have come back with RT in the 7000 series, they had plenty of time. But their RT cores were still much worse than the 30 series. Or they could have implemented MFG, it's not like Nvidia invented image interpolation. But Nvidia was the first to try and put it in a GPU, while AMD did not.

Yea, but they didn't. I never said NVIDIA was untouchable either. NVIDIA is a much more much component competitor in general anyway than Intel, which is what I was getting at.

The one spot where I'll give credit to AMD is the rasterization cores, AMD has done a fantastic job of actually refining RDNA each generation, while Nvidia's basically left the CUDA core alone since Turing. But rasterization doesn't sell GPUs anymore.

Which is why I'm glad that they're not focusing on raster for once and instead on other things. I don't think this generation will fix this issue but it will definitely setup a good groundwork for them in the future.

Paying about the same price for a GPU with 4GB less VRAM and roughly the same performance, wow WHAT A STEAL

You already have a 4070ti super. The jump to a 9070xt at best would probably be 15%. And you're willing to dump $600+ to do that. That is the EXACT type of consumer behavior that people accuse nvidia of promoting.

The value the 9070XT is giving us is probably in people who haven't upgraded in awhile.. I would imagine that its faster than 7900XT & 3090Ti by like 5% percent at stock. Not sure about OC, OC'ing the 9070XT and 9070 will be interesting. The opposite sounds interesting, too.

 

[Dr. Dro]

yes MSRP is a joke.
5080 msrp is 999 they sell minimum 1400 in my country.
90 is 1999 they sell minimum 2500 here. lol.

They "sell"... but no orders are fulfilled, because there is no stock, soo...

 

[dartuil]

They "sell"... but no orders are fulfilled, because there is no stock, soo...

Even when they had a few stock.
Now there's no stock at all.
Only on amazon from some crazy sellers.

 

[Denver]

From what I understand, FSR 4 is a hybrid model that combines CNN and Transformers to balance quality and resource usage. Additionally, RT in RDNA 4 has been optimized to use less memory.

It feels like a victory over today's crazy market.

 

[Gameslove]

If $600 roughly 7900xtx performance with better RT won't satisfy customers, nothing will.

No way, at 4K gaming future it will be limited by 16 GB VRAM. It may better at 2K, path traycing, it also depends on the game optimisation for AMD. (Just try Indiana Jones Path Traycing at 4K, need more as 16 VRAM) Just wait announcement the RX 9090 XTX 32 GB VRAM, possible on the RDNA 5.

 

[rv8000]

No way, at 4K gaming future it will be limited by 16 GB VRAM. It may better at 2K, path traycing, it also depends on the game optimisation for AMD. (Just try Indiana Jones Path Traycing at 4K, need more as 16 VRAM) Just wait announcement the RX 9090 XTX 32 GB VRAM, possible on the RDNA 5.

There is no RDNA5, sarcasm or not, AMD is sticking to a singular arch going forward for consumer/commercial.

That aside, a monolithic 96cu part on a 384-bit bus would’ve been interesting using RDNA4

 

[LittleBro]

If RX 9070 XT really is 45-50% faster in raster than my coil whiny piece of shit 7800 XT and costs around 700 € incl. VAT, I'll go for it. Having 150% of 7800 XT perf. at cost of 20% more power is actually a progress compared to Blackwell efficiency scaling tragedy. At 750 € I will consider but anything more is a hard pass.

AMD's claim regarding FSR 4 rendered geometry being better than native is a joke.

 

[Rover4444]

If RX 9070 XT really is 45% faster than my coil whiny piece of shit 7800 XT and costs around 700 € incl. VAT, I'll go for it. At 750 € I will consider but anything more is a hard pass.

AMD's claim regarding FSR 4 rendered geometry being better than native is a joke.

Gotta do what you gotta do. Praying for ya LittleBro.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

So a 7900xt is 700, but the 9070xt is 600, and it has better technology… i would say “what a steal” not sarcastically…

As low as $600. When nvidia does this, we call it stagnation. This also applies to AMD.

I don't get you.

The lowest price for a 7900XT is $1,168.90 on new egg. It's nowhere near the performance announced either if you factor in the RT perf, and it's announced at only $600. What's not to like?

This may shock you, but there existed a world before the last week!

Go back and look at the price the 7900xt was going for throughout 2024. It was not $1168. The card is discontinued now, and markets are trying to scalp with whatever is left.

I think $600 is a small price to pay IF we achieve market normalization. The way things are going there soon will be no DIY dGPU PC market left. I'm fortunate enough that I can burn 600 bucks on principle, but most of today's kids and young adults aren't. Our beloved hobby could very well be dead in 10 years time if young people are forced out of the PC gaming. Gaming for the masses will move to subsciption based remote clouds as only the super rich will still be able to afford gaming PCs. That would paradoxically be a win for companies like Nvidia providing cloud gaming for the masses & dGPUs for enterprise only.

If the only way you company can survive is people intentionally choosing to burn sizeable chunks of cash solely on principle, your company sucks and deserves to go under.

AMD needs to COMPETE, they need to be COMPETITIVE. And dont tell me the multi billion dollar profitable corporation cant figure it out. This is not the AMD of 2014 that has 200 million in reserves and no useful product lines up.

 

[bitsandboots]

Its a bit weird their material focuses on 4K.
I mean sure, they want to say they can do it. Like they said with 8K years ago and walked it back.
But, if we're comparing a 5070ti to this, I assume this will be even more competitive at 1440p due to the gddr7 difference.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Price is... eh... I was mentally preparing to shift my attention to a theoretical 9060 XT 16GB (assuming it's a 128/256-bit bus) given recent pricing rumors but this is okay. It's the same price rubric they've been targeting for a while now, cheaper than Nvidia, but these would have been red-hot if they came out for even less. Still, I think they traced the line exactly at the breaking point for where a lot of people would be willing to buy these. If ABSOLUTELY nothing else, the 5070Ti will likely need to scale back to around $650-$665 to become a "compelling" option against the 9070XT for people who might be willing to switch.

But on another note, given the performance claims set here, where do a theoretical 9060XT and 5070 match up? I think it'd be a hit if it manages to measure up to the 4070 SUPER for, eh, $400ish on the lower end of AIB models. If it meets or beats the 5070, well, that'd be an upset.

 

[BigMack70]

If ABSOLUTELY nothing else, the 5070Ti will likely need to scale back to around $650-$665 to become a "compelling" option against the 9070XT for people who might be willing to switch.

Calling it now - a $750 5070 Ti will outsell a $600 9070 XT by at least 5:1

Nvidia doesn't need to do anything to be a compelling option. AMD needs to make them look greedy and stupid. And $600 doesn't do that.

 

[boomheadshot8]

Just sell 9070 at 450$ and 9070xt at 550$, why not ?
low price = more customers and even if the margin is low

 

[Lew Zealand]

Calling it now - a $750 5070 Ti will outsell a $600 9070 XT by at least 5:1

Nvidia doesn't need to do anything to be a compelling option. AMD needs to make them look greedy and stupid. And $600 doesn't do that.

Wait. You're saying the company with a 4.6:1 ratio on the Steam survey is gonna outsell their competitor by 5:1?

Crazy. Just walk back slowly from that ledge and it'll aaaalllll be OK.

 

[hardwarefan]

These cards are looking very good. I am especially interested in the ray tracing performance of these cards.
The price seems reasonable for the XT model, and if it can be found at something close to that price, it is a very tempting card.

 

[rattlehead99]

Thing should be 60% faster then a 6700XT, which i'm sitting on now still.

A lot faster than 60%, more like 100-110%

They've done it twice now (7800 vs 7700) but I don't understand why they're doing these $50 price gaps. It's not a meaningful difference and the nobody is going to buy the lower card at that price. Just drop it by another $50. You're going to have to within a month anyway, so why let everyone's review say that it's a bad value first?

On a very mature node such as 5nm, which is from 2020 btw, at the die size of 360-390mm^2 they are probably getting insanely good yields and have 7-8 to 1 ratio of 9070xt to 9070 cards, the 9070 would not sell at a lower MSRP because there isn't enough supply of them. Even if AMD were to put the 9070 at 450$ it would be sold out immediately and then sell at prices well over 500$, probably close to the 550$ AMD set.

It would be like the 5070Ti's price situation, except lower numbers.