AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

nemesis.ie · Feb 11, 2019

@notb
Sky-diving? Probably not. However, see avatar.

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

notb said:
Everyone's praising AMD for aggressive pricing. Where do you think that comes from? Electricity is cheaper on their side of the road? They get free toilet paper?

Yeah, but there's no justification for such a balls-up at any level. Maybe they knew that they were releasing it like this for some unfathomable reason?

nemesis.ie · Feb 11, 2019

Marketing wanted to release it on the 7th and the 7th of March would have been too far in the future?

That makes as much sense as any other theory, probably.

Easo · Feb 11, 2019

Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

TheGuruStud · Feb 11, 2019

Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

I mean...I bought a $650 card and never use UEFI...and won't for as long as backwards compatibility is supported.

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

Emu said:
Ironically, flashing a GPU BIOS is a lot safer then flashing a motherboard BIOS. If your GPU BIOS flash fails then you can still boot your computer using a second GPU and then attempt the flash again. If your motherboard BIOS flash fails then you are probably up for a RMA on the board...

You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

qubit said:
Oh FFS, only AMD could score an own goal like this! I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

This looks like a quality control issue and a real embarrassing humdinger. No wonder I'm sticking with NVIDIA, high prices or not and if I can't afford to upgrade, I stay with my trusty GTX 1080 until I can.

I could keep ranting so I better stop here.

Dont forget those exploits from last year with blue eyeoval

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

Yeah, but it's more ~~nail biting~~ excitin' innit?

TheGuruStud · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots.

Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Yeah, but it's more ~~nail biting~~ excitin' innit?

Well you see how many people I help around here.

Even then there's no guarantee that the card will work typically you need a sp I flasher to fix vega and gf 1000 series

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work

TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.

Spi flash.

Vega and gf1000 series go into write lockout

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work

Oh no eidy don't, just don't. I can't unsee it now. :laugh:

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Oh no eidy don't, just don't. I can't unsee it now.

Lolz

srsbsns · Feb 11, 2019

"Restatement: AMD has released a BIOS for the Radeon VII with UEFI GOP included for our AIB partners. We will also make a one click installable BIOS available to end users via AMD.com. We do not expect gaming performance differences between the non UEFI BIOS and the UEFI GOP included BIOS, although the non UEFI BIOS may experience slower boot times from cold boot. "

problem solved even for the most useless of end user.

efikkan · Feb 12, 2019

Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

It is ridiculous, to launch a product with two fatal flaws; a broken driver and broken firmware. Luckily the driver was quickly fixed, but this sort of stuff shouldn't happen.

But I do in fact understand how this could have happened. And I don't blame the poor developer(s) who had to throw this firmware and driver together in a rush, but whoever decided to launch a product without their normal QA procedure. Problems like this is not uncommon in development, it's in fact very normal, when management makes last minute decisions and thinks the software (firmware and drivers in this case) can be adjusted in an instance. I'm not the only developer who knows how many nasty bugs that can sneak in when merging last-minute features into a code base.

theoneandonlymrk · Feb 12, 2019

qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

or at the very least a replaceable rom chip, ive done that before to unbrick a mobo.

Shame this will rightly mar this release but then all releases have been marred bar the 2060 which performs well for a price.

It could be easily fixed ill wager but were they caught out by the changes from the server sku or blind to it?.

Raven Rampkin · Feb 12, 2019

If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems :clap:

eidairaman1 · Feb 12, 2019

Raven Rampkin said:
If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems

Mine has CSM, Hawaii 1.0

libastral · Feb 12, 2019

dozenfury said:
security feature in the bios

It's not a security feature. It's just a garbage bootloader DRM pushed by MS and Intel.
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#Why_do_I_need_to_disable_Secure_Boot_to_use_UEFINTFS

Shambles1980 · Feb 12, 2019

im sure a few people here could write an app that disables the gpu flashes the bios enables the gpu then restarts the pc.. hell i could probably do it with a batch file.
amd should be able to fix it via software easy enough. its not a big issue to automate within the os but some may prefer to return for a refund and if they do i believe they are entitled to do that.

Hugh Mungus · Feb 12, 2019

But do I have to flash my brand new radeon vii when it arrives saturday? Guys?

sutyi · Feb 12, 2019

qubit said:
I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

You mean like this?
https://www.techpowerup.com/244981/nvidia-has-a-displayport-problem-which-only-a-bios-update-can-fix

laszlo · Feb 12, 2019

could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?

Zubasa · Feb 12, 2019

laszlo said:
could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?

This is a rushed product that is turing into a Dumpster Fire + PR disaster for AMD.

qubit · Feb 12, 2019

sutyi said:
You mean like this?
https://www.techpowerup.com/244981/nvidia-has-a-displayport-problem-which-only-a-bios-update-can-fix

No. That's just a bug, this is fundamental. Don't apologize for AMD, you owe them nothing.

Many others on here have similar comments to mine, lending weight to what I've said.

System Name	Cubed
Processor	R7 1800X
Motherboard	ASRock X370 Gaming Pro
Cooling	Custom 3 radiator loop for CPU and GPUs, D5 pump
Memory	32GB (4 x 8GB) Team 4000MHz @ 3200MHz
Video Card(s)	2 x Vega 64 with single slot full cover blocks
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 512GB NVMe
Display(s)	BenQ BL3200
Case	Corsair Carbide 540
Audio Device(s)	On board
Power Supply	Corsair HX1200i
Mouse	Roccat Leadr
Keyboard	K95 RGB
Software	Windows 10 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores	#1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99 or 2000 or one of those, at one point back in the day. :)

System Name	Quantumville™
Processor	Intel Core i7-2700K at stock (hits 5 gees+ easily)
Motherboard	Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling	Noctua NH-D14
Memory	16GB (4 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s)	Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme Edition
Storage	Samsung 850 Pro 256GB \| WD Green 4TB
Display(s)	BenQ XL2720Z \| Asus VG278HE (both 27", 144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p)
Case	Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s)	Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply	Corsair HX 850W v1
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

System Name	Cubed
Processor	R7 1800X
Motherboard	ASRock X370 Gaming Pro
Cooling	Custom 3 radiator loop for CPU and GPUs, D5 pump
Memory	32GB (4 x 8GB) Team 4000MHz @ 3200MHz
Video Card(s)	2 x Vega 64 with single slot full cover blocks
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 512GB NVMe
Display(s)	BenQ BL3200
Case	Corsair Carbide 540
Audio Device(s)	On board
Power Supply	Corsair HX1200i
Mouse	Roccat Leadr
Keyboard	K95 RGB
Software	Windows 10 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores	#1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99 or 2000 or one of those, at one point back in the day. :)

System Name	Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G3
Processor	i7-4790K \\ i7-6500U
Motherboard	MSI Z97 Gaming 7
Cooling	Noctua DH-15
Memory	Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB 2400 MHz \\ 16GB DDR4-2133
Video Card(s)	ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti\\ Intel 520 HD
Storage	Samsung 850 Pro 512GB, WD Black 2 TB, Samsung 970 Pro 512GB \\ Samsung 256GB SSD
Display(s)	BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station
Case	Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z323
Power Supply	Corsair AX860i
Software	Windows 10

System Name	More hardware than I use :\|
Processor	4.7 8350 - 4.2 4560K - 4.4 4690K
Motherboard	Sabertooth R2.0 - Gigabyte Z87X-UD4H-CF - AsRock Z97M KIller
Cooling	Mugen 2 rev B push/pull - Hyper 212+ push/pull - Hyper 212+
Memory	16GB Gskill - 8GB Gskill - 16GB Ballistix 1.35v
Video Card(s)	Xfire OCed 7950s - Powercolor 290x - Oced Zotac 980Ti AMP! (also have two 7870s)
Storage	Crucial 250GB SSD, Kingston 3K 120GB, Sammy 1TB, various WDs, 13TB (actual capactity) NAS with WDs
Display(s)	X-star 27" 1440 - Auria 27" 1440 - BenQ 24" 1080 - Acer 23" 1080
Case	Lian Li open bench - Fractal Design ARC - Thermaltake Cube (still have HAF 932 and more ARCs)
Audio Device(s)	Titanium HD - Onkyo HT-RC360 Receiver - BIC America custom 5.1 set up (and extra Klipsch sub)
Power Supply	Corsair 850W V2 - EVGA 1000 G2 - Seasonic 500 and 600W units (dead 750W needs RMA lol)
Mouse	Logitech G5 - Sentey Revolution Pro - Sentey Lumenata Pro - multiple wireless logitechs
Keyboard	Logitech G11s - Thermaltake Challenger
Software	I wish I could kill myself instead of using windows (OSX can suck it too).

AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

nemesis.ie

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit

nemesis.ie

Easo

TheGuruStud

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit

TheGuruStud

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

srsbsns

efikkan

theoneandonlymrk

Raven Rampkin

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

libastral

Shambles1980

Hugh Mungus

sutyi

laszlo

Zubasa

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit

System Name	PCGOD
Processor	AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard	Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling	Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory	16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage	Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s)	NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case	AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s)	Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply	Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse	Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard	Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software	Windows 7 Pro 64

System Name	RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor	Amd R7 3800X@4.350/525/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard	Crosshair hero7 @bios 2703/?
Cooling	360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu Monoblock Gpu full cover all EK
Memory	Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in two sticks./16Gb
Video Card(s)	Sapphire refference Rx vega 64 EK waterblocked/Rtx 2060
Storage	Samsung Nvme Pg981, silicon power 1Tb samsung 840 basic as a primocache drive for, WD2Tbgrn +3Tbgrn,
Display(s)	Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync, LG 49" 4K 60hz ,Oculus
Case	Lianli p0-11 dynamic
Audio Device(s)	Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply	corsair 1200Hxi
Mouse	Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard	Roccat Iksu force fx
Software	Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 1700
Motherboard	Asrock AB350 Pro4
Cooling	AMD Wraith Spire RGB
Memory	2x8G Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz CL16 (AES/Rev. E)
Video Card(s)	Powercolor RX580 8G Red Dragon V2
Storage	256G Plextor M8Pe M.2 + 2T Toshiba DT01ACA
Display(s)	Dell S2418H
Case	Fractal Design Focus G (Gunmetal Grey)
Power Supply	Seasonic SSR-550FX
Software	Genuine Win10 Home
Benchmark Scores	75.6ns mem latency in AIDA64

System Name	Sham Pc
Processor	i5-2500k @ 4.33
Motherboard	INTEL DZ77SL 50K
Cooling	2 bay res. "2L of fluid in loop" 1x480 2x360
Memory	16gb 4x4 kingstone 1600 hyper x fury black
Video Card(s)	hfa2 gtx 780 @ 1306/1768 (xspc bloc)
Storage	1tb wd red 120gb kingston on the way os, 1.5Tb wd black, 3tb random WD rebrand
Display(s)	cibox something or other 23" 1080p " 23 inch downstairs. 52 inch plasma downstairs 15" tft kitchen
Case	900D
Audio Device(s)	on board
Power Supply	xion gaming seriese 1000W (non modular) 80+ bronze
Software	windows 10 pro x64

System Name	masina
Processor	Ryzen R5 1600 @ 3.6GHz
Motherboard	GigaByte AB350-Gaming 3
Cooling	Scythe Kabuto 3 + Arctic BioniX P120 fan
Memory	16GB (2x8) DDR4-3000 Corsair Vengeance LPX
Video Card(s)	Sapphire PULSE RX 5600XT OC 6GB
Storage	500GB Crucial MX500, 640GB WD Black
Display(s)	AOC C24G1
Case	Zalman Z9 Neo /Black/
Power Supply	be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W CM
Mouse	Logitech G203
Keyboard	Cooler Master MasterKeys L PBT
Software	Win 10 Pro

System Name	2nd AMD puppy
Processor	FX-8350 vishera
Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
Cooling	Cooler Master Hyper TX2
Memory	16 Gb DDR3:8GB Kingston HyperX Beast + 8Gb G.Skill Sniper(by courtesy of tabascosauz &TPU)
Video Card(s)	Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+;1450/2000 Mhz
Storage	SSD :840 pro 128 Gb;Iridium pro 240Gb ; HDD 2xWD-1Tb
Display(s)	Benq XL2730Z 144 Hz freesync
Case	NZXT 820 PHANTOM
Audio Device(s)	Audigy SE with Logitech Z-5500
Power Supply	Riotoro Enigma G2 850W
Mouse	Razer copperhead / Gamdias zeus (by courtesy of sneekypeet & TPU)
Keyboard	MS Sidewinder x4
Software	win10 64bit ltsc
Benchmark Scores	irrelevant for me

Processor	Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Motherboard	X399 Fatal1ty Professional Gaming
Cooling	Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Memory	Team T-FORCE XCALIBUR RGB 4000 @3400 CL14
Video Card(s)	Zotac RTX 2080 Ti
Storage	Samsung 960 Evo 512GB 3-way Raid 0
Display(s)	Samsung C27HG70
Case	Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s)	EVGA Nu Audio
Power Supply	FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64-bit