AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

c12038 · Feb 11, 2019

Personally I would not buy any new card until all the bugs are ironed out this way its shows the manufacturers whos boss them or us the consumer..... SPEAK WITH YOUR WALLET don't buy shoddy goods

EsaT · Feb 11, 2019

I think this just confirms this card wasn't in any of AMD's longer term plans and materialized when Nvidia's pricing left opening to release this expensive to make card for consumers.

Gasaraki · Feb 11, 2019

Jeez, I don't even know what to say here.

notb · Feb 11, 2019

MrGenius said:
It's a non-issue as far as the functionality of the card. All you would need to do is disable secure boot for the card to work perfectly fine in any system. Secure boot is a motherboard thing. NOT a Windows 10/OS requirement. You can run W10(or any OS since Windows 8 for that matter) with, or without, secure boot enabled in the motherboard's UEFI/BIOS(still running Windows 7 or earlier? VBIOS UEFI support is meaningless/makes no difference whatsoever). NON-ISSUE! RMA is not necessarily going to fix it either. It could, if they decided to flash a BIOS with UEFI support on it and ship it back to you. If not, you'll be getting a card back that is the same as the return.

I wonder how many PC users today know how to use BIOS... 30%? Less? Any guess?
You write these theories like everyone was into this kind of things. And people really aren't.

I'm really disappointed. Not by AMD, because - let's be honest - it's their way of doing stuff.
I'm disappointed no one has came up in this thread to say that's it is better this way because it is "fun" and that's what real "enthusiasts" do.

Emu · Feb 11, 2019

Ironically, flashing a GPU BIOS is a lot safer then flashing a motherboard BIOS. If your GPU BIOS flash fails then you can still boot your computer using a second GPU and then attempt the flash again. If your motherboard BIOS flash fails then you are probably up for a RMA on the board...

Ferrum Master · Feb 11, 2019

It ain't the first time... 7970 had the same, so what?

notb · Feb 11, 2019

Emu said:
Ironically, flashing a GPU BIOS is a lot safer then flashing a motherboard BIOS. If your GPU BIOS flash fails then you can still boot your computer using a second GPU and then attempt the flash again. If your motherboard BIOS flash fails then you are probably up for a RMA on the board...

Flashing anything is a procedure no PC user should be forced to do, ever.
If you like this kind of things because of adrenaline and you're not fit enough to try skydiving, then go ahead - flash your GPU every day.

I wonder how would people react if they had to flash their cars or ovens.

As was already mentioned: in this case recall is the only action a serious company would take. We'll see how serious AMD is.
And remember! It's a great pro card, right? Let's see how they treat pro clients. ;-)

delshay · Feb 11, 2019

Mysteoa said:
You do understand that AMD can only provide BIOS update for their reference cards, not for boardpartners cards.

I'm fully aware. What I want to see is, if their was a BIOS update available it will flag-up in the Radeon Software & with a single click it will download, then you will be ask do you want to update firmware. Logitech software does this, it detects software & firmware updates with very simple clicks to update. What I wanted is a safe way for all users with reference cards to update their firmware. Besides this it will always be maintained & you will always have the latest flash utility built-in. That's call supporting your own product firmware & I would like AMD Radeon Software to follow the same route as Logitech.

EDIT: User(s) that intended to flash their cards I recommend removing all overclocking before flashing. This goes for all devices when updating firmware.

IceShroom · Feb 11, 2019

Well good for those OEM dell system then.

the54thvoid · Feb 11, 2019

Nkd said:
Not sure about that. if you are competent enough to install a gpu you can follow instructions to manage a few clicks and update the bios. Not that complicated. I doubt many gamers are noobs like that purchasing a $700 Graphics card.

The physical instal of a device and a simple software instal (driver) is less stressful than a bios flash. I think too many folk on these forums assume everyone has a competency with this level of 'involvement'. That's simply not true. For most people, installing a piece of hardware is a mystery, let alone, a magical bios flash. And if it hadn't escaped attention, how many bios flash threads warn about the possible issues? I'm a tech noob but my work colleagues think that I know way more.

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, the UEFI issue simply adds to the notion that AMD really rushed this release. And I don't understand why they felt the need.

Raven Rampkin · Feb 11, 2019

It's a VERY rushed product for sure.
Navi, we need your help :cry:

turbogear · Feb 11, 2019

@btarunr
Thanks a lot for the info.
I just flashed mine Sapphire Radeon VII with the ASRock bios with zero issues using the ATIFlash.
As always ATIFlash is very useful tool. :toast:

By the way, GPU-Z is not working properly on my system ever since I moved to Radeon VII.
The different clock frequencies (GPU, Memory) are always shown empty. :confused:

My screen shot looks different than what you have attached.

W1zzard · Feb 11, 2019

turbogear said:
By the way, GPU-Z is not working properly on my system ever since I moved to Radeon VII.
The different clock frequencies (GPU, Memory) are always shown empty.

Yeah I'm aware of this and working on it, will have something this week, hopefully.

turbogear · Feb 11, 2019

W1zzard said:
Yeah I'm aware of this and working on it, will have something this week, hopefully.

Thanks a lot.
As always I am thankful for the nice tools TPU provides to us. :lovetpu:

lynx29 · Feb 11, 2019

I really hope Nvidia is still not on a 2-3 year cycle for new cards... Intel dedicated GPU will be high end they said... let's hope it brings competition in late 2020.

Mysteoa · Feb 11, 2019

delshay said:
I'm fully aware. What I want to see is, if their was a BIOS update available it will flag-up in the Radeon Software & with a single click it will download, then you will be ask do you want to update firmware. Logitech software does this, it detects software & firmware updates with very simple clicks to update. What I wanted is a safe way for all users with reference cards to update their firmware.

The portion of people that by reference cards is too small compared to cards from boardpartners and they only sell them until custom variants become available. Also not every model number gets a reference variant. I'm not saying this is not a good feature, but the possible user base is small for the investment.

XXL_AI · Feb 11, 2019

pytorch and rocm will rock the world but amd making it painful to experiment.

Hugh Mungus · Feb 11, 2019

Soooo, can I start my pc with radeon vii in it if it's brand new?

Luckily I have a r7 240 to put in it and get things going till I get my radeon vii saturday!

TheGuruStud · Feb 11, 2019

Jokes on UEFI and secure boot, b/c I don't use it!

IceShroom · Feb 11, 2019

Mysteoa said:
You do understand that AMD can only provide BIOS update for their reference cards, not for boardpartners cards.

Well ABI could use that tool the same way we use ATIflash, but in secure and official way to update UEFI.

Nkd · Feb 11, 2019

turbogear said:
@btarunr
Thanks a lot for the info.
I just flashed mine Sapphire Radeon VII with the ASRock bios with zero issues using the ATIFlash.
As always ATIFlash is very useful tool.

By the way, GPU-Z is not working properly on my system ever since I moved to Radeon VII.
The different clock frequencies (GPU, Memory) are always shown empty.

My screen shot looks different than what you have attached.

View attachment 116237

This usually happens if you change cards and GPUz will have issue in fully recognizing the card and specs. use DDU to uinstall drivers and then do a fresh driver install and you should be good.

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

Oh FFS, only AMD could score an own goal like this! :shadedshu:

I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

This looks like a quality control issue and a real embarrassing humdinger. No wonder I'm sticking with NVIDIA, high prices or not and if I can't afford to upgrade, I stay with my trusty GTX 1080 until I can.

I could keep ranting so I better stop here.

turbogear · Feb 11, 2019

Nkd said:
This usually happens if you change cards and GPUz will have issue in fully recognizing the card and specs. use DDU to uinstall drivers and then do a fresh driver install and you should be good.

Thanks I will try it.

plonk420 · Feb 11, 2019

and what we found out startled us

>____>

no clickbait words pls

notb · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Oh FFS, only AMD could score an own goal like this! I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

Everyone's praising AMD for aggressive pricing. Where do you think that comes from? Electricity is cheaper on their side of the road? They get free toilet paper?

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