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AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

@notb
Sky-diving? Probably not. However, see avatar. ;)
 
notb said:
Everyone's praising AMD for aggressive pricing. Where do you think that comes from? Electricity is cheaper on their side of the road? They get free toilet paper?
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Yeah, but there's no justification for such a balls-up at any level. Maybe they knew that they were releasing it like this for some unfathomable reason?
 
Marketing wanted to release it on the 7th and the 7th of March would have been too far in the future?

That makes as much sense as any other theory, probably. :)
 
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.
 
Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.
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I mean...I bought a $650 card and never use UEFI...and won't for as long as backwards compatibility is supported.
 
Emu said:
Ironically, flashing a GPU BIOS is a lot safer then flashing a motherboard BIOS. If your GPU BIOS flash fails then you can still boot your computer using a second GPU and then attempt the flash again. If your motherboard BIOS flash fails then you are probably up for a RMA on the board...
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You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

qubit said:
Oh FFS, only AMD could score an own goal like this! :shadedshu: I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

This looks like a quality control issue and a real embarrassing humdinger. No wonder I'm sticking with NVIDIA, high prices or not and if I can't afford to upgrade, I stay with my trusty GTX 1080 until I can.

I could keep ranting so I better stop here.
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Dont forget those exploits from last year with blue eyeoval
 
eidairaman1 said:
You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.
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Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.
 
TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots.
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Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.
 
qubit said:
Yeah, but it's more nail biting excitin' innit? :p
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Well you see how many people I help around here.

Even then there's no guarantee that the card will work typically you need a sp I flasher to fix vega and gf 1000 series
 
qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.
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Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work

TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.
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Spi flash.

Vega and gf1000 series go into write lockout
 
eidairaman1 said:
Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work
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Oh no eidy don't, just don't. I can't unsee it now. :laugh:
 
"Restatement: AMD has released a BIOS for the Radeon VII with UEFI GOP included for our AIB partners. We will also make a one click installable BIOS available to end users via AMD.com. We do not expect gaming performance differences between the non UEFI BIOS and the UEFI GOP included BIOS, although the non UEFI BIOS may experience slower boot times from cold boot. "

problem solved even for the most useless of end user.
 
Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.
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It is ridiculous, to launch a product with two fatal flaws; a broken driver and broken firmware. Luckily the driver was quickly fixed, but this sort of stuff shouldn't happen.

But I do in fact understand how this could have happened. And I don't blame the poor developer(s) who had to throw this firmware and driver together in a rush, but whoever decided to launch a product without their normal QA procedure. Problems like this is not uncommon in development, it's in fact very normal, when management makes last minute decisions and thinks the software (firmware and drivers in this case) can be adjusted in an instance. I'm not the only developer who knows how many nasty bugs that can sneak in when merging last-minute features into a code base.
 
qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.
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or at the very least a replaceable rom chip, ive done that before to unbrick a mobo.

Shame this will rightly mar this release but then all releases have been marred bar the 2060 which performs well for a price.

It could be easily fixed ill wager but were they caught out by the changes from the server sku or blind to it?.
 
If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems :clap:
 
Raven Rampkin said:
If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems :clap:
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Mine has CSM, Hawaii 1.0
 
im sure a few people here could write an app that disables the gpu flashes the bios enables the gpu then restarts the pc.. hell i could probably do it with a batch file.
amd should be able to fix it via software easy enough. its not a big issue to automate within the os but some may prefer to return for a refund and if they do i believe they are entitled to do that.
 
But do I have to flash my brand new radeon vii when it arrives saturday? Guys?
 
could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?
 
laszlo said:
could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?
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This is a rushed product that is turing into a Dumpster Fire + PR disaster for AMD.
 
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