AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[tussinman]

What people seem to forget is these CPU's and this X3D one are there for us already on the AM4 platform and for an easy drop in upgrade not aimed for brand new system builds.

The problem is the 5700/5800 are alot cheaper and perform within 10% of it. In the US for example the 5800x 3d is exactly 1.5x the price of the 5700 (and that's assuming the 5800x3d doesn't get price gouged by scalpers or retailers) but the 5700 is within 5-8% of it in performance in most real world gaming scenarios.

Even the demographic it's targeting are more likely to get the better priced alternatives instead (people that have been sitting on 2018/2019 era Ryzens are way more likely to save the extra money)

So if your going to compare it to some AL CPU you need to compare it to not just the CPU but DDR5 RAM (most likely) CPU, Motherboard and cooling cost compared to just the cost of a 5800X3D and when you then compare the two the price to performance is massively in AMD's favour.

Actually not true. Most benchmarks show DDR4 3600 either equal, within a few percent, or actually faster than DDR5 (that's the whole controversy with DDR5, not worth the cost). If your doing a complete new build then 12700 w/B660 and DDR4 is the best value right now. 12400/12600 isn't a bad temp plan if you have desire to swap out a 13th gen CPU later

 

[gffermari]

The 5800X3D is the only cpu in AM4 platform with 12900KS performance in gaming. It’s miles ahead from any 5000 cpu.
How much did you expect it to cost?

For am4 users, it’s this or sell everything and buy intel.

The price is ok, not good but not bad either.

 

[BHS1975]

At what resolution?

1440p 144hz

 

[Melvis]

For a retail copy of Pro?

Retail copy of Home, Pro is $269

 

[Mussels]

Buy from somewhere else then? I mean you realize that this shop has the 5600x for 340, which means the 5800x 3d will be 700+, so the argument still stands, right? RIGHT?


Was talking about the 12700f, not the KF.


No, that's factually correct. For the price, the results are terrible in everything but gaming. It basically loses to CPUs that cost a fraction, so yeah


I didn't mention the x570. Plus i don't think anyone with a CPU worth upgrading to 3d rocks an x570 or an x570S.

What are you talking about? the 12700f is 320 to 330 euros and the b660 is 150. So yeah, the 3d is stupidly overpriced even for current am4 owners. 450 gets you a fresh new mobo with modern features and upgradability plus a cpu that obliterates the 3d in both single and multithreaded performance

You didnt mention any chipsets, i'm happy to point out that you're moving the goalposts and changing topics instead of actually backing up your comments.
"Intel has better mobos with more features!.... but i didnt name any specific motherboards or features so i dont have to provide any facts to back this up at all!"


You just like intel. You want intel. That's fine.
Shitposting and trolling is not. If this is in fact, you just not understanding why you dislike the AM4 platform? That's also fine... if you back up your claims with hard info. If you can't then you're just lying.



"Go intel because the platform has more upgrades!"

You what? Any intel CPU released is gunna need a new motherboard anyway
It's not like they have a track record of motherboards not working with supposedly compatible CPU's, or just abandoning certain chipsets for funsies or changing the power requirements how how using a 10th gen CPU in an 11th gen board leaves your first M.2 slot unusuable (as well as the usual using NVME disabling SATA ports, PCI-E slots, etc making the boards have far less features than they seem)
(That's four seperate links for three seperate issues, mind you)
What intel let you do is re-use your CPU in a newer motherboard, they rarely let you use a newer CPU in your older motherboard.

Dont make claims and then try and pretend you never made them, because you got caught out making utter bullshit up.

 

[fevgatos]

You didnt mention any chipsets, i'm happy to point out that you're moving the goalposts and changing topics instead of actually backing up your comments.
"Intel has better mobos with more features!.... but i didnt name any specific motherboards or features so i dont have to provide any facts to back this up at all!"


You just like intel. You want intel. That's fine.
Shitposting and trolling is not. If this is in fact, you just not understanding why you dislike the AM4 platform? That's also fine... if you back up your claims with hard info. If you can't then you're just lying.



"Go intel because the platform has more upgrades!"

You what? Any intel CPU released is gunna need a new motherboard anyway
It's not like they have a track record of motherboards not working with supposedly compatible CPU's, or just abandoning certain chipsets for funsies or changing the power requirements how how using a 10th gen CPU in an 11th gen board leaves your first M.2 slot unusuable (as well as the usual using NVME disabling SATA ports, PCI-E slots, etc making the boards have far less features than they seem)
(That's four seperate links for three seperate issues, mind you)
What intel let you do is re-use your CPU in a newer motherboard, they rarely let you use a newer CPU in your older motherboard.

Dont make claims and then try and pretend you never made them, because you got caught out making utter bullshit up.

Do i need to repeat myself? The user I was replying to has a 2700x. You think he is rocking an x570 or an x570s?

I dont know what you are talking about, z170 support kaby, z370 supported coffeelake refresh, z490 supported rocketlake. What track record are you talking about

Ps1. I have a b550 aorus master and a 3700x

 

[Taraquin]

The problem is the 5700/5800 are alot cheaper and perform within 10% of it. In the US for example the 5800x 3d is exactly 1.5x the price of the 5700 (and that's assuming the 5800x3d doesn't get price gouged by scalpers or retailers) but the 5700 is within 5-8% of it in performance in most real world gaming scenarios.

Even the demographic it's targeting are more likely to get the better priced alternatives instead (people that have been sitting on 2018/2019 era Ryzens are way more likely to save the extra money)


Actually not true. Most benchmarks show DDR4 3600 either equal, within a few percent, or actually faster than DDR5 (that's the whole controversy with DDR5, not worth the cost). If your doing a complete new build then 12700 w/B660 and DDR4 is the best value right now. 12400/12600 isn't a bad temp plan if you have desire to swap out a 13th gen CPU later

No, coming from a 12400F+B660 owner, don`t buy locked alder lakes and expect ram to run at 3600. SA-voltage is locked below 1.0v meaning you may not even be able to run 3200 xmp gear 1 (I guy I talked to didn`t get over 2900xmp due to 0.895v SA lock). I was very lucky and can do 3600 gear 1, but many are not so fortunate. 12600KF is a much better deal since you can run ram at 4000-4300 gear 1 since SA-volt is unlocked.

I wish that was true. Its not. 12700f+b660 bazooka+ stock cooler cost the same as the 3d alone. Of course the 3d still loses massively in st and mt performance

But remember that you may not even get your ram to run at 3200xmp in gear 1 since SA-voltage is locked. It depends on luck. 5800x3D would have no issue running 3800 in most cases while you luck decides where you end up with locked alder lake. An unlucky guys I talked to could max run ram at 2900xmp since his MSI B660+12400F ran SA-volt at 0.895v. I was lucky and can do 3600 gear 1 with SA of 0.95V on my 12400F+B660, but most can`t.

I would rather buy a 12600KF+B660 as you can run ram at 4000-4300 gear 1. In games I`m pretty sure that combo will outperform the 12700f easily due to ram speed, in some apps too.

 

[usul1978]

5800x3D would have no issue running 3800 in most cases

Fingers crossed! I have some aggressive RAM settings on my 5600x and fear I won't be able to keep them if I get a 5800x3D.

 

[Melvis]

Buy from somewhere else then? I mean you realize that this shop has the 5600x for 340, which means the 5800x 3d will be 700+, so the argument still stands, right? RIGHT?

From somewhere else? there basically the best and cheapest seller in Aus......and no the 5800X is under $500 and the 5900X is under $600 so it will be priced between those two so it ends up still to be cheaper! right right?

The problem is the 5700/5800 are alot cheaper and perform within 10% of it. In the US for example the 5800x 3d is exactly 1.5x the price of the 5700 (and that's assuming the 5800x3d doesn't get price gouged by scalpers or retailers) but the 5700 is within 5-8% of it in performance in most real world gaming scenarios.

Even the demographic it's targeting are more likely to get the better priced alternatives instead (people that have been sitting on 2018/2019 era Ryzens are way more likely to save the extra money)

It doesnt matter what the price to performance is compared to the 5700/5800 the point is its there as a drop in upgrade for anyone on the AM4 platform which is alot! in the past 4-5yrs. Yes the others might be cheaper bla bla bla but if you want a very faster gaming CPU without upgrading the in tire platform then there it is!

Actually not true. Most benchmarks show DDR4 3600 either equal, within a few percent, or actually faster than DDR5 (that's the whole controversy with DDR5, not worth the cost). If your doing a complete new build then 12700 w/B660 and DDR4 is the best value right now. 12400/12600 isn't a bad temp plan if you have desire to swap out a 13th gen CPU later

Again your missing the point this isnt for new builds, never was, this is for people already rocking a AM4 platform all the way back to the B350/X370 Mobos and up so if anyone wants to compare the two you MUST compare the two with the Intel having a motherboard, possible DDR5 and a cooler if it doesnt come with one and W11 , and then and only then you can compare the two and the 5800X3D wins as pointed out many times before for pure gaming.

And the 12900K is faster then the 12700 right?

 

[btk2k2]

I wish that was true. Its not. 12700f+b660 bazooka+ stock cooler cost the same as the 3d alone. Of course the 3d still loses massively in st and mt performance

Prove it.

In the UK it does not. In the US it does not. Does it at MindFactory or other EU retailers?

As someone else mentioned the 12700F has e-cores so you do really need Win 11 to ensure it does not screw up in the odd game here and there.

Even still 5800X3D + B550 Bazooka is in the region of £530. 12700F + B660 Bazooka is in the region of £460. So for both parts (assuming the user already has DDR4, PSU etc etc) that is a 15% difference in price for 10-15% more performance.

For someone doing a full system build the relative cost is closer to 5% more for the 5800X3D build making it better value than the 12700F build if the user just wants to game / youtube / argue on forums. For productivity the 5900X is cheaper than the 5800X3D and faster than the 12700F but the 12700F does give you a better balance of gaming and productivity performance so would be a good choice too depending on a users individual weighting for their use cases.

The problem is the 5700/5800 are alot cheaper and perform within 10% of it. In the US for example the 5800x 3d is exactly 1.5x the price of the 5700 (and that's assuming the 5800x3d doesn't get price gouged by scalpers or retailers) but the 5700 is within 5-8% of it in performance in most real world gaming scenarios.

Even the demographic it's targeting are more likely to get the better priced alternatives instead (people that have been sitting on 2018/2019 era Ryzens are way more likely to save the extra money)


Actually not true. Most benchmarks show DDR4 3600 either equal, within a few percent, or actually faster than DDR5 (that's the whole controversy with DDR5, not worth the cost). If your doing a complete new build then 12700 w/B660 and DDR4 is the best value right now. 12400/12600 isn't a bad temp plan if you have desire to swap out a 13th gen CPU later

The 5800X3D is 20% ahead of the 5800X on average and in some games it is over 30% faster with a few going into the 40%+ range. If you play CS:GO then maybe don't bother but if you play Anno or Flight Sim or Assetto Corsa or F1 or BF:V or Factorio or Kingdom Come or RE:Village etc then you are seeing some really impressive gains over the 5800X.

 

[The King]

I don't agree with this story about old value build for the 5800X3D.

Here in India where prices are generally high. You can buy a MSi Pro Z690 mobo and a 12600K for less than what the 5800X3D goes for.
I'm sure in the US and UK you could get better deals.

This 5800X3D is for old build does not fly with me. Its over priced and i Fully expect mid range Zen4 CPUs to outperform this CPU when they are released.

So its a fail in my books from AMD even though it does beat the 12900K in gaming and cost less than that CPU.

It would be cheaper for me to buy the Msi Z690 Pro DDR4 mobo and 12600K than buy the 5800X3D for my existing B450 setup.

If i sell my B450 setup I could upgrade to a 12700K or even 12900K. So no value for old AM4 users as far as I am concerned.

 

[Taraquin]

Where I live 5800X3D+B550 Bazooka costs 700usd. 12700f+B660 Bazooka costs 600usd. 5800X3D will be superior in gaming stock and even more due to far better ram overclocking if you fo that. 12700f will be far better for most productivity.

I don't agree with this story about old value build for the 5800X3D.

Here in India where prices are generally high. You can buy a MSi Pro Z690 mobo and a 12600K for less than what the 5800X3D goes for.
I'm sure in the US and UK you could get better deals.

This 5800X3D is for old build does not fly with me. Its over priced and i Fully expect mid range Zen4 CPUs to outperform this CPU when they are released.

So its a fail in my books from AMD even though it does beat the 12900K in gaming and cost less than that CPU.

It would be cheaper for me to buy the Msi Z690 Pro DDR4 mobo and 12600K than buy the 5800X3D for my existing B450 setup.

If i sell my B450 setup I could upgrade to a 12700K or even 12900K. So no value for old AM4 users as far as I am concerned.

It depends where you live. 5800X3D will be faster than 12600K in most games, but if you have a good B450 that is a viable option since you most likely need new cooler for Z690 (some can ship/sell brackets though). Z690+12600K+50usd+cooler makes 5800X3D a bit more interesting, what you can sell you current mobo/cpu for also matters.

Personally I would buy Z690+12600KF for new setup, but 5800X3D can be interesting for upgrade.

 

[BHS1975]

Anyone know what time the 3D releases?

 

[gffermari]

Tomorrow is the release date.

 

[The King]

Where I live 5800X3D+B550 Bazooka costs 700usd. 12700f+B660 Bazooka costs 600usd. 5800X3D will be superior in gaming stock and even more due to far better ram overclocking if you fo that. 12700f will be far better for most productivity.


It depends where you live. 5800X3D will be faster than 12600K in most games, but if you have a good B450 that is a viable option since you most likely need new cooler for Z690 (some can ship/sell brackets though). Z690+12600K+50usd+cooler makes 5800X3D a bit more interesting, what you can sell you current mobo/cpu for also matters.

Personally I would buy Z690+12600KF for new setup, but 5800X3D can be interesting for upgrade.

While its true the 5800X3D will be faster than the 12600K the 12600K still has 93.6% the gaming performance at 720p and 95.6% at 1080p. Most people will not notice this difference in games.
People running older setups hardly pushing 1440p 144Hz but at the level the 12600K is still 96.4% gaming performance when compared the 5800X3D.

12600K Rs-24780 (330USD)
MSi Z690 Pro Rs-17795 (237USD)
Total Rs-42575 (567USD)

5800X3D - Rs-44250 (590USD)

Also the 5900X is cheaper and has 20% better CPU raw performance and not that far off the 12600K in gaming performance.

Here the price of the 12600KF Rs-23999 (320USD)

Im actually learning towards no upgrade even to ADL and rather go for Zen4. I think this is the best option for me.

 

[Chomiq]

Anyone know what time the 3D releases?

4:20, 3PM GMT+1.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

While its true the 5800X3D will be faster than the 12600K the 12600K still has 93.6% the gaming performance at 720p and 95.6% at 1080p. Most people will not notice this difference in games.
People running older setups hardly pushing 1440p 144Hz but at the level the 12600K is still 96.4% gaming performance when compared the 5800X3D.

12600K Rs-24780 (330USD)
MSi Z690 Pro Rs-17795 (237USD)
Total Rs-42575 (567USD)

5800X3D - Rs-44250 (590USD)

Also the 5900X is cheaper and has 20% better CPU raw performance and not that far off the 12600K in gaming performance.

Here the price of the 12600KF Rs-23999 (320USD)

Im actually learning towards no upgrade even to ADL and rather go for Zen4. I think this is the best option for me.

Since i already have a fine 12700k.Z690 X3D is kind of moot for me. Though I am interested to see what AM4 turns out like. If it is a whoppa I might be persuaded to jump back to AMD.

 

[Totally]

Not just for you, but to everyone else:

Launch prices are always weird. The new products are in demand and priced higher than the older discounted products - give it 6 months and they'll make more sense.
Early adopter tax.

That's under the assumption that AMD plans to produce the X3D in quantities that meet demand. We know for the this merely a test run for them and preview for them before they apply it to zen 4 which should be out 6 months from now.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

That's under the assumption that AMD plans to produce the X3D in quantities that meet demand. We know for the this merely a test run for them and preview for them before they apply it to zen 4 which should be out 6 months from now.

It looks like this was positioned as a niche product - only worth it if you have a decent compatible motherboard and an older/low-end CPU. Not worth it for new builds. If that is how AMD was thinking when setting production and pricing, which seems reasonably likely, then I would expect production volume to be comparatively low.

While we are here, I built a system using a B550 and a Ryzen 5 3600. 5800X3D vs 12600K + B660 and near parity on features is equivalent in price. I would go the upgrade route myself.

 

[Totally]

It looks like this was positioned as a niche product - only worth it if you have a decent compatible motherboard and an older/low-end CPU. Not worth it for new builds. If that is how AMD was thinking when setting production and pricing, which seems reasonably likely, then I would expect production volume to be comparatively low.

While we are here, I built a system using a B550 and a Ryzen 5 3600. 5800X3D vs 12600K + B660 and near parity on features is equivalent in price. I would go the upgrade route myself.

What would be the reason you'd pass over the 5600X‽ 90% the performance, 50% cost vs x3d in this scenario?

 

[tussinman]

It doesnt matter what the price to performance is compared to the 5700/5800 the point is its there as a drop in upgrade for anyone on the AM4 platform which is alot! in the past 4-5yrs. Yes the others might be cheaper bla bla bla but if you want a very faster gaming CPU without upgrading the in tire platform then there it is!

No what I said was valid, especially since where talking about a more casual buying group

My point was i'm not buying this whole "oh this product is for 2018/2019 era ryzen owners who are money conscious, they'll drop $450+ like it's nothing" narrative that's getting thrown around.

It's way more logical that they either get most of the performance for alot less money (5700X) or if they haven't upgraded to Ryzen 5000 series even though it's 1.5 years old at this point then there likely to just wait for Zen 4

Again your missing the point this isnt for new builds, never was, this is for people already rocking a AM4 platform all the way back to the B350/X370 Mobos

This whole thread started with people mocking the 12900 and how the 58003d is better for a new build. Then the moment the 12700k got thrown into the mix (almost half the price as the 12900 and $100 cheaper than the 5800X3d but is 97% as good as both) then the narrative magically became "oh no this chip is for those long term ryzen owners that haven't upgraded in years".

This is an enthuasist product. I'm not buying this baloney of people trying to play both sides (basically stating this chip is enthuasist price/performance but is being target to a more casual/mainstream buyer)

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Oc'd to 5.1ghz on an X570 board

 

[fevgatos]

No what I said was valid, especially since where talking about a more casual buying group

My point was i'm not buying this whole "oh this product is for 2018/2019 era ryzen owners who are money conscious, they'll drop $450+ like it's nothing" narrative that's getting thrown around.

It's way more logical that they either get most of the performance for alot less money (5700X) or if they haven't upgraded to Ryzen 5000 series even though it's 1.5 years old at this point then there likely to just wait for Zen 4

This whole thread started with people mocking the 12900 and how the 58003d is better for a new build. Then the moment the 12700k got thrown into the mix (almost half the price as the 12900 and $100 cheaper than the 5800X3d but is 97% as good as both) then the narrative magically became "oh no this chip is for those long term ryzen owners that haven't upgraded in years".

This is an enthuasist product. I'm not buying this baloney of people trying to play both sides (basically stating this chip is enthuasist price/performance but is being target to a more casual/mainstream buyer)

Of course its nonsense. No one stuck with a 5 year old cpu and mobo would be interested in a 450 euro cpu. Which, btw, in order to even make a difference from a 200 euro cpu needs a 1.5k graphics card... Its an enthusiast product an a ridiculous price, at 250 to 280 euros it would be pretty good

Just for clarification, if Intel released a product with exaxtly similar performance with the 3d,it would cost below 300. Its basically a locked with no igpu 12700, without ecores (so low multithread performance), low single turbo (so low single thread performance) but because the ecores are off the cache boosts to 4.6 and it manages 5% better at gaming. That cpu would cost less than a 12700f, which goes around for 320 euros. So yeah..

Prove it.

In the UK it does not. In the US it does not. Does it at MindFactory or other EU retailers?

As someone else mentioned the 12700F has e-cores so you do really need Win 11 to ensure it does not screw up in the odd game here and there.

Even still 5800X3D + B550 Bazooka is in the region of £530. 12700F + B660 Bazooka is in the region of £460. So for both parts (assuming the user already has DDR4, PSU etc etc) that is a 15% difference in price for 10-15% more performance.

For someone doing a full system build the relative cost is closer to 5% more for the 5800X3D build making it better value than the 12700F build if the user just wants to game / youtube / argue on forums. For productivity the 5900X is cheaper than the 5800X3D and faster than the 12700F but the 12700F does give you a better balance of gaming and productivity performance so would be a good choice too depending on a users individual weighting for their use cases.



The 5800X3D is 20% ahead of the 5800X on average and in some games it is over 30% faster with a few going into the 40%+ range. If you play CS:GO then maybe don't bother but if you play Anno or Flight Sim or Assetto Corsa or F1 or BF:V or Factorio or Kingdom Come or RE:Village etc then you are seeing some really impressive gains over the 5800X.

Instead of asking me to prove it, you could check yourself? Yes around eu (checked lots of places) it goes between 316 and 340 euros. Funnily enough after the 3d benchmark leaks it started rising in price, LOL. People realised how much better value the 12700f is and bought it like crazy.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Oc'd to 5.1ghz on an X570 board

It's worth noting that this was achieved with a single 8GB stick of RAM running at 1205MHz, proving that this isn't an overclock you'd want to use on a daily basis.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

What would be the reason you'd pass over the 5600X‽ 90% the performance, 50% cost vs x3d in this scenario?

Already have one in another system, which would be used for non-gaming stuff. I wasn't saying that I was planning on it, just pointing out that if I have a board and wanted ultimate gaming performance only it made more sense to go with the X3D than an Intel product.

Many people were hit by a shortage of Ryzen CPU's when Intel had nothing to compare (the whole reason I bought a 3600). I can see lots of people upgrading from whatever they could get their hands on to one of these if they are strictly gamers.