AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

nemesis.ie · Feb 11, 2019

@notb
Sky-diving? Probably not. However, see avatar.

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

notb said:
Everyone's praising AMD for aggressive pricing. Where do you think that comes from? Electricity is cheaper on their side of the road? They get free toilet paper?

Yeah, but there's no justification for such a balls-up at any level. Maybe they knew that they were releasing it like this for some unfathomable reason?

nemesis.ie · Feb 11, 2019

Marketing wanted to release it on the 7th and the 7th of March would have been too far in the future?

That makes as much sense as any other theory, probably.

Easo · Feb 11, 2019

Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

TheGuruStud · Feb 11, 2019

Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

I mean...I bought a $650 card and never use UEFI...and won't for as long as backwards compatibility is supported.

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

Emu said:
Ironically, flashing a GPU BIOS is a lot safer then flashing a motherboard BIOS. If your GPU BIOS flash fails then you can still boot your computer using a second GPU and then attempt the flash again. If your motherboard BIOS flash fails then you are probably up for a RMA on the board...

You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

qubit said:
Oh FFS, only AMD could score an own goal like this! I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

This looks like a quality control issue and a real embarrassing humdinger. No wonder I'm sticking with NVIDIA, high prices or not and if I can't afford to upgrade, I stay with my trusty GTX 1080 until I can.

I could keep ranting so I better stop here.

Dont forget those exploits from last year with blue eyeoval

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

Yeah, but it's more ~~nail biting~~ excitin' innit?

TheGuruStud · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
You're incorrect on this subject, card manufacturers do not provide a built-in means of flashing like motherboard makers do.

I'm sorry I'd rather not flash a $700-$1300 video card vs a $100 motherboard.

Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots.

Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Yeah, but it's more ~~nail biting~~ excitin' innit?

Well you see how many people I help around here.

Even then there's no guarantee that the card will work typically you need a sp I flasher to fix vega and gf 1000 series

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work

TheGuruStud said:
Except you have no recourse on fixing a flash on the MB except for hot flashing...which I've had to do, b/c MB manuf are idiots. The Asus MB features should be standard.

Spi flash.

Vega and gf1000 series go into write lockout

qubit · Feb 11, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Because you still get idiots that flash both sides of the BIOS expecting it to work

Oh no eidy don't, just don't. I can't unsee it now. :laugh:

eidairaman1 · Feb 11, 2019

qubit said:
Oh no eidy don't, just don't. I can't unsee it now.

Lolz

srsbsns · Feb 11, 2019

"Restatement: AMD has released a BIOS for the Radeon VII with UEFI GOP included for our AIB partners. We will also make a one click installable BIOS available to end users via AMD.com. We do not expect gaming performance differences between the non UEFI BIOS and the UEFI GOP included BIOS, although the non UEFI BIOS may experience slower boot times from cold boot. "

problem solved even for the most useless of end user.

efikkan · Feb 12, 2019

Easo said:
Almost seems like an early 1st April joke, but then you realise that this is real.

Like HOW can you even manage to do something like this? This is 2019, what is the point of even making the flagship GPU without UEFI only support in the first place? Let's be realistic, people with 700 USD cards are not gonna be the ones running in BIOS.

It is ridiculous, to launch a product with two fatal flaws; a broken driver and broken firmware. Luckily the driver was quickly fixed, but this sort of stuff shouldn't happen.

But I do in fact understand how this could have happened. And I don't blame the poor developer(s) who had to throw this firmware and driver together in a rush, but whoever decided to launch a product without their normal QA procedure. Problems like this is not uncommon in development, it's in fact very normal, when management makes last minute decisions and thinks the software (firmware and drivers in this case) can be adjusted in an instance. I'm not the only developer who knows how many nasty bugs that can sneak in when merging last-minute features into a code base.

theoneandonlymrk · Feb 12, 2019

qubit said:
Why the hell isn't a dual BIOS a standard feature of anything even halfway expensive? Surely it can only add a couple of dollars at the very most.

or at the very least a replaceable rom chip, ive done that before to unbrick a mobo.

Shame this will rightly mar this release but then all releases have been marred bar the 2060 which performs well for a price.

It could be easily fixed ill wager but were they caught out by the changes from the server sku or blind to it?.

Raven Rampkin · Feb 12, 2019

If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems :clap:

eidairaman1 · Feb 12, 2019

Raven Rampkin said:
If I'm not mistaken Radeons may've dropped legacy BIOS or overall older motherboard support a bit earlier than the greenies (weren't there reports of some Hawaiis (already!) not booting on LGA775 etc. unlike the period-correct Nvidias?).

And now UEFI was disabled. It almost came full circle... but we've got an official fix, it seems

Mine has CSM, Hawaii 1.0

libastral · Feb 12, 2019

dozenfury said:
security feature in the bios

It's not a security feature. It's just a garbage bootloader DRM pushed by MS and Intel.
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#Why_do_I_need_to_disable_Secure_Boot_to_use_UEFINTFS

Shambles1980 · Feb 12, 2019

im sure a few people here could write an app that disables the gpu flashes the bios enables the gpu then restarts the pc.. hell i could probably do it with a batch file.
amd should be able to fix it via software easy enough. its not a big issue to automate within the os but some may prefer to return for a refund and if they do i believe they are entitled to do that.

Hugh Mungus · Feb 12, 2019

But do I have to flash my brand new radeon vii when it arrives saturday? Guys?

sutyi · Feb 12, 2019

qubit said:
I mean, how does something so fundamental on a new product even happen?

You mean like this?
https://www.techpowerup.com/244981/nvidia-has-a-displayport-problem-which-only-a-bios-update-can-fix

laszlo · Feb 12, 2019

could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?

Zubasa · Feb 12, 2019

laszlo said:
could this be because vega20 was intended initially for enterprise market and not for general public (gamers) ?

This is a rushed product that is turing into a Dumpster Fire + PR disaster for AMD.

qubit · Feb 12, 2019

sutyi said:
You mean like this?
https://www.techpowerup.com/244981/nvidia-has-a-displayport-problem-which-only-a-bios-update-can-fix

No. That's just a bug, this is fundamental. Don't apologize for AMD, you owe them nothing.

Many others on here have similar comments to mine, lending weight to what I've said.

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